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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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I a have a theory a guys, listen up.

I am a thinking a Panda had little time on D1 and misread the Mafia post, thinking his role is Mafia Pirate instead of Marms (the avatars are both Panda bears), but perhaps his original role was Mafia Detective and they learned Shad's role, so he struggled with targets on day 2 as they didn't make sense anymore. Probably Gry bestowed his stronman on the weakest role M.Det. :hmm
 

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I used his power to target nat btw, right now our most valued player
90% he knows the role so can't be mentor.
We need to look for mentor today.
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I targeted shad bc he was being cantankerous with me, so I wanted to take his role. It's true I initially targeted hyung bc I thought he was suspect, and then thought about lambu bc he's legit, but yeah went with shad to take his shit
I don't buy this, Panda did this exact move in a previous game and knows the value of pirate used as detective.

He would never state a different target than his actual target, that the whole point of the move.
 

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Mafias killing the psy just to mark me even more, ugh! >.<

Either Marm got killed by her own action, meaning she targeted a third party or she got killed which however makes no sense since Marm wasn't all that high on the trust score plus we had so many reveals that you would expect a Mentor-Mentee to do better than that. It also means one of our role reveals is either lying about being their current role or the Mentor already stole the role of his Mentee and tries to appear as such.

Question is to who Asako send her doc role to me. Clearly not me, guys, lol.

Also @MadNat what is your result from night 2? And like why didn't mafia bother killing you with strongman? Or even a regular kill considering Asako's doc role was "out" for this night phase. Killing a psy over a det makes like noooooooo sense.
Only explanation I got for this is that Mafia does not have Strongman anymore, meaning Gry considered his role the weakest and let it die also meaning all other Mafias got roles "better" than Strongman. It could also mean they feared a BG guard on Madnat.

I think this could also mean they got no mafia Det, which makes sense considering the nature of this game where they are supposed to guess their kill targets roles.
 

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Im not the blocker, else Id have targeted you evil (or maybe holt or brando). your passive claim right now means you're chilling like a villain without ever having to progress the game state. Literally the only other passive is James, who is lover

Time for everyone else to claim as well now. Especially the blues have been on the dl
Intersting that while bearly following the thread and discussion at all you're well away about my role claims and all, probably coming up a lot in your night discussion isn't that right. Just sitting there wondering if you should or should not use the strongman there, mmhh what a dilemma, innit. Just how to throw shade on him and lynch him hmm? Decisions, decisions.

But anyways, yesterday you had a whole lot of people you didn't have an opinion one. Marms was among them. Any new learning on the rest, buddy?
 

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I a have a theory a guys, listen up.

I am a thinking a Panda had little time on D1 and misread the Mafia post, thinking his role is Mafia Pirate instead of Marms (the avatars are both Panda bears), but perhaps his original role was Mafia Detective and they learned Shad's role, so he struggled with targets on day 2 as they didn't make sense anymore. Probably Gry bestowed his stronman on the weakest role M.Det. :hmm
They don't need a mafia detective for this to work, all he needs is to claim the role marm stole.

Since they didn't agree on a code yesterday he had to play the busy card and join until the last minute.

So that he doesn't get asked about the role, into he goes to the dead pad.
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Mafia pad*
 

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vote kill james - traitor
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Also I investigated asako and got no pm back.
 

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Mafia really killed Baka? Makes me wonder about the composition of the team. Literally can’t see any solid advantage for killing Baka. That gives more credit to James. If he were traitor that got recruited, they would have no issues with the check since he would be clean. If he were lover, his mafia partner would’ve have had to push quite hard to force the kill on Sakura. Actually the mafia lover would’ve been in a tight spot regardless. Sakura finding James still has a secondary will spell doom. Sakura dying could implicate James. Anyway this is quite an obvious ploy. I think we can safely turn from James for now. Just thinking out loud for the benefit of others because my stance on this is irrespective of Sakura’s death.

2 deaths tonight confirm the presence of a TP, however Marms death is confusing me quite a bit. If there’s a killing TP, we should have 3 deaths. She flipped M.Pirate and the normal conclusion is that she died on a theft attempt. She was also sus, and likely would’ve been a top lynch candidate so it makes no sense for tp to go after her. But if she died on targeting tp, then where is the second kill (either from mafia or tp)? I have to assume Sakura’s kill is from mafia, as I don’t see the reason for a TP to intervene. They have nothing to gain or lose from killing her? I mean the kill is weird from a Mafia pov too but that fits more.

If Marm died trying to steal, she would’ve had to be going for a trusted role. At this time, I don’t see a better target for her than Nat. Obviously Nat is one of the more trusted town, and sole claim det for now so there’s should be no looking there for now, but this is definitely something to keep in mind.
 

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Guys don't think much about MadNat not dying.

- she didn't check her sanity
- mafia would never kill a new player early game
- new players are better left to target randomly
- she claimed after N1, could be playing the new player card by claiming det, to either force the real det to counter claim or get an easy game.

Either way, if the doc was still alive, they would have wasted their action targeting MadNat.
 

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Also @MadNat what is your result from night 2? And like why didn't mafia bother killing you with strongman? Or even a regular kill considering Asako's doc role was "out" for this night phase. Killing a psy over a det makes like noooooooo sense.
Only explanation I got for this is that Mafia does not have Strongman anymore, meaning Gry considered his role the weakest and let it die also meaning all other Mafias got roles "better" than Strongman. It could also mean they feared a BG guard on Madnat.
I don't know why mafia let me live but not our psy... plus maybe i am paranoid and useless and they know it already^^...
my results from N2: again nothing, my action didn't work i guess...got no answer by my check on Evil :s

so probably i am dead after N3 now
 

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Either Marm got killed by her own action, meaning she targeted a third party or she got killed which however makes no sense since Marm wasn't all that high on the trust score plus we had so many reveals that you would expect a Mentor-Mentee to do better than that. It also means one of our role reveals is either lying about being their current role or the Mentor already stole the role of his Mentee and tries to appear as such.
yea that’s what I was thinking. What about a Santa sending out presents and gave one to marma? And having hidden presents like
Blocks and protections too?
 

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I’m also thinking there is a shapeshifter in play. With Psych in play, and no apparent secondaries besides the temp doc role, it will explain the missing kills better? Not sure how many actives are in the game, but I mean there would have been just one illusion from N1, and now 2 going into D3. Still low odds to shatter one so it shouldn’t be surprising. Mentor/Mentee is equally viable. There’s still the missing N1 mafia kill but perhaps there was some obstruction of sorts
 

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vote kill james - traitor
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Also I investigated asako and got no pm back.
Oh yeah my guess james is traiotr @Erinyes too
thats a secondary role? It doesn’t have any power. Can it even be passed with the game mechanic?Shouldnt you have to guess main role?

This question might have been answered already. I don’t remember.

Plus shouldn’t he have been recruited by now. So normal mafia member?
 

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Yeah, can we just dismiss the "Temp Doc" talk, it is clearly a fake. Asako was main role Doc and Shad/Panda/Marm trio is a second Doc. Plus Asako circulated her role back to the living too. No way that clumsy claim by ex-Traitor or Lover is true.

Marm dying on non killing TP steal attempted would mean that either the Mafia Lover set her up on the Town lover, but it's kinda risky because team then knows the Town lover, they hit the Threesome by mistake, or there indeed is a Shapeguy.

The fact that nobody scattered yet might be pure coincidence but for what we know some actives might be fake too or graveyard related. What Holt said about Psy+Shapeguy sounds reasonable to me too.

Never heard that role called weak before

I mean it is always in relations to what is else in the team.
 

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Guys don't think much about MadNat not dying.

- she didn't check her sanity
- mafia would never kill a new player early game
- new players are better left to target randomly
- she claimed after N1, could be playing the new player card by claiming det, to either force the real det to counter claim or get an easy game.

Either way, if the doc was still alive, they would have wasted their action targeting MadNat.
is this in response to me? Not sure but I’m not surprised she is alive or without results. It’s to be expected. They’d just need to stick the escort on her after all. However, I’m concerned about Marm’s death. If she died trying to steal,I really can’t see who else she’d target than Nat. That would be a rather good way to permanently disable. Like I said, this is not the time to pursue that line of thought, but it needs to be out here, Incase we get some clarity later on in the game.


I don't know why mafia let me live but not our psy... plus maybe i am paranoid and useless and they know it already^^...
my results from N2: again nothing, my action didn't work i guess...got no answer by my check on Evil :s

so probably i am dead after N3 now
They have more ways to deal with you (blocking) and it was definitely too risky to attempt a kill on you when you likely had protection. They also wouldn’t know your sanity since you just have one result.

killing Sak seems like an obvious ploy to frame James. She was also one of the more trusted towns due to her role and finding James. More chaos is beneficial to Mafia since they can frame or manipulate lynches easier
 
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