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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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The way jinx reacted to Holt is very believable, I think Holt was hoping she would just stay silent, but being betrayed by your lover, she gave them the middle finger in a polite way.

Holt M.Det
Panda Escort
James or evil traitor

@Brandish μ reveal after GB
GB just gave 3 targets not sure what that is about

Also @Evil3ye what if you are the traitor, what then?
Do you want to clear that up or we just go with you and hope for the best?
 

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I need to clarify, from your perspective, Jinx is the day's lynch right? (Assuming she doesn't give an explanation nobody could think of).

Even tho we have a lynch we should still reveal the game?
I would be fine with lynching Jinx for sure, but I do not mind GB as well. I'm not sure what explanation can be given to justify her- the only thing here for me is lynched priority. Brand is also on this list for me but to a lesser degree.

@Holt why didn't you consider that Sam will lose his role, the way you requested confirmation, it didn't sound like you considered that option.
I considered it, but I was also showing that I have no qualms about him checking me. Also, I noticed he gave a list of potential targets for me, I intentionally picked the most suspicious person outside that list as further proof in the event that he did check me. That way it wouldn't seem like I guessed or I have a cover for anything weird.

I did not get a result for my target last night :(

With Holt's result on Jinx, it looks like the scum remaining are James, Panda, GB, and then Jinx potentially a traitor? 🤔



We have multiple lynch candidates given behaviour, voting pattern and results across the last few days and I'm in favour of everyone revealing. Then we can figure out the order for which scum is lynched first.
Hmm, there's something going on here. I think it would've been pretty obvious to scum that you would check me or Nat at most. I don't think they had any reason to block you assuming they consider Nat to be a genuine detective. He would've been dangerous last night since his target was pretty much unknown. Nat is claiming to be blocked again, but this is really beginning to rub me off the wrong way, especially since Gry didn't even pass his strongman. Also, Nat didn't immediately say he got no result. He had to be asked. I get we've been more or less giving him newbie pass so far but we need to consider this a bit more tbh
 

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Marmalade, sirsam, evil3ye
Did you block these?
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@Holt they can't be 2 Psy Vs 1 set of lovers, especially since roles keep coming back.

And except for the temp role, there is nothing wierd in this setup, you are basically the wierd one.

If evil didn't remind us that M.Det sees secondaries, we would be still confused.

Just admit it!
 

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@Brandish μ reveal after GB
GB just gave 3 targets not sure what that is about
Idk if the order matters.

He's talking about night matters surely. And is telling fibs surely.
 

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You are also going against MadNat, in a normal game that a good play, but new players are under my protection, I don't play mafia game, if you don't kill them we won't.
 

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What do you mean I am under attack?
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Never mind I see it
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Can you people really not tell what I am??? Apparently holt is the only one that gets it
Oh..I expected more resistance from you but you gave in rather easily. I suppose I'm grateful you saved us the headache. I didn't want to mention earlier but I asked the hosts and if Kat handed a temp role, that could've explained the secondary. Though ofc I would call bs on it but I'm atleast glad we don't have to waste time on that.


The way jinx reacted to Holt is very believable, I think Holt was hoping she would just stay silent, but being betrayed by your lover, she gave them the middle finger in a polite way.

Holt M.Det
Panda Escort
James or evil traitor

@Brandish μ reveal after GB
GB just gave 3 targets not sure what that is about

Also @Evil3ye what if you are the traitor, what then?
Do you want to clear that up or we just go with you and hope for the best?
I promise I am not M.Det. I don't know about Evil's affiliation, but I know he does not have a secondary. I checked him N1 before anything could've happened, so he is the most trustworthy non-lover if you believe my results. I also don't know about James 100% but I know he isn't the lover at least. The temp role thing remains over his head permanently, but to be scum, he would need to be a recruited traitor (which is still very viable). I wasn't hoping Jinx would stay silent, I was curious to see what defense she would offer, but it seems she didn't feel the need to try.

I will opt for a GB or Brandish lynch at this point. I am even slightly leaning more towards Brandish because it is ridiculous how he is flaunting his stubborness this long. Asako was lynched for similiar reasons.
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@Holt they can't be 2 Psy Vs 1 set of lovers, especially since roles keep coming back.

And except for the temp role, there is nothing wierd in this setup, you are basically the wierd one.

If evil didn't remind us that M.Det sees secondaries, we would be still confused.

Just admit it!
I do not deny the weirdness, however from my pov there is absolutely nothing weird, it just means there's a puzzle piece yet to be solved. We had a Santa, and I'm pretty sure Santa can give temp roles out. We have Jinx claiming TSC, including the lovers in this mix and whatever weird thing James was, we are still looking at a decent bit of secondaries. Anyway, I'm not trying to defend 2 pyschs in the game. I already know that is the case because I'm one. I'm just trying to figure out what role we were supposed to play in all these

Also, I forgot to answer earlier but I still absolutely believe we should reveal. At this point it doesn't even really matter if Mafia are canceling out roles. We are letting way too many coast by every day we linger without reveals. Even Lambu saying he received strongman and letting us know his original role could've provided some more clarity on the setup of the game
 

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Its not a block no but the order is correct
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You are also going against MadNat, in a normal game that a good play, but new players are under my protection, I don't play mafia game, if you don't kill them we won't.
Where was this protection yesterday tho
 

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Its not a block no but the order is correct
THen what is it?

@Evil3ye @Brandish μ why are you stalling reveals as well? Evil especially. Don't think you won't be pressured to reveal because Lambu isn't here anymore. You already promised to reveal, let's have it
 

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Also @Evil3ye what if you are the traitor, what then?
Do you want to clear that up or we just go with you and hope for the best?
The me the traitor? I never betray the familia, cazzo, do you know what they do here in Sicilia with a tractor? You don't want.

But if you don't want trust only words, trust action. What kind of tractor gives as Day 1 hints "the passive, good roll" if he wants the recruitment. I would say I am vanilla ice or I am the best action role ever so please kill me.

Second, I kill the Gry. OK; I can do this to see if I am the sane. But I think the James has done this and he said the active. Because the James then was quick to say he has a temp role instead deny, because he got the recruited and has no more second role. It makes sense! To find the mafia we need check the James post day 1 best. Maybe he listed them all to get recruited asap.

Third, I am have to be associated with the Holt now, because he is vouche I have not a role in Night 1. But I don't trust in the holt myself so much so take this with a grain of salt. But he is give us the Jinx Threesome. But if he is the M.Det then he maybe in the Panda team who gave your role to the Panda.
 

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Its not a block no but the order is correct
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Where was this protection yesterday tho
Not the one that get caught those are fair play xD

MadNat is the perfect new player, everything she did this game was perfect.

If she is faking, I will want her to win the game and would give her the medal for best mafia and best new player and best actress.

Pardon my randomness I've decided to actually not sleep today, they are at least 4 scums left, if I go to sleep they will talk no sense and would get away with lynching an obvious town.

Reveal GB please, what your role?
 

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Evil especially. Don't think you won't be pressured to reveal because Lambu isn't here anymore. You already promised to reveal, let's have it

Well, things have changed. Mangi, eat it. I am going to be non claimer today and I have my reason. The other need to the claim, and I will check if that contradicts mine and say so,if.
 

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I will opt for a GB or Brandish lynch at this point. I am even slightly leaning more towards Brandish because it is ridiculous how he is flaunting his stubborness this long. Asako was lynched for similiar reasons.
I will offer something later that may help your assessment. Would value some patience. We need to see what digital and Panda come up with for example.
 

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Not the one that get caught those are fair play xD

MadNat is the perfect new player, everything she did this game was perfect.

If she is faking, I will want her to win the game and would give her the medal for best mafia and best new player and best actress.

Pardon my randomness I've decided to actually not sleep today, they are at least 4 scums left, if I go to sleep they will talk no sense and would get away with lynching an obvious town.

Reveal GB please, what your role?
Tbh Nat hasn't done anything spectacular beside..well...nothing. they've been met with no opposition, and pretty much gotten a pat on the back for everything. I get the no bullying newbies but I think the pass they've gotten is a too much. At this point they could literally win by doing nothing because we have asked nothing of them
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Well, things have changed. Mangi, eat it. I am going to be non claimer today and I have my reason. The other need to the claim, and I will check if that contradicts mine and say so,if.
Your reasons are quite pointless here, unless you elaborate on them. You seem to think you have some sort of leverage but I honestly cannot fathom where you are getting this confidence from. Your backings are a supportive Gry lynch (which James even played a bigger role in) and my result that you have no secondary. Let's even keep aside the fact that I am under suspicion as well (and my results by extension), but I have only ascertained you do not have a secondary, that says absolutely nothing about your affiliation. I will have absolutely no qualms putting you up for lynch if you maintain this position. Sole claimed passive that is completely redundant given everything so far
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I will offer something later that may help your assessment. Would value some patience. We need to see what digital and Panda come up with for example.
D4 is a lot of patience for someone to give absolutely nothing. Fine, DD and Panda will show up, and if you lot start playing "you first" game, well..

I really do not care for the suspicions on me, but do believe none of you will be going without providing information today
 

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Tbh Nat hasn't done anything spectacular beside..well...nothing. they've been met with no opposition, and pretty much gotten a pat on the back for everything. I get the no bullying newbies but I think the pass they've gotten is a too much. At this point they could literally win by doing nothing because we have asked nothing of them

I see also as sus. But wouldn't mafia advise her to say her role got overwritten instead of say the block? because the block she has to keep justify after every night again and again. Perhaps weould also advise to way till day 3 to say the detective but maybe dont want "confirm" anyone. But it's easier for sure to say they killed her role of.

Definitely the double block on Sam and Nat makes me wonder. But that could mean a santa gift perhaps was a temp bock. That would implicate the panda now, because the james you said is have no role on N2? Unless of course they could have ruled it like : oh well James Temp Escort is prio 1 and check is prio 2 so at prio 2 he no more has the temp, hmm....

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Wait, that's night 2 though, never mind, makes no sense with James what I said. So then the Panda is the sus.
 

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Tbh Nat hasn't done anything spectacular beside..well...nothing. they've been met with no opposition, and pretty much gotten a pat on the back for everything. I get the no bullying newbies but I think the pass they've gotten is a too much. At this point they could literally win by doing nothing because we have asked nothing of them
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Your reasons are quite pointless here, unless you elaborate on them. You seem to think you have some sort of leverage but I honestly cannot fathom where you are getting this confidence from. Your backings are a supportive Gry lynch (which James even played a bigger role in) and my result that you have no secondary. Let's even keep aside the fact that I am under suspicion as well (and my results by extension), but I have only ascertained you do not have a secondary, that says absolutely nothing about your affiliation. I will have absolutely no qualms putting you up for lynch if you maintain this position. Sole claimed passive that is completely redundant given everything so far
No that not what I mean, I'm not giving her a pass for being a new player, I'm telling you, she is town.

I've also explained how mafia operates in regards to new players and their over used strategy to use them as lynch targets.

How about you actually say something that shows she is mafia? Like her uncontested detective claim?

Blocking her or stealing her role won't make her more suspect that a second Psy finding the TC.
 

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Evil being a traitor makes sense with his change of narrative on d2 to kill town doctor and get rid off 3rd party fool me once ka. Votekill evil
 

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Your reasons are quite pointless here, unless you elaborate on them. You seem to think you have some sort of leverage but I honestly cannot fathom where you are getting this confidence from. Your backings are a supportive Gry lynch (which James even played a bigger role in) and my result that you have no secondary. Let's even keep aside the fact that I am under suspicion as well (and my results by extension), but I have only ascertained you do not have a secondary, that says absolutely nothing about your affiliation. I will have absolutely no qualms putting you up for lynch if you maintain this position. Sole claimed passive that is completely redundant given everything so far
Jesus, the christ, i gave so much hints, it cannot be more than obvious anymore. And what are you saying, I kill the poor Gry out of spite how he done us last game? This is such bad play, what are you taking me for the Holt.

If the GB who says targetted me now will say some bullshit I will call it out and say the role, otherwise what do you want me to give him a perfect opportunity to fabricate his so called "result" or what is? Are you with the GB team?

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Evil being a traitor makes sense with his change of narrative on d2 to kill town doctor and get rid off 3rd party fool me once ka. Votekill evil
Ha-ha, buddy. Cute, but no.
 

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I see also as sus. But wouldn't mafia advise her to say her role got overwritten instead of say the block? because the block she has to keep justify after every night again and again. Perhaps weould also advise to way till day 3 to say the detective but maybe dont want "confirm" anyone. But it's easier for sure to say they killed her role of.

Definitely the double block on Sam and Nat makes me wonder. But that could mean a santa gift perhaps was a temp bock. That would implicate the panda now, because the james you said is have no role on N2? Unless of course they could have ruled it like : oh well James Temp Escort is prio 1 and check is prio 2 so at prio 2 he no more has the temp, hmm....

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Wait, that's night 2 though, never mind, makes no sense with James what I said. So then the Panda is the sus.
At this point it doesn't matter what Nat is doing, because Town is acting braindead when it comes to them. Doesn't help that Shad is heavily backing them, and Shad is probably most trusted town, however, I will not stay on the sidelines and keep ignoring weird things happening around Nat.

As for mafia advice, well they can clearly see town is paying no attention to Nat. Also, claiming to be overridden would be very suspicious for now. Lambu already got Gry's and if Nat was faking Det and truly mafia, then marm's pirate would've been used to disable someone else (who would then contest Nat). Obviously Town wouldn't override a detective so it will be very suspicious for Nat to claim that.


No that not what I mean, I'm not giving her a pass for being a new player, I'm telling you, she is town.

I've also explained how mafia operates in regards to new players and their over used strategy to use them as lynch targets.

How about you actually say something that shows she is mafia? Like her uncontested detective claim?

Blocking her or stealing her role won't make her more suspect that a second Psy finding the TC.
Do you have any particular reason for her being town though? besides newbie fever? I mean even yesterday when I mentioned Marm potentially dying on pirate attemtp and the highest target being Nat, it didn't really go anywhere. Granted I did say it was just something to keep in mind, and we did get Kat through Sam thankfully but I was indeed on the right path.

I don't think mafia overuses newbies as lynch targets, but no need to go back or forth.

As for blocking or stealing her- tbh I'm stil not sure what confidence Marm (and mafia by extension) had in going for Kat and not Nat. Unless even they didn't trust Nat's claim. It is really weird, and a constant block strategy on a sole claimed det is risky, because where would mafia be if we happened to get the escort?

As for second psy jab- I hear you, but it is what it is. I've done my bit with regards to my role, and will continue to do so regardless of opposition
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Jesus, the christ, i gave so much hints, it cannot be more than obvious anymore. And what are you saying, I kill the poor Gry out of spite how he done us last game? This is such bad play, what are you taking me for the Holt.

If the GB who says targetted me now will say some bullshit I will call it out and say the role, otherwise what do you want me to give him a perfect opportunity to fabricate his so called "result" or what is? Are you with the GB team?
Your hints are insufficient. You are passive (alone) and we have numerous more important roles in the end. I didn't say you killed Gry out of spite, I said you role in Gry's lynch was to a lesser degree than Shad or James, so don't think that gives you coverage.

On the second paragraph, finally, something I can agree on. I want to know the if to reveal what you are, not the "I won't do it". Just letting you know everyone will claim today. I'm not with GB ofc. I already listed him as my prio lynch, then Brand/Jinx. However, I will not ignore everything else especially pointless stubborness with reveals
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@SirSamuel016 also I forgot if you said, but what was your N1 result?
 

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Do you have any particular reason for her being town though? besides newbie fever? I mean even yesterday when I mentioned Marm potentially dying on pirate attemtp and the highest target being Nat, it didn't really go anywhere. Granted I did say it was just something to keep in mind, and we did get Kat through Sam thankfully but I was indeed on the right path.
Certo, I agree and that's what I meant with the no info around the role changes might be due to third party influence, i.a. it went to town lovers etc and they need to align first at the night and decide to use the shiete in their own interest without notifying town at all.
 

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@Holt you don't give up easy, that very commendable.

Why didn't she claim receiving M.Pirate?
If you were not the second pay, would you bet your money on the sole detective claim or the second pay in a game with 1 traitor and 1 lover set?

Sorry I'm not running at 100% so I'm not able to list all the reasons I trust MadNat, I will list you more reasons soon after getting a coffee.

But meanwhile what do you actually have against her?
 
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