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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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Oh mamma mia, so the two Spy claims say they are both sane and had same targets twice and had a lol N1. :lmao
 

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Maybe Marm didn't pass it at all?
Gry didn't pass his, so we can assume they are no mafia members and escort is too valuable, rookie could also be valuable but I don't see marm not following Gry in deleting a town role, like spy.

But even if marm didn't transfer it, it doesn't stop a mafia from claiming it, it would be impossible to confirm this day phase at least, and as a new player MadNat would want any tool she can use to extend her life.

Sure, she gave the info, and it is better, but in the same shoes, would you really wait to be asked? It feels sorta lazy to me. Like we should've expected it naturally. Why did she need to be asked in the first place? Her suspicious is irrespective of GB. Bad is bad, even if slighly less bad than another bad. I've complained about Jinx lackadaisical anon votes all game, and now we actually see I was on the right track.

But why imagine she is a spy? she is a claimed det. There is quite no benefit to waiting for the reveal, and even if you argue there is, she got no result so why withhold to begin with?
This whole thing can be replied to with: new player.
You can't Sus her for any of this, you should read what she writes all day, she is basically figuring super basic things out, only a mafia will ignore the non stop noob stuff she been saying for 4 days just to use it against her in the end game, selectively.

Marm is dead and can't communicate,
Hosts confirmed dead players can read the pad.

So Nat as mafia can't carelessly claim to have been overriden by M.Pirate, because Marm could've actually given it to someone else and she would be screwed. So maybe the play for Nat was to wait and see if anyone claims M.Pirate switch, or just claim block if she was asked or pressured.
Marm being the dead player would follow the instruction given to her in the pad, but I see your point, she would still be careful just in case.

I explained why this fails. Sam got us Kat by Marm failed pirate. Regardless of Sam being scum or not, the point is he had information that Marm went for Kat. That means, Marm did not pirate you, and so she couldn't have coded your role to Panda. The alternative would be Panda is or the mafia team has a M.Det
Yeah that makes sense, got it!
 

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I have completed the autopsy of baka/ankha victim was found with blunt force trauma to the face and with strangulation marks on the neck, toxicology report found elevated levels of alcohol in the blood. unwrapped Christmas present was found at the scene.
 

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I want the GB to make up a claim and story line first, before committing to his death.

@GB so what is the result you got on me this night?

--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---

I have completed the autopsy of baka/ankha victim was found with blunt force trauma to the face and with strangulation marks on the neck, toxicology report found elevated levels of alcohol in the blood. unwrapped Christmas present was found at the scene.

Awesome, but wtf? Poisoned Night 1??? When did the gift come? So Kat was lying to us?

What does that mean for James then?
 

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This is what I was fearing, here comes the Jesus SirSam again xD
 

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Gry didn't pass his, so we can assume they are no mafia members and escort is too valuable, rookie could also be valuable but I don't see marm not following Gry in deleting a town role, like spy.

But even if marm didn't transfer it, it doesn't stop a mafia from claiming it, it would be impossible to confirm this day phase at least, and as a new player MadNat would want any tool she can use to extend her life.



This whole thing can be replied to with: new player.
You can't Sus her for any of this, you should read what she writes all day, she is basically figuring super basic things out, only a mafia will ignore the non stop noob stuff she been saying for 4 days just to use it against her in the end game, selectively.



Hosts confirmed dead players can read the pad.



Marm being the dead player would follow the instruction given to her in the pad, but I see your point, she would still be careful just in case.



Yeah that makes sense, got it!
A mafia cannot carelessly claim M.Pirate as that would put them in direct conflict with someone else (assuming they didn't actually have the role). Sure Marm can see the pad, but they have no confirmation from her or acknowledgement to follow their plans.

Shad, I think you are severely underestimating new players, or how well mafia can milk this to let a new player coast through the whole game. It has been done several times. I can't remember who but we have literally had a new player feign complete ignorance and cute confusion to coast through a game before. This is part of why new players get lynched a lot, especially once they start having a lot of suspicion around them. Instead of defending Nat, it would be much better to pressure and see if there are any slip ups. However, there are better lynch targets so I will leave this be for now.

Marm will indeed likely follow the instructions, but again, why will Nat and Sam not be disabled by now? Why would Marm in the first place not try to pirate Nat? Why are you not asking these questions? Pirating Nat will not kill or invalidate her newbie player experience. Sigh. I'm already tired of going over this. Nat is not a prio for me regardless, so I see it as pointless. However, I will certainly come back to bite hard on her, and unapologetically too. If she is genuine, there is no harm. If she isn't, you will thank me later.

Also a scenario the Holt being the Psychiatrist Town Lover. Purpose of the setup being find traitor and threesome.

@Holt could you please again repeat the reasons for your targets? 🎤
It would be weird for me to be the Pysch lover but I don't have anything else to say to this besides that I am not.

My night targets? I went for you N1 because you were the sole claimed passive at the time. I went for James on N2 because I wanted to be insurance incase Sakura died, not like I had a better target. N3, I went for Jinx because among Sam didn't list her among his suggested targets for me. I thought Sam would go for me, and I want to pick a sus person not on his recommendations to further strengthen my position. It was also a way for me to verify him. If he correctly acknowledged who I targeted, all good. If there were any weird occurences, we wouldn't need to spend time debating on what-ifs since I went for a completely different target from expectations.
 

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Actually, I was joking there not to confuse the townies further here is what actually happened. I got a role change; it was the pirate role. I used it on madnat.


Did you successfully steal her detective role?
 

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Considering she got blocked from having a result I would say yes, now mafia will kill me but there is a confirmed townie present.
 

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Actually, I was joking there not to confuse the townies further here is what actually happened. I got a role change; it was the pirate role. I used it on madnat.

Thanks for sharing. So you live, so she is not a Mafia? Detective is her role, can you confirm that?

Pirating is prio 3, her no result is no related to that, because it is prio 2. She still must have been targeted by prio 1 the block.
 

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Actually, I was joking there not to confuse the townies further here is what actually happened. I got a role change; it was the pirate role. I used it on madnat.
I was going to call BS because knowing Sakura, she would've outright said or hinted at santa. So it's GB left. Will reserve comments until he and then Evil reveal roles/actions/results
 

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Thanks for sharing. So you live, so she is not a Mafia? Detective is her role, can you confirm that?

Pirating is prio 3, her no result is no related to that, because it is prio 2. She still must have been targeted by prio 1 the block.
wait..........I never got informed the role. This mystery deepens every post....
 

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I was going to call BS because knowing Sakura, she would've outright said or hinted at santa. So it's GB left. Will reserve comments until he and then Evil reveal roles/actions/results

The Panda has not come out yet with his secretive actions. Is he off the hook for you? If so, why?
 

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The Panda has not come out yet with his secretive actions. Is he off the hook for you? If so, why?
No he isn't. I just have my eyes set elsewhere for now. Nothing set in stone, I want full information before proceeding.
 

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Aight back to skeptical, my tunnel is not cozy enough yet.
 
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