Manhwa The Breaker by Geuk-Jin Jeon and Jin-Hwan Park

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As expected shiwoon ended up fighting them all, without BOT would be a better measuring stick but shiwoon can use everything he know so it almost the same, and he is much more conscious than before it seems, he better kill at least half of them should be a good fight as long as shiwoon isn't getting out skilled anymore and taking unnecessary hits them I'm cool even if he loses at a high level and being out numbered.

The elder is gonna use ryuji since shiwoon is obviously very close to him, that if he still cares about it the other elder also seem very interested in seeing it so who knows if they plan to get the tech from him by force or just do the obvious thing and make him the successor to the clan.
 

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Ryuji will live!! :wtf

And the remaining DDs will die!! :datass
 

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If Shiwoon really can handle all 7 and the Chief could not, he is way closer to the 9AD than i thought.

What's confusing for me is the constant change of energy. When he trained while Ryu was gone, without restrictions, he used the KI of eternity. Now, his energy looks more like his old one. Does this mean that he isn't using the Ki of eternity right now? Or does the KI change according to the technique you use?
 

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If Shiwoon really can handle all 7 and the Chief could not, he is way closer to the 9AD than i thought.

What's confusing for me is the constant change of energy. When he trained while Ryu was gone, without restrictions, he used the KI of eternity. Now, his energy looks more like his old one. Does this mean that he isn't using the Ki of eternity right now? Or does the KI change according to the technique you use?
with BOT and his current martial arts level, I think he could. the problem is: what happens after he kills all 7?
 
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If Shiwoon really can handle all 7 and the Chief could not, he is way closer to the 9AD than i thought.

What's confusing for me is the constant change of energy. When he trained while Ryu was gone, without restrictions, he used the KI of eternity. Now, his energy looks more like his old one. Does this mean that he isn't using the Ki of eternity right now? Or does the KI change according to the technique you use?
Ki is conscious bro. So it has chosen to not manifest. It will talk to Shioon when he is in trouble
 
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The IDS Ki is like a spirit. It gets to decide when it will manifest on the host.
 
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Ki is conscious bro. So it has chosen to not manifest. It will talk to Shioon when he is in trouble
The IDS Ki is like a spirit. It gets to decide when it will manifest on the host.

Interesting theories. That would mean that Shiwoon healed Ryu without the ki of eternity, if Ryu was healed.
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with BOT and his current martial arts level, I think he could. the problem is: what happens after he kills all 7?
Chief Lee and those two useless elders die. At least i hope so.
And maybe he will snap out of it, if Ryu really is stil alive and someone teils him about it.
 

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Interesting theories. That would mean that Shiwoon healed Ryu without the ki of eternity, if Ryu was healed.
They need to show that otherwise the repetition of bot will make the manhwa stale and bland. This bot need to be different from the ones before it.

I think in bot, Shioon is in a trance like state in which he doesn't realize what really is happening. I don't see that he will realize what he is doing when it will go against the basic principles over which bot works and mindless fighting is something we have seen many times. So the only way to retain interest in the manhwa is by showing some growth happening because of eternal ki.

It could be that a little eternal ki got transferred into Ryuji
 

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They need to show that otherwise the repetition of bot will make the manhwa stale and bland. This bot need to be different from the ones before it.

I think in bot, Shioon is in a trance like state in which he doesn't realize what really is happening. I don't see that he will realize what he is doing when it will go against the basic principles over which bot works and mindless fighting is something we have seen many times. So the only way to retain interest in the manhwa is by showing some growth happening because of eternal ki.

It could be that a little eternal ki got transferred into Ryuji
My theory? Shioon in BoT will be the same go berserk etc. and every time those fake dragons attack him with their skill Shioon will copy it to the point that those fake dragons will get confused on how Shioon doing it because each of them has different Ki circulation and thinks that Shioon's BoT once copied they can also use other clans techs and starts attacking Shioon with their secret techs looking if Shioon can copy it.

The longer the fight happening Shioon will get the upper hand and beat some of the fake dragons until Kaiser order them to retreat and say that he got the data he needs and the fake dragons leave.

Shioon fighting those fake dragons was being watch by MAA Chief and that female member of BH&E clan and asking BoT is different compared to the one she knows and feels like Shioon is learning and adjusting while under BoT and MAA Chief will say "Interesting" while scratching his beard.

I know that it looks like a repeat on Shioon fighting Lone Wolf in school after Asian Kimbo Slice got hit by a bomb but its quite different because the people watching knows about BoT. This will make MAA Chief want Shioon more thinking that by teaching him everything he can get at least a glimpse of what the perfect BoT is.
 
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I feel this BOT will be different this time. If I remember correctly every time BOT was used, 9AD or Shioon was like : "XXX (insert the name of your choosing)!! I WILL KILL YOU" then he attacked crazily.
We don't have that this time, Shioon even said a real line (I get it now, you're the ones that killed my master). He looks more calm. I wouldn't say he's conscious but maybe less lost in his fury.
 
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Bro wtf is going on? The chief had noble intentions all this time, all of this seems like a big misunderstanding, he still pushed eun to his death with his scheming so he destroyed that bridge, but why eun pass on the technique to 9 arts and not his elder disciple brother or ryuji, because of the sect rules or he always planned to suicide no matter what? So he taught some talented kid so the technique doesn't die with him.

Also I feel really bad for eun and those elders where pricks they thought learn something without the chief there, instead they sealed their own fates, one wrong decisions set everything into motion, also it's weird seeming the chief acting so subservient to those elders, seems like he was always a nice guy just slightly jealous of eun talents.

Felt I was right about the chief he had good intentions towards shiwoon at the start of season 3, he could have captured him easily and force the technique out of him, something tells me the chief gonna get hurt to convince shiwoon of his sincerit.
 

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Kinda like chief getting transformed into a decent sort of person. Not sure how we got from the end of Breaker S1 to here with him but I'm fine with it.

@Demonspeed is probably the only one who will get this reference but the the chief is suddenly the equivalent of the evil looking priest in Faraway Paladin. Even if he turns into a saint he'll always have that evil look to him
 

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Anyone played Assassins Creed III? In the intro of that game Charles Lee's face is friendly like he's your friend and will die for you because you're playing Haytham Kenway but after you played Connor Kenway his face becomes different because of Connor's PoV. You can actually watch a youtube walkthrough and see it for yourself.

I think what happened on those years are just all PoV of two people about MAA Chief.

GMR's PoV about MAA Chief lusting for the BoT and i think that Unwol also think that way.
Lone Wolf's PoV about MAA Chief asking for BoT in the manuals.

A third PoV was Shioon in the end of Season 2 and MAA Chief looks like a caring grandfather.

Also before GMR's attacks while in BOT we taught it was just random attack but it looks like he is also using Black Origin Reversal on those two guys.

Also on that chapter of GMR using Black Origin Reversal Kaiser knows Unwol and now this chapter i can assume that the VIP that called MAA Chief is Kaiser or member of Kaiser's group.

The final scene looks like Shioon is using two techs instead of Black Origin Reversal both hands should be opened and release a ki blast to repel opponents but in Shioon's case its one hand is opened and the other is a punch my guess is one is Soul Crushing Strike and Black Origin Reversal on each hand.
 
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Shin got retconned...
Now I'm curious about what he will do next based on his claim of keeping his promise to Eunwol...
 

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Anybody else kind of expecting, after all this mayhem, we're going to cut to So Sul just surrounded by a sea of blood as she's spent Shioon's entire training arc going full enraged yandere.
 

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This chapter explains a lot.

x - The Black Origin clan had puzzle pieces of a technique they were developing to boost a martial artists' speed, power and physical attributes. This technique was the holy grail of their clan and was known as Black Origin Threshold.

y - The previous master died attempting to complete BOT. Executing ki techniques requires the flow of ki in the body be altered and transformed. This state is referred to as ki deviation and can be fatal in worst case scenarios.

z - The Martial Arts Alliance Chief is portrayed as taking the slow and safe road towards completing BOT. While Eun Wol appears to have taken the fast and hazardous approach.

What is left unsaid is...

-Eun Wol's version of BOT appears to be flawed and imperfect due to the uncontrollable berserker state.

-The Chief's knowledge and decades of studying BOT could be what is needed to perfect the technique for the power up to be possible without the berserker state.
 

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Hmmm. I don't like it. The Chief suddenly being all nice and honorable? Feels like an asspull to me.

He and the others promised the 9AD that they would grant him his wish if he wins. They didn't. Instead they put pressure on Unwol.
Then they erased any evidence regarding the tournament.

He used Shiwoon as a meat shield for gods sake.
He abandoned the Alliance while he wasn't the Chief.

Or his worries for his subordinates - he is the same guy that sacrificed i don't know how many to weaken 9AD in the tower...


Let's wait and see how this will go.
 

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I'm with you guys, it smells like recon, but for some reasons I don't mind. Villain Shin belongs to season 1. As for the justification of his past behavior, it could be logically explained :

  1. Shin has mixed feeling toward Eul but is overall caring about him
  2. He feels guilty about the event but also jealous
  3. He asks Eul the secret of the BOT
  4. Eul being kind and all, refuses, probably because it's too dangerous
  5. As years go by, Shin becomes frustrated by Eul refusal, while the latter thinks that Shin is obsessed by BOT for selfish reasons only
  6. When Eul dies, 9AD becomes the embodiment of that degraded relationship. 9AD despises Shin
  7. Siwoon, as 9AD's disciple, follows the same path, showing hostility toward Shin after everything that happened in season 1. And that explains why Shin was still trying to manipulate Siwoon until now. Now that he knows Siwoon better, he finally met someone he could hope to work with. He'll have to make up for his past actions though
Is this flashback a red flag though?
 

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Anybody else kind of expecting, after all this mayhem, we're going to cut to So Sul just surrounded by a sea of blood as she's spent Shioon's entire training arc going full enraged yandere.
not yet please. I want some DDs killed by Shiwoon :wtf
 
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