Traumerei vs 50% Urek

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Can Traumerei beat urek who is using half the strength against him?

We see luslec without going all out can handle 30% reinforced urek.

Thoughts?

 

[maverickframe_19]

Can Traumerei beat urek who is using half the strength against him?

We see luslec without going all out can handle 30% reinforced urek.

Thoughts?

You are just here for the controversy arent you

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

You are just here for the controversy arent you

No lol. I am interested in what others think here about this

 

[maverickframe_19]

No lol. I am interested in what others think here about this

I understand. First, I would like to hear other thoughts on this then i'mma give my opinion.

 

[Shadowlord123]

Most likely Traumerei.

I think Urek was already punching properly with 100% Reinforcement back when he went to stop 2 FHs from killing each other. And even then, Gustang said he wouldn't be able to destroy 3D Disconnection indefinitely, and that if Traumerei hadn't been exhausted and missing most of his energy, fully powered Disconnections wouldn't have been dealt with without thinking. Granted, Gustang probably doesn't know the full depth of Urek's arsenal, so there's room to doubt the statement a bit. Still, it's what we have now. By this portrayal, probably not even 100% Reinforcement Urek can take 3D Disconnection lightly.

In addition, we never saw Traumerei at his peak. He was missing Leviathan, a Shinheuh probably even stronger than Valhalla. He was also missing many of the Shinheuh he gave to his BHs, including his most valued possessions (Haetae and Gran Abuelo).

There's a bit of uncertainty because we don't know much about what kind of techniques Urek has besides Gorgon and Scorching Fist of the Death. At his peak, however, I'd say Traumerei should scale above 50% Reinforcement Urek.

 

[Demonspeed]

Traumerei wins. Luslec hasn't shown that he can handle 30% Urek. He showed that he can injure him.

Pretty sure Urek could kill him with one strike.

 

[arrowofsky]

Urek can't even fight him properly as Yuri and Baek will scold him otherwise. He can punch through disconnections just like he punched through Luslec spells, in the end, the opponent will come out unscathed.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Urek can't even fight him properly as Yuri and Baek will scold him otherwise. He can punch through disconnections just like he punched through Luslec spells, in the end, the opponent will come out unscathed.

Imo 50% urek - Strongest non irregular characters like luslec , adori etc

65% urek - Low tier FHs like gustang

75% urek - mid level FH like blossom

85% urek - Strongest FHs like eduan , hon

100% urek - Prime V , zahard during previous war

Current zahard is bit stronger imo.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Imo 50% urek - Strongest non irregular characters like luslec , adori etc

65% urek - Low tier FHs like gustang

75% urek - mid level FH like blossom

85% urek - Strongest FHs like eduan , hon

100% urek - Prime V , zahard during previous war

Current zahard is bit stronger imo.

Wait huh?

A spark of blossom overhwelms both Traum and Gustang in power, that's a fraction of her strength.

How in the world is Urek even gonna be in the same tier as even half of her power with even 100% reinforcement which is Aka base?


Also wait a minute, you think basic shinsoo reinforcement represents the entirety of Ureks overall power?

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Wait huh?

A spark of blossom overhwelms both Traum and Gustang in power, that's a fraction of her strength.

How in the world is Urek even gonna be in the same tier as even half of her power with even 100% reinforcement which is Aka base?


Also wait a minute, you think basic shinsoo reinforcement represents the entirety of Ureks overall power?

It never overwhelmed gustang and traum had a matchup disadvantage. 100% urek's punches could not keep disconnection down continuously.

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Wait huh?

A spark of blossom overhwelms both Traum and Gustang in power, that's a fraction of her strength.

How in the world is Urek even gonna be in the same tier as even half of her power with even 100% reinforcement which is Aka base?


Also wait a minute, you think basic shinsoo reinforcement represents the entirety of Ureks overall power?

Urek seems to be one someone who uses raw power and punches anyways from what we can see for now. Not saying he doesn't have more up his sleeve but he is straight forward fighter.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

It never overwhelmed gustang and traum had a matchup disadvantage. 100% urek's punches could not keep disconnection down continuously.

Matchup advantage cope for Traum, that's a new one.

No, his Disconnection simply fell under one of the things Blossoms flames can burn, aka even concepts or conceptual attacks.

It's called the most destructive flames in the tower, not the most situational flames in the tower, the only thing it can't do is heal.

Even Urek has a better claim for match up argument over Traum and Gustang cause of his style than Blossom's flames.

Also Gustang assumed and said not even he "should" be able to-

That's an asssumption, not a factual basis cause as we see next panel he was about to one shot both Eurasias flames and disconnection combined plus Okbi nonsense.

Urek seems to be one someone who uses raw power and punches anyways from what we can see for now. Not saying he doesn't have more up his sleeve but he is straight forward fighter.

Urek is a fisherman, he can adapt to any style and fight proficiently under it.

He's fighting like a spear bearer right now because it works and he's not fought an opponent that can force him to adapt to a new position.


But i still don't see how this also means 100% basic shinsoo reinforcement is the peak of Urek's strength.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Matchup advantage cope for Traum, that's a new one.

No, his Disconnection simply fell under one of the things Blossoms flames can burn, aka even concepts or conceptual attacks.

It's called the most destructive flames in the tower, not the most situational flames in the tower, the only thing it can't do is heal.

Also Gustang assumed and said not even he "should" be able to-

That's an asssumption, not a factual basis cause as we see next panel he was about to one shot both Eurasias flames and disconnection combined plus Okbi nonsense.





Urek is a fisherman, he can adapt to any style and fight proficiently under it.

He's fighting like a spear bearer right now because it works and he's not fought an opponent that can force him to adapt to a new position.


But i still don't see how this also means 100% basic shinsoo reinforcement is the peak of Urek's strength.

Read the manhwa for once. Traum's disconnection is weak to attacks like blossom's. That is what traum said.

Lol gustang was the one who compared urek's punches to blossom's fire. That is also an assumption.

Doesn't change the fact man used raw power and punches for most part. Has he used anything else?

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Read the manhwa for once. Traum's disconnection is weak to attacks like blossom's. That is what traum said.

No, da hell?

Traum said her flames can burn even invisible things, aka his disconnection.

He didn't say invisible things are weak to her flames, if he did you'd have an argument.

If a flame is so destructive it can burn even conceptual attacks how in any world does it translate to match up advantage rather than pure power?

What matchup advantage are you calling for what is flat out stated to be the most powerful and destructive flames in the tower?

Lol gustang was the one who compared urek's punches to blossom's fire. That is also an assumption.

Funny dude, he compared Urek to the same power he currently weilded and same owner of the power who he married, fucked and knows her strength inside out cause they climbed together as irregularz.

Gustang may be no authority on Urek's strength but Blossom he sure as hell knows more than anyone in the tower.


Definition of an assumption getting rewritten here in real time ngl.

Doesn't change the fact man used raw power and punches for most part. Has he used anything else?

I don't understand this logic, he's a Fisherman.

Aka someone who's proficient in all styles.

Currently figting like a spearbearer.

Somehow this is supposed to mean he's no longer a Fisherman?


Brotha man...

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

No, da hell?

Traum said her flames can burn even invisible things, aka his disconnection.

He didn't say invisible things are weak to her flames, if he did you'd have an argument.

If a flame is so destructive it can burn even conceptual attacks how in any world does it translate to match up advantage rather than pure power?

What matchup advantage are you calling for what is flat out stated to be the most powerful and destructive flames in the tower?




Funny dude, he compared Urek to the same power he currently weilded and same owner of the power who he married, fucked and knows her strength inside out cause they climbed together as irregularz.

Gustang may be no authority on Urek's strength but Blossom he sure as hell knows more than anyone in the tower.


Definition of an assumption getting rewritten here in real time ngl.





I don't understand this logic, he's a Fisherman.

Aka someone who's proficient in all styles.

Currently figting like a spearbearer.

Somehow this is supposed to mean he's no longer a Fisherman?


Brotha man...

You do know gustang saying urek's full power punches not able to keep on continuously with disconnection where as even a small spark being a threat to traum hypes blossom more than traumerei? And it was gustang who made the comparison in the first place. Gustang's punches are exclusively hyped doesn't matter if they are used at cqc or ranged (fisherman or spear bearer).

It shows urek's fighting style where for now it seems he doesn't uses any weapons or techs like disconnection.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

You do know gustang saying urek's full power punches not able to keep on continuously with disconnection where as even a small spark being a threat to traum hypes blossom more than traumerei?

Brotha man, you ain't even keeping up with your own scaling anymore right now fucking hell.

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It shows urek's fighting style where for now it seems he doesn't uses any weapons or techs like disconnection.

Dude, we ain't even seen or know what his shinsoo quality is yet.

All we been seen is formless nonsense and two random technqiue that also bear none of his quality, scorching kings fist like he clumsily named is a joke technique cause it's just revolving normal shinsoo around your fist.


Gorgons fist is another unserious nonsense too considering he's still casually much faster than his own technqiue therefore it's pointless for why he even created it even.


All we've seen is meme shit and formless shit or joke shit, it's tiring but i expericenced the same thing with Saitama so i'm used to it.

 

[arrowofsky]

Gorgons fist is another unserious nonsense too considering he's still casually much faster than his own technqiue therefore it's pointless for why he even created it even.


All we've seen is meme shit and formless shit or joke shit, it's tiring but i expericenced the same thing with Saitama so i'm used to it.

Those things remind me the techniques of Wu geng/Ah Gou from Feng Shen Ji like "Hungry Dog Eating shit kick". I wish the story make Urek less boring in the following chapters.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Brotha man, you ain't even keeping up with your own scaling anymore right now fucking hell.

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Dude, we ain't even seen or know what his shinsoo quality is yet.

All we been seen is formless nonsense and two random technqiue that also bear none of his quality, scorching kings fist like he clumsily named is a joke technique cause it's just revolving normal shinsoo around your fist.


Gorgons fist is another unserious nonsense too considering he's still casually much faster than his own technqiue therefore it's pointless for why he even created it even.


All we've seen is meme shit and formless shit or joke shit, it's tiring but i expericenced the same thing with Saitama so i'm used to it.

I don't know why you are all worked up. I think I was pretty generous to urek. What are you so angry about?

 

[Jackjohsnon]

Traumerei.

There is no space for this stupid gimmick when facing a Family Head. Hence SIU didn't even mention It after Luslec fight.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

Those things remind me the techniques of Wu geng/Ah Gou from Feng Shen Ji like "Hungry Dog Eating shit kick". I wish the story make Urek less boring in the following chapters.

Feng Shen Ji, dropped it around 20 chapters for some reason even though i liked it very much and then forgot it.

Damn, thanks for the reminder.

And also yeah i agree, i know from all indications SIU created Urek as the balance between sclaes on both sides but man i want some serious stuff too.

Flexing for me will always be a cool and acceptable thing but so is dangerous fights even more so as is some good plotline or story for his actions and events surrouding him.

 

[VON]

Traumerei.

Urek will not only need 100% shinsoo boost. He needs to use actual techniques to beat Traumerei.