Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Darklord#10]

I already met someone thinking that Dragon Irene is Igneel level, the Irene wankers from this sub thinks that she can take the 4 BDSK when not even August should be able to take this team while Irene is extremely vulnerable to DS magic and now this? I had enough, time for Irene slander

Yeah we need to crack down on Irene fanboys.

 

[GL_Nova]

Im glad Gray got some feats. Problem is yall gunna be heartbroken when we reestablish that he's still below all the same people in the guild yall gun be upset... .

 

[WoWfan]

The problem will be that the characters will likely not go all out just for comedic purposes and when there is drama they will go all out when people they care for are in danger.

 

[GL_Nova]

The problem will be that the characters will likely not go all out just for comedic purposes and when there is drama they will go all out when people they care for are in danger.

No, it'll likely be when we get another blatant moment of Gray confirming that he knows that he's below Laxus and Erza and the rest, and you act dense and offer some personal interpretational viewpoint and argue it for the next 4 years like it's serious.

 

[WoWfan]

No, it'll likely be when we get another blatant moment of Gray confirming that he knows that he's below Laxus and Erza and the rest, and you act dense and offer some personal interpretational viewpoint and argue it for the next 4 years like it's serious.

Unless they give some mention that Laxus trained off screen for some reason because he struggled against Kirin who is stronger than Suzaku and he was fodder to a DG that Gray managed to beat. kind of like how Nerfed Zeref is stronger than Gildarts by visuals via Aldoron.

 

[Cosmicstar]

After rereading the fight with Gray and Viernes, I realized that outside of the glittering Ice mess, Gray stood no chance against Viernes. His Ice makes were useless, and he performed multiple Dragon Slayer-enhanced Demon Slayer attacks on Viernes that left him unscathed. So it is weird how a Devil slayer and Ice attack worked on him later when it was acknowledged they were useless before. Even if Gray made " Devil slayer" magic we saw that Devil slayer magic is useless against Viernes a chapter prior.

This is why I say powerscaling is somewhat pointless because a character can be defeated by the same magic that did not affect them 2 seconds prior without any logical reason.

 

[Talenel]

After rereading the fight with Gray and Viernes, I realized that outside of the glittering Ice mess, Gray stood no chance against Viernes. His Ice makes were useless, and he performed multiple Dragon Slayer-enhanced Demon Slayer attacks on Viernes that left him unscathed. So it is weird how a Devil slayer and Ice attack worked on him later when it was acknowledged they were useless before. Even if Gray made " Devil slayer" magic we saw that Devil slayer magic is useless against Viernes a chapter prior.

This is why I say powerscaling is somewhat pointless because a character can be defeated by the same magic that did not affect them 2 seconds prior without any logical reason.

Eh, it makes fine sense to me after sitting with it.

Viernes wasn't immune to magic power itself. He moreseo could make himself immune to substances made with magic like fire or ice. Thats why he had to keep adapting to new abilities.

To get around this, Gray hit him with pure magical power.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Eh, it makes fine sense to me after sitting with it.

Viernes wasn't immune to magic power itself. He moreseo could make himself immune to substances made with magic like fire or ice. Thats why he had to keep adapting to new abilities.

To get around this, Gray hit him with pure magical power.

Gray hit him with Ice, not pure magical power. It was glittering Ice. Even if it was pure magic, it makes less sense as we saw Viernes being able to absorb magic in its pure form using Alchemy. Also, the idea that Gray's magical power is strong enough to damage Viernes makes even less sense.

Gray's attack against Viernes has no logic whatsoever. Viernes has already shown the ability to negate both Ice and Dark magic, as stated on the panel, and we know Alchemy can negate pure magic, as Duke, whom Viernes gifted this power, was able to absorb and negate the Dragon Slayer's powers. Thus the only way this would work is to retcon viernes power.

 

[Talenel]

Gray hit him with Ice, not pure magical power. It was glittering Ice. Even if it was pure magic, it makes less sense as we saw Viernes being able to absorb magic in its pure form using Alchemy. Also, the idea that Gray's magical power is strong enough to damage Viernes makes even less sense.

Gray's attack against Viernes has no logic whatsoever. Viernes has already shown the ability to negate both Ice and Dark magic, as stated on the panel, and we know Alchemy can negate pure magic, as Duke, whom Viernes gifted this power, was able to absorb and negate the Dragon Slayer's powers. Thus the only way this would work is to retcon viernes power.

Yes, the attack was called "ice" but it wasn't actually ice...that's just the technique name. Gray specifically stated that he wasn't making ice and was making devil slaying instead. He just made the devil slaying magic "cold" in the same way he previously made his ice "hot."

Two notes about Viernes:
-Gray fought human form Viernes, not full Dragon form Viernes. You can complain about Viernes taking a lesser form, and, fair. However, every Dragon God we've seen has fought using human or other weaker forms so it's consistent.

-Viernes' copy of Duke used Whiteout. Even then, Whiteout didn't make Duke immune to taking damage from magic. Viernes never used Duke's powers even when fighting amped Natsu, and the Duke copy only existed while Viernes was absent from the physical world.
The only way this would be a retcon would be if Viernes previously used Dukes magic himself but didn't in this appearance, and that's not the case.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Yes, the attack was called "ice" but it wasn't actually ice...that's just the technique name. Gray specifically stated that he wasn't making ice and was making devil slaying instead. He just made the devil slaying magic "cold" in the same way he previously made his ice "hot."

Two notes about Viernes:
-Gray fought human form Viernes, not full Dragon form Viernes. You can complain about Viernes taking a lesser form but every Dragon God we've seen has fought using human or other weaker forms so it's consistent.

-Viernes' copy of Duke used Whiteout. Even then, Whiteout didn't make Duke immune to taking damage from magic. Viernes himaelf never used Duke's powers even when fighting amped Natsu, and the Duke copy only existed while Viernes was absent from the physical world. The only way this would be a retcon would be if Viernes previously used Dukes magic himself but didn't in this appearance, and that's not the case.

Duke was confirmed as an illusion created by Viernes, meaning every power Duke had was thanks to Viernes' power. Thus if duke has the power to steal magic then so does Viernes. Especially a version of him that is much stronger.

Also, even if it was devil slayer magic, Viernes already confirmed and shown that he could neutralize it through alchemy. It wasn't just Gray's Ice that Viernes was initially neutralizing, but his dark magic, aka demon slayer magic, too. Viernes out of his own mouth states and shows this in chapter 181. So even if he was making his devil slayer magic cold, Viernes was stated to be able to neutralize devil slayer magic. So, regardless of whether it was Ice or Dark magic, it was already confirmed the Viernes could neutralize it. People tend to conveniently overlook the part.

Add in Gray uses multiple devil slayer and dragon seal attacks prior,, and they have no effect on him, so how does that same attack hurt Viernes now was my point?

There are multiple retcons and contradictions that no one talks about from chapters 181 to 182.

 

[Talenel]

Duke was confirmed as an illusion created by Viernes, meaning every power Duke had was thanks to Viernes' power. Thus if duke has the power to steal magic then so does Viernes. Especially a version of him that is much stronger.

What you're stating was simply never shown to be the case. Viernes made a copy of Duke but never used Duke's powers at any point after being brought into the world. You can argue that Viernes actually has all of Duke's magical powers, but that just isn't supported by the manga at all.

Also, even if it was devil slayer magic, Viernes already confirmed and shown that he could neutralize it through alchemy.

He showed that he could neutralize ice made with magic, not the magic power itself. Hence why Gray could just change the flavor of his ice to devil slaying and it suddenly started working again.

It wasn't just Gray's Ice that Viernes was initially neutralizing, but his dark magic, aka demon slayer magic, too. Viernes out of his own mouth states and shows this in chapter 181. So even if he was making his devil slayer magic cold, Viernes was stated to be able to neutralize devil slayer magic. So, regardless of whether it was Ice or Dark magic, it was already confirmed the Viernes could neutralize it. People tend to conveniently overlook the part.

If Viernes was making himself immune to Gray's magic power, then Gray shifting his magic wouldn't have had any effect - its just Gray's magic being molded after all. What that proved was that Gray shifting his magic meant that Viernes had to readapt, and the black ice was something new that Viernes had not seen before.

There are multiple retcons and contradictions that no one talks about from chapters 181 to 182.

Consider that people may just not agree with you on whether something counts as a contradiction.

 

[Cosmicstar]

What you're stating was simply never shown to be the case. Viernes made a copy of Duke but never used Duke's powers at any point after being brought into the world. You can argue that Viernes actually has all of Duke's magical powers, but that just isn't supported by the manga at all.

He showed that he could neutralize ice made with magic, not the magic power itself. Hence why Gray could just change the flavor of his ice to devil slaying and it suddenly started working again.


If Viernes was making himself immune to Gray's magic power, then Gray shifting his magic wouldn't have had any effect - its just Gray's magic being molded after all. What that proved was that Gray shifting his magic meant that Viernes had to readapt, and the black ice was something new that Viernes had not seen before.

Consider that people may just not agree with you on whether something counts as a contradiction.

Not about whether you agree or disagree, as I am stating what was stated and shown in the Manga. It is confirmed that the power Alchemy Duke had came from Viernes. It was confirmed that Dukes power was Viernes power. This isn't an opinion but a fact stated by the Manga itself.

Gray molded his Devil slayer magic which as I pointed out it was stated in the Manga that Viernes made himself immune to it. Gray didn't change anything. Gray only has 2 types of power which is Ice Magic and Devil slayer magic(Dark Magic). Viernes stated he made himself immune to both. Even if Gray was simply molding his devil slayer power, whatever that means, we were already told and shown in Chapter 181 that Viernes was immune to it.

The mental gymnastics to try to make it make sense don't work. It is 100% a contradiction because we were explicitly told and shown in previous chapters that these types of magic don't work on him. Unless Gray used a third power that was neither his devil slayer nor Ice magic then no what happened was a contradiction.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

@Cosmicstar​

I undestood that Gray have created a different Devil Slayer Magic. He said that he "made" DS magic, and not just amplified his Ice Make magic with Devil Slayer factor.​

 

[Cosmicstar]

@Cosmicstar​

I undestood that Gray have created a different Devil Slayer Magic. He said that he "made" DS magic, and not just amplified his Ice Make magic with Devil Slayer factor.​

Either way it was a physical matter attack that Alchemy should have been able to undo. Rather demon particles or Ice or a combination of both really wouldn't matter as both is physical matter. Also he already used a combination of Devil Slayer magic and Ice make earlier in the fight and it had zero affect on Viernes.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Either way it was a physical matter attack that Alchemy should have been able to undo. Rather demon particles or Ice or a combination of both really wouldn't matter as both is physical matter. Also he already used a combination of Devil Slayer magic and Ice make earlier in the fight and it had zero affect on Viernes.

What was established in the fight is that Viernes is a powerful tank, but he can only alter and nullify elements that he knows. What I got is that Gray creates a storm with black magic, the black magic falls over Viernes' body, reacting to it, freezing and shattering it because of the strength and property of the spell: it's not just ice with some devil factor strengthening it, it's a "pure" devil element freezing after the touch, and it was strong enough to start shattering Viernes' body, and he didn't have the time "to know" the spell and nullify it.​

Fairy Tail is often terrible at explaining the powers. Selene was shown impressed when Gray said that he "made" Devil Slayer Magic, so it should be something very rare and, in the context, is very strong.​

 

[Darklord#10]

@grey matter @Goku solos @GodSlayer666 big 2025 and people still think Irene can beat acnologia

 

[Rigel]

I think Irene at full power could be close to Bestia's level, below Faris.

That's the best position I can imagine for her.

 

[Darklord#10]

I think Irene at full power could be close to Bestia's level, below Faris.

That's the best position I can imagine for her.

Irene is stronger than both bestia and fodder Faris

 

[Rigel]

Irene is stronger than both bestia and fodder Faris

Do you think so? I have the impression that Faris is stronger than Irene.

 

[GL_Nova]

Unless they give some mention that Laxus trained off screen for some reason because he struggled against Kirin who is stronger than Suzaku and he was fodder to a DG that Gray managed to beat. kind of like how Nerfed Zeref is stronger than Gildarts by visuals via Aldoron.

Bro, why you always the first to respond like we ain't eatablished I don't take your scaling seriously? What is your counter to Gray repeating for the upteenth time he's weaker than Laxus? Like

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If you just wanna be friends bro say that

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Irene is stronger than both bestia and fodder Faris

Bruh, what is you talking about?