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i am pretty sure that those versions of Shinies were much much much more powerful than these weak versions we are seeing here and those ppl could have stolen ureks power. and when mago had taken ureks power she has said now she is light like urek is .... because in the past it seems they have stolen ureks full power because mago has said it in the way like she was sure that her light now would be infinity because in the past it was limitless ... and question shall be asked where that unlimited light did go ? .... who used unlimited light ?Yeah I get that but the axises in the old lore would never lose their powers to some non axises imo.
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Only in the case if shinies have eaten all of them and that can be a case .Axes are probably very rare now. I wouldn’t be surprised if phanta and Urek were the only axes in their universe. The shinning ones are not axes imo.
We know they can't be defeated. Urek most likely lost his power because they fooled him. They were his masters and family.Yeah I get that but the axes in the old lore would never lose their powers to some non axes imo. Or maybe Urek didn’t become an Axis yet when that happened?
Probably not that rare because I doubt Phanta is the first Axis to call himself King.Axes are probably very rare now. I wouldn’t be surprised if phanta and Urek were the only axes in their universe. The shinning ones are not axes imo.
Urek is nerfed, lets say mago had taken ureks 5% of power but ureks power can replenish itself unlike mago so its not a big problem , it was problem only for that timeThis is already confirmed. Outside urek , phanta , eos baam and any other canon axis if introduced are strongest beings. If outside god is also an axis , you can include it also. What is interesting is how much percentage of his light powers can urek use inside the tower? Is he above admins? If so to what extent and so on.
When Aubrion said “immense beings” to Urek he was referring to axes imo. He did not put the shinning ones in that category. So I don’t believe they are axes. However I do believe the shining ones at their peak were Enryu caliber. So entities above the admins.i am pretty sure that those versions of Shinies were much much much more powerful than these weak versions we are seeing here and those ppl could have stolen ureks power. and when mago had taken ureks power she has said now she is light like urek is .... because in the past it seems they have stolen ureks full power because mago has said it in the way like she was sure that her light now would be infinity because in the past it was limitless ... and question shall be asked where that unlimited light did go ? .... who used unlimited light ?
and i am now pretty sure that all shining ones are axis users, because they have their own powers unlike fhs whose power is just shinsoo nothing else otherwise i cannot explain how emperor can have powers outside yet FHs dont ? fhs dont even have power to fly so i cannot explain anything , evne lets say there are much more power systems outside but no fh has anything like that , which means emperor is also axiser but a bit weak ...
Fhs have power only inside of the tower and not outside , when they will leave the tower they will have no power at all because tower generates shinsoo , so i can say that pretty much all shinies are axisers and in the old stories there were weak axisers and strong axisers , some axisers could be as weak as kallaval is but will kallavan be able to kill that axisers ? hell no
So axis can be power otherwise fhs shall have axis powers also but they dont have anything at all, so that's big difference fhs are like villagers in the old stories where ppl were praying like mad to awake axis powers, so fhs love the power and that's whole idea because they didn't fully climb they couldn't achieve axishood now they are without axis powers , so they dont want to leave and they also dont allow anyone to climb above and crumble this tower .
and after aubrion has said about urek being like penta, it simply means that he is much more powerful axiser than those previous shinies including aubrion mago and all that , plus aubrion isn't dumb he knew that urek was superior to him but in this case he lived in tower much longer so his body used to it and he can use his power(light+darkness) as he wishes unlike urek , and when aubrion and latour have been exchaning words he has said like "urek now used to shinsoo ?" which means the moment you enter until your body needs time to use to shinsoo and its enoviroment .
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Only in the case if shinies have eaten all of them and that can be a case .
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I don’t think the shinning ones are axes and they were the strongest beings until phanta came around. So Phanta and Urek were the only two axes in their universe. But there are probably more axes in other universes.We know they can't be defeated. Urek most likely lost his power because they fooled him. They were his masters and family.
Probably not that rare because I doubt Phanta is the first Axis to call himself King.
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But problem is "Emperor" that guy has power outside yet no fhs have any power yet emperor was just a human like FHs are just humans , shining ones aren't human they are primordials unlike humansWhen Aubrion said “immense beings” to Urek he was referring to axes imo. He did not put the shinning ones in that category. So I don’t believe they are axes. However I do believe the shining ones at their peak were Enryu caliber. So entities above the admins.
Ohh that thing was noticed by koreans also even before DISCORD OR REDDITORS DID@Strange Also I saw someone on discord point out that all the shinning ones we’ve seen so far are named after French wines. So this is probably another hint that Enryu is not a shinning one.
In chapter 1 of this spin-off, it was implied that there were other individuals who could use light outside of the shinning ones. The emperor is probably one of those guys.But problem is "Emperor" that guy has power outside yet no fhs have any power yet emperor was just a human like FHs are just humans , shining ones aren't human they are primordials unlike humans
so how can you explain power of emperor ? while emperor and ppl outside have powers yet only fhs don't have anything at all literally just pure weaklings not even spark ?
plus outside ppl not everyone have power but only chosen , like in the old stories of axisers because only axis users have had powers or only if axisers blessed someone , and the problem is shinies still because they were born with the power unlike anyone else and also penta and also urek but rest ? they gained power after that and when urek had met emperor still that guy was just a mere human not a warrior and he had no power
Ohh that thing was noticed by koreans also even before DISCORD OR REDDITORS DID
we will see in the end, but i am pretty sure that enryu is slave of pentaminum 100% LOL BECAUSE OF thorn , and we will see thoryn guy surely here in this spin off then we will have definite answer
cant wait to see latours jewel and i will have more proof
Hopefully we will know more about this. Like I said before if his light powers are infinite as the meaning implies no matter the amount of light stolen from him it shouldn't have weakened him.Urek most likely lost his power
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I think this stems from the TL. They changed the TL from needle to thorn. Which is plant based like vines. There is thorn shaped plant type gem.I am not sure of why there even is a discussion about enryu being a shining one
You realize the contradiction, right? It is a fact that he is weakened. Urek himself that his Light got stolen, that he isn't at full power and that Shinsoo also weakens his PoL. I still don't get why sometimes people prefer to listen to Mago instead of the user himself. Urek's Light being infinite can only mean that he can generate it infinitely by himself like a battery.Hopefully we will know more about this. Like I said before if his light powers are infinite as the meaning implies no matter the amount of light stolen from him it shouldn't have weakened him.
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It started because there is a gem which looks like the Thorn but people love to insert Enryu for all kinds of theories.I am not sure of why there even is a discussion about enryu being a shining one. The guy has something to do with arlen, the great warriors and maybe kinda the workshop. He came into the tower and his shinsoo control surpassed an admin. Aubryon was surprised at urek being able to imbue his attacks with shinsoo. The great warriors don't seem to have ever heard of the shining ones for some reason. There's no real overlap between shining ones and enryu.
Ah, on my own I never made that... connection if you can call it that. I think it's nonsense tbh. Looking at the image with the gems on phanta's hand I do think it is curious that the central gem seems to be the one that shines the brightest. Maybe SIU is trying to foreshadow something.It started because there is a gem which looks like the Thorn but people love to insert Enryu for all kinds of theories.
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Wait, I could see that happening... Maybe not killed her but weakened her and Garam had to finish her off.Soo Yuram is real!!! My guess is simp boy killed her but Garam got the credit/blame and that’s why she hates him!
Well it's because Mago is far experienced when it comes to light than UM. I don't remember Mago saying having trouble with using UM's light. Maybe it only affects the pillars. As Obrion and Latur also seems to have regained significant amount of strength inside the tower. If they gain light through counter, it's weird that they aren't restricted in using it.You realize the contradiction, right? It is a fact that he is weakened. Urek himself that his Light got stolen, that he isn't at full power and that Shinsoo also weakens his PoL. I still don't get why sometimes people prefer to listen to Mago instead of the user himself. Urek's Light being infinite can only mean that he can generate it infinitely by himself like a battery.
I guess the cope would be that Aurbyon simply got caught off guard by Shinsu and in a possible rematch even him would be more prepared + Latour could be a more combat focused shiny.I wonder why Aurbyon said that Latour can beat Urek after getting atomized himself
Obrion did say he didn't expect UM to adapt to shinsu so quickly.I guess the cope would be that Aurbyon simply got caught off guard by Shinsu and in a possible rematch even him would be more prepared + Latour could be a more combat focused shiny.
Obrion did say he didn't expect UM to adapt to shinsu so quickly.
I think this clears the long debate we had whether irregulars open the door by themselves or tower choses them. Because tower didn't chose shinies they can't use shinsu. It's weird especially for Obrion who knows about shinsu to never learn about it. Even Mago when she was fighting Edahn didn't say anything about shinsu unlike UM who was fascinated by this new unfound power when he first arrived.
They trained him, he is experienced enough and she was fooled thinking that she had all his PoL. It's Urek's own power. He is a veteran fighter in this spin-off already.Well it's because Mago is far experienced when it comes to light than UM. I don't remember Mago saying having trouble with using UM's light. Maybe it only affects the pillars. As Obrion and Latur also seems to have regained significant amount of strength inside the tower. If they gain light through counter, it's weird that they aren't restricted in using it.