Chapter Tower of God Spin-Off: Urek Mazino Chapter 70 Spoilers & Discussion

[Shiinhye1]

It's been a pleasure to join you all through the end of the spin-off; I hope we'll see each other again when TOG returns.

 

[Strange]

Or maybe, Zahard did not create or made Dorothy a princess. Snake says "our Dorothy", and Snake doesn't seem to like Zahard very much. But I have no idea how Snake would have some Zahard blood at his disposal to do the trick though. It's not because of Mago that Zahard could have changed his mind though, since Garam was waiting for centuries to kill her.... unless Zahard can see the future.

Even baek can see past(maybe even future we dont know) and it(Shinsoo) tells him alot about all things like he himself has said
also there are many those who can see future and also there are some limitations on that , for example V was afraid of zahard hearing him being there but if zahard can see future then how come that Zahard didn't see that moment ? V waasn't afraid of zahards ability to see fate or like that and surely there is a limit what you can see and all that .

khell hellam also can see but it doesn't mean that future wont be changed if someone changes even small piece so fate thing doesn't work at all , Hell V says that baam was destined yet really really ? Since when baam was destined ? the guy doesn't care at all it was forced upon him otherwise baam doesn't gives a ratss about that thing nor he cares about zahard it's opposite that those guys care about baam but not baam himself LoL those guys do not let baam to choose his own path and that's all.


And i also wanted to say about zahard's blood from where that snake got zahards blood ? surely zahard didn't gave him that if zahard was against making a new princess to ressurect arlene and i have problems with ressurection cuz zahard doesn't have anything like that, it will be someone else who will ressurect arlene for him (if it was zahards plan) , and if it was all Arlenes plan then something went way off because there we have mago now LoL and arlenes plan went somewhere else and story is changed by someone . and also if zahard sees future and really loves arlene then he shouldn't give that order to kill that princess and all that but unlikely zahards future seeing ability is so good the guy couldn't even see V in baams body(when baam was in his own hands) nor in the past nor in future nor in anywhere .


This story is so damn vague and big we can only speculate about that this whole thing ended as a vague story where we know nothing about this whole story what's going on because siu either is trying to confuse us or he is himself confused cuz story itself is too big and he cannot handle such thing maybe.

And if i were siu i'd make novel to make my followers happy but nothing like that we will get ever sadly ...

 

[Rak]

There is the possibility that Snake and gang went to war against Zahard with V and Arlene, and maybe they got some blood from that. In any case, we will definitely know more about Dorothy in the future, all possibilities are pretty much opened right now, but bar the details, I tend to think that she is not a regular princess and that Zahard may not even be involved in her making. I find the parallel between Dorothy and Androthy very interesting as well, maybe it's just a pun, maybe there is something more at play.

 

[Strange]

Dorothy and Androthy

Yeah ...

 

[Big-Bird]

I don't think SIU ever confirmed that fate is a thing or not? Though in the story it's implied that it does in general with the way things go for Baam, there is a conflict about it in the FoD arc where Rachel declares that she doesn't believe in it and there is Hwa Ryun who clings to it. Baam himself never says what he thinks about it but he is a "fight against your fate" believer.

For the tower and towerborn fate is absolutely a thing
And irregular can change it, showing that fate is something choosed and imposed by the tower, so actually Urek is objectively wrong in that exchange with Baek, if the tower still acknowledged Baek as a towerborn, then he do have a fate

Z chatting with baam do imply there a "real" fate

Tough now, im usure if Baam fate is a real fate or just someone strong imposing his will, like Traum choosing to kill Laura and saying it's fate

 

[Demonspeed]

There is the possibility that Snake and gang went to war against Zahard with V and Arlene, and maybe they got some blood from that. In any case, we will definitely know more about Dorothy in the future, all possibilities are pretty much opened right now, but bar the details, I tend to think that she is not a regular princess and that Zahard may not even be involved in her making. I find the parallel between Dorothy and Androthy very interesting as well, maybe it's just a pun, maybe there is something more at play.

The snake is clearly Pro-Zahard though it might have changed. He accepted to work with Dorothy because he was threatened but he also doesn't believe that they can beat Zahard.

I highly doubt that you can create a Zahard Princess with just some blood. There is more to this. The girl also has to be young.

As for the names, Shin has notes at the end of the chapter.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

For the tower and towerborn fate is absolutely a thing
And irregular can change it, showing that fate is something choosed and imposed by the tower, so actually Urek is objectively wrong in that exchange with Baek, if the tower still acknowledged Baek as a towerborn, then he do have a fate

Z chatting with baam do imply there a "real" fate

Tough now, im usure if Baam fate is a real fate or just someone strong imposing his will, like Traum choosing to kill Laura and saying it's fate

The Tower's "Fate" is not real, just like everything in there down to the concept of the Sun and stars itself being nothing but a facsimile, an imitation and nothing like the real thing.

The Towerborns are simply shackled, this is not some grand working of Fate tying them down to oppress their ass AKA what Urek was actually referring to, Fate itself on the Universal scale rather than some fake localized thing.


Baek is free of that.

 

[Demonspeed]

For the tower and towerborn fate is absolutely a thing
And irregular can change it, showing that fate is something choosed and imposed by the tower, so actually Urek is objectively wrong in that exchange with Baek, if the tower still acknowledged Baek as a towerborn, then he do have a fate

Z chatting with baam do imply there a "real" fate

Tough now, im usure if Baam fate is a real fate or just someone strong imposing his will, like Traum choosing to kill Laura and saying it's fate

I think SIU wants to be ambiguous about it but Urek saying fate isn't a thing doesn't mean much since Urek himself is a special being. Someone could easily refute him and say that he can talk this way because he is a special snowflake.
It's kinda similar for Baam too because he is a special being and many people envy him but the story with V might change that.

 

[Rak]

The snake is clearly Pro-Zahard though it might have changed. He accepted to work with Dorothy because he was threatened but he also doesn't believe that they can beat Zahard.

I highly doubt that you can create a Zahard Princess with just some blood. There is more to this. The girl also has to be young.

As for the names, Shin has notes at the end of the chapter.

For all I know, you may be right, but SIU has been very SIU-like and all the stuff about the snake dudes is a confused mess. We don't even know if the mud snake, the snake charmer and the white snake are the same entity.

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I think SIU wants to be ambiguous about it but Urek saying fate isn't a thing doesn't mean much since Urek himself is a special being. Someone could easily refute him and say that he can talk this way because he is a special snowflake.
It's kinda similar for Baam too because he is a special being and many people envy him but the story with V might change that.

About that, I think the irony was that Urek himself is fated. Not in the sense of being scripted from beginning to end, but in the sense of being appointed by the universe. That's why when he told Baek that he was too insignificant to be fated, it also felt as if Urek, as a real fated one, has suffered a lot. This was almost a bit melancholic.

 

[kkck]

I will check later but aren't you confusing fate with "records"? I think it was more about their reality warping powers?

Records?

 

[seNzor1337]

How do Guides tie into all of this then? Baam used to cause Khel's guide a bunch of issues back in the Cage Battle. So then shouldn't Urek outright repel them?

 

[Big-Bird]

The Tower's "Fate" is not real, just like everything in there down to the concept of the Sun and stars itself being nothing but a facsimile, an imitation and nothing like the real thing.

The Towerborns are simply shackled, this is not some grand working of Fate tying them down to oppress their ass AKA what Urek was actually referring to, Fate itself on the Universal scale rather than some fake localized thing.


Baek is free of that.

It’s real for the people born inside it, so I don’t really see the point in calling it fake; the Tower is its own world, with it's own rule , and it’s deterministic, knowing there a otherworld with different rule doesn't make tower less in his territory

Baek is free of that.

Baek is free from the rules of another world that he barely knows, that he’ll never see and where he can’t even live; while the world he live do indeed control his life as long he doesn't leech on Urek fate binding irregular privilege
what a great way to confort someone

 

[SOOKIE!]

It's kinda interesting in a way how the FHs, who can also be seen as tyrants are seen as Guardians of the Tower in a way? In the main story, this side of them is ignored/irrelevant.

I said this before but I'm beginning to think the GW stopped climbing tbh because reaching the next floor meant one of them conquering the tower and absorbing the whole thing within themselves, effectively killing all the friends and family they made on their climb.

I think they came to view tower borns as insects after some traumatic event that forced them to realize that one day the tower would be climbed by someone they can't control and they wouldn't get a say when it's time to say goodbye.

they're sort of trapped in a magical trolley problem because they can either end their own tedious eternal existences or they can save the tower. They have to choose.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

It’s real for the people born inside it, so I don’t really see the point in calling it fake; the Tower is its own world, with it's own rule , and it’s deterministic, knowing there a otherworld with different rule doesn't make tower less in his territory

They're prisoners of their own mind already, almost every last one of them so even the Tower's "Fate" isn't doing the heavy lifting on their oppression.

The Irregulars contribute to it as even more as they also designed the system of their oppression and refined it even further over tens of thousands of years.

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Baek is free from the rules of another world that he barely knows, that he’ll never see and where he can’t even live; while the world he live do indeed control his life as long he doesn't leech on Urek fate binding irregular privilege
what a great way to confort someone

The Tower's "Fate" is not responsible for Baek inheriting the power of an Irregular, this is literally an outside equation not under the Tower's control in the first place because of glaringly obvious reasons.

Baek literally had zero chance to explore or know if he was ever actually tied down, from the get-go it was his father that attached those chains to him and made him fear his own gift.

He doesn't even need a contract with the Admin to use his gift which is described as an actual shackle unlike every other Towerborn we know outside living ignition weapons.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Btw do u guys think we will see tower climbing? Atp I doubt it will be shown, maybe only important floors will be shown? Also how long will be the time skip?

 

[white_light]

Btw do u guys think we will see tower climbing? Atp I doubt it will be shown, maybe only important floors will be shown? Also how long will be the time skip?

I sure hope it'll continue. At the very least I wanna see the realisation of Hansungs S1 bullshit speech of 'everything you desire is at the top' and how disappointing it inevitably will be

 

[Demonspeed]

Btw do u guys think we will see tower climbing? Atp I doubt it will be shown, maybe only important floors will be shown? Also how long will be the time skip?

Yes, people are talking about Arlen etc but the story will still be mostly focused on the Regulars.

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I said this before but I'm beginning to think the GW stopped climbing tbh because reaching the next floor meant one of them conquering the tower and absorbing the whole thing within themselves, effectively killing all the friends and family they made on their climb.

I think they came to view tower borns as insects after some traumatic event that forced them to realize that one day the tower would be climbed by someone they can't control and they wouldn't get a say when it's time to say goodbye.

they're sort of trapped in a magical trolley problem because they can either end their own tedious eternal existences or they can save the tower. They have to choose.

I don't think they stopped climbing mostly because they had good intentions when even Arlen wanted to continue. Zahard stopping his climb means the death of Zahard the Adventurer which was his main trait. It definitely shows that something went wrong with them. We know Zahard made the wrong choice during his Revolution too.

 

[Epic_Rider]

I highly doubt that you can create a Zahard Princess with just some blood. There is more to this. The girl also has to be young.

I think choosing young girls is just so it's easier to propagandize them. Like Yurin said, it's a hard job, an older person would be more apt to refuse.

 

[maverickframe_19]

If Zahard has feelings for Enne he could simply marry her and a lot of issues would be solved. He had no reason to let her get cursed either.

Please don't think one-dimensionally. Obsession can come because of many reasons and not only because of her beauty.

 

[Demonspeed]

Please don't think one-dimensionally. Obsession can come because of many reasons and not only because of her beauty.

There is more to love than beauty, but why would he be obsessed with someone other than Arlen, for something other than love? What does Enne bring to the table?

 

[maverickframe_19]

I believe SIU used that wording to confuse the fans. Arlene is still alive and can return, having found a way out of the tower. Let's say she discovered the exit through one of these rifts, and Baam's cave is also located deep within this rift. A rift can be reopened. Headon, that sly transcendental being, will bring her "whole." This entire do-over plan from V and Arlene is impossible without his approval.

However, that is only for the endgame.

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What does Enne bring to the table?

the truth that the KING is hiding, given he's not the real Zahard according to Enne. We don't know what Zahard did after Enne was sealed.