Lol the more I read arrow's posts the more I feel he is really good at accidentally making a poor choice of words Definitely can be understood as a mafia confused/trying to navigate which traits he must list, but for me I conclude he really just got 2 traits in his PM, one is obedient but does nothing so he isn't bothering with it and the rest is all unfortunate descriptors.
Lol the more I read arrow's posts the more I feel he is really good at accidentally making a poor choice of words Definitely can be understood as a mafia confused/trying to navigate which traits he must list, but for me I conclude he really just got 2 traits in his PM, one is obedient but does nothing so he isn't bothering with it and the rest is all unfortunate descriptors.
I dont know Degojaru so this may just be his personality, but noteworthy is how careful he is in interactions with others, makes an effort not to antagonize.
Tbh I'd be fine with lynching Jinx, Shino, dego, or James atm. Maybe AP because of the James trust over one comment
Gonna go to the supermarket now to pick up my spices, bog roll, etc. and then grab lunch so once I get back I'll put my thoughts into it and see where I sit
Maybe I understood it wrong but to me the bolded part reads like implying both his traits are active and usable, but he intends to use the stronger one most of the time(but may use the weaker one if need be). If it was active + passive why even add a "most of the time if not always", why would you not use your active role? Unless you had another one.
Which in itself isn't weird, I also have 2 active traits that I need to choose between, can only use one at a time. But he only listed those 2, so I wondered whether he forgot/didnt bother listing his obedient passive trait, or mafia who forgot to list it. Someone(maybe Cres) also told me of a post interaction where he now sounded like he had a passive trait, but that also read to me like it isn't just the vanilla obedient trait but another passive trait. So where is the obedient trait?
I expected him to tell me more about it like that he didnt bother to list it and then I can look elsewhere but he just does an odd "no u" post instead.
But I'll leave James stuff be for now and look at others.
I see now where you're coming from. But for me I had a different impression when I read that post of James. And his other post where he talked about passive role supported my first impression. I wasn't sure it's wise to state it directly as it takes away the benefit of the role (ofc that's if my impression is correct, maybe it's not).
I avoided the top voted ones, James for an impression I got from his posts that I didn't state, it could be wrong tho. Wojak I considered voting for but I checked his posts and changed my mind. And I'm not good at reading Nash in general. So I placed a vote for the sake of voting.
I can't see your vote. Make a case if you have one to offer, maybe I change my vote.
Woj: Starting with 2 traits. “Kinda uninteresting” (#8)
Sam: 2 traits (#9); passive and not my preferred type of role for my modern playstyle (#11)
Jinx: 4 traits, all passive (#10); I lose one of mine by the 2nd day (#96)
James: 2 traits, one is pretty strong and the other isn’t (#12)
Arrow: 1 trait( #21); 2 official traits (#49); “Yeah, i have two but i think it is one, because the other one is utterly useless and I think you think same, a vanilla trait.” (#78) Says he has one trait again (#219); says he has an active trait that is like reverse flow in Tower of God, or despell as a trap in Yu-gi-oh, says 2 traits again (#226)
Dd: 2 traits (#22)
Gry: 4 traits, 2 active + 2 passive. (#27)
Marm: 2 traits, 1 active 1 passive (#36); naturally obedient +1 (#48); would shove an entire chocolate orange up her backside (#67)
Demon: 2 traits 1a1p (#54); “my traits are supporting character tier” (#65); one is Naturally Obedient (#146)
Nash: 3 traits, “removing my negative goes fucking hard” (#61)
Shino: 2 traits, one is meh (#62); one is Naturally obedient (#213)
Juviii: 2 traits 1a1p (#80)
Dego: 1 passive trait (#145)
Pige: I have 5 traits, 2 are the same trait (#158); Trait A, Trait B, Trait C, Trait d, Trait d (#161); all 5 are passive (#165)
Lol the more I read arrow's posts the more I feel he is really good at accidentally making a poor choice of words Definitely can be understood as a mafia confused/trying to navigate which traits he must list, but for me I conclude he really just got 2 traits in his PM, one is obedient but does nothing so he isn't bothering with it and the rest is all unfortunate descriptors.
I dont know Degojaru so this may just be his personality, but noteworthy is how careful he is in interactions with others, makes an effort not to antagonize.
Tbh I'd be fine with lynching Jinx, Shino, dego, or James atm. Maybe AP because of the James trust over one comment
Gonna go to the supermarket now to pick up my spices, bog roll, etc. and then grab lunch so once I get back I'll put my thoughts into it and see where I sit
Also I was waiting for marma and Sam to vote but are y’all going to wait til the end or something? mainly because I had a good feeling for you guys. But San is this a play change or something? I don’t remember you holding out all day to vote?
I don't think I'll get very far with my deductions if I'm only worrying about what people have trait-wise so I'm not going to lean too heavily on that in making calls on my vote today, but there are a few things I'd like to just write here as I work through my thoughts so here we go:
Firstly, just on the trait comp, while a couple of the outlier comps worry me (Jinx with 4 passives, AP with 5 passives, and Nash with 3), it wouldn't surprise me if there are scum amongst the 2-trait people (who are myself, wojak, James, AAAAAAman, arrow, Marm, semendemon, shinose, and josh). Traits alone won't tell us much but I think its worth noting that Wojak's hint is a bit subjective in comparison to others while Juviii arriving late to claim 1a1p has the potential to be her mirroring what she might have observed to be a trend.
Now, to follow up, general things of note from this dayphase so far are:
1. Grames (Gry v James).
Kicked off with Gry giving James a 2nd vote (1st was a nothingburger first post vote from dd), James got on the defensive immediately. Or should I say offensive? He certainly kicked off with Gry and made a post that started off reading okay only to get sloppier as it went on. This did make me think a bit poorer of James because of how poorly it was written, but defending himself solely through criticism of Gry rather than asking for specifics on Gry's qualms with him, or offering further explanation tells me that he got flustered because he was top voted at that stage. Is James potentially non-town? Yes. Is this enough to lynch him for? No, even if it is day 1.
Conclusion: Gry reads better than James in his initial post and then follow-up to James' post. I think this is probably a case of one townie voting for another townie who then proceeded to shit himself out of shock.
2. Nani the fork (Jinx)
Next up on my list of talking points is the returning Jinx. If there was a mafia game dictionary then she'd be in the definition for things like "chaos agent", "unpredictable", and a variety of other things. In a way, this is the same Jinx of old that is back amongst us. In a way that's reassuring, but in a way it also spikes my anxiety because she's capable of anything so I am naturally concerned especially when she's super chirpy because that can usually spell trouble. She's discussed things a bit which has been all well and good, but some of her interactions are where I feel like she's insincere. Case in point, the newbie glaze. A lot of that was unwarranted imo and just looked like her trying to butter people up, or curry favour if you will. New players are going to be more impressionable so it might be deliberate. The other thing to note is her not voting yet. This isn't a red flag in of itself, but when she ties it to waiting on others which she has done, it reads to me like she'd rather follow and then pin the blame if a lynch goes wrong. Also concerning is her talking about why considering other people (or spreading the vote as she put it) when there are multiple top-voted; to me, it feels like a narrow way of thinking when we should be discussing our options to determine the best choice.
3. The newbies (Arrow and dego)
I'm a bit mixed on these two so far. Arrow can't count to 2 but their engagement has been good in discussing things and talking earnestly, while dego seems to be trying to not step on any toes and not do too much so they don't stick out. I think Arrow is fine right now, but dego not so much, and new or not I wouldn't be against voting for them if it came down to it because there's not a lot there that reads as strong or as convincing as I'd like. Could be first time jitters but they might be scum and thus extra jittery. So I'll be watching them.
4. Other points of interest
- Semondemon is claiming they are support oriented which I don't mind at all. It's clear that they've got direction and of the trait talk I think its one of the better bits of detail that has been shared as it isn't as subjective as others.
- Marm reads well so far which is a change. Might mean she's red because I usually misread Marm, but I'll let that one ride for now because there's other things that are more concerning. Erin isn't playing this game so I lack a push target if I ever want to push someone for shits and giggles, but I'd rather not revert to Marm because shelving a whole chocolate orange when she's as tall as that Mexican micro wrestler KeMonito is impressive work. "That's an incredible feat" - @Brandish μ, probably.
- Shino feels a bit of a non-factor even though she's been here and talking which is a bit odd. I'd think she might make a bit more of a colourful impression either way but she's very... beige.
- AP hasn't done much. The trait claim is way different than anything else which sets him apart- maybe a good thing? What I don't like is how easily he trusted James, or dickrode Nash's vote on Wojak which in itself felt like it was based on very little at all.
- Wojak is okay to me; I'd like him to be a bit clearer about his traits because the way he's valuing them in his talk is rather subjective so something a bit more substantial would be good.
- Nash is Nash. I read Nash as town atm but they certainly can go either way. It might be a coincidence but her avi is the only one to have others in the back which makes me wonder if that's connected to her traits at all. If I'm seeing things then I need an eye test.
- Not much to say about Josh (Juviii). Some of the talk is okay but she's also just treading water imo. She didn't answer the chocolate question either so that's -10000 social credit.
- dd is here but not doing much. All I can say is that's dd regardless of alignment.
With all of that said, before I go to a vote, let's do a trust totem...
Leaning town: Marm the chocolate orange shelver Gry the kitkat chunky shelver Arrow the man who can't count to 2 demon of the semen, probably plays support in overwatch but lets his teammates die
-@SirSamuel016 do you have night owl trait? I think you do. You are also writing on very low information content with a very high volume. There must be a reason behind this, maybe a trait or specific task. Furthermore, a lot of people (includin me) really thinking through, i don't think thry just casually put votes. But the way @Crescent Jinx said that to you on spreading votes was peculiar.
-"My one trait, my another trait" is a figure of speech of "one of my traits".
-@SirSamuel016 do you have night owl trait? I think you do. You are also writing on very low information content with a very high volume. There must be a reason behind this, maybe a trait or specific task.
Furthermore, a lot of people (includin me) really thinking through, i don't think thry just casually put votes. But the way @Crescent Jinx said that to you on spreading votes was peculiar.
Yes, I think some are taking the time to properly think it through. Jinx sounds like she's trying to frame that as attempts to spread votes like people should just jump on the top voted without a thought.
I’m kind of waiting to see who Sam and Marma vote for but also is this going to be one of the D1 where the vote is spread so far wide that someone gets lynched by 2-3 votes at EoD? Or are we going to try a D1 train?
-@SirSamuel016 do you have night owl trait? I think you do. You are also writing on very low information content with a very high volume. There must be a reason behind this, maybe a trait or specific task. Furthermore, a lot of people (includin me) really thinking through, i don't think thry just casually put votes. But the way @Crescent Jinx said that to you on spreading votes was peculiar.
-"My one trait, my another trait" is a figure of speech of "one of my traits".
So what I meant by spreading the vote -> happens when there’s so many people up for lynch and it takes only a small number of people to actually lynch someone -> wondered if the remaining voters were going to vote someone already on the list or if they would add a new person to the list
it’s weird because I would want to vote one of the lesser talking ones like Shinobi but there’s more merit on starting wagon and see what people do in the last hour
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Oh we are still 3 hours out. I was thinking it was 2 hours
Definitely can be understood as a mafia confused/trying to navigate which traits he must list, but for me I conclude he really just got 2 traits in his PM, one is obedient but does nothing so he isn't bothering with it and the rest is all unfortunate descriptors.
that was completely on point 
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