Chapter Mokushiroku no Yonkishi Chapter 256 Spoilers & Discussion

[Yakkun]

Lance's magic power is what it is but relative to that lake-powered magic, doesn't he have a bit of a glass chin?

 

[Mountain-Photo-165]

Lance's magic power is what it is but relative to that lake-powered magic, doesn't he have a bit of a glass chin?

The fact that Lancelot has to use a magic field to protect himself from the Demon King's miasma shows that he inherited absolutely none of his dad's Purgatory-hardened genes.

Lancelot is ultimately just a regular human-fairy hybrid; it is 'Hazy Moon' that makes him so absurdly strong and places him on his father's physical level.

While Ban possesses enormous physical strength, that strength does not come from magic, since physical stats and magical power are entirely separate.

Lancelot's physical strength, on the other hand, comes entirely from his magic.

He can power up for sure and I'm afraid that's what he's gonna do next chapter.

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Imagine Chaos Lancelot powering up next chapter and his Hazy Moon turns dark ?

Some of us seems to have forgotten that Lancelot can power up like he did against Carthur and Nanashi , next chapter gonna be crazy.

 

[kkck]

As far as how NNT measures PL strength and magic are separate stats but it would be inaccurate to say strength in this case isn't some form of magic. When merlin stole meliodas' magic his strength went from... hundreds of thousands to somewhere in the 3000s. And this while in all scenarios most of meliodas' PL is on the strength side of things. Basically the system makes no sense and nakaba has never told us how lancelot's stats are distributed. And even if nakaba went through the trouble of telling us lancelot's pl and stat distribution it'd be pointless because he has a lake of infinite mana inside of him. As in, the information would not be useful in contextualizing anything at all. The entire power level system in this series is basically "rule of cool" gone extremely wrong. Even fairy tale make more sense.

 

[Yakkun]

As far as how NNT measures PL strength and magic are separate stats but it would be inaccurate to say strength in this case isn't some form of magic. When merlin stole meliodas' magic his strength went from... hundreds of thousands to somewhere in the 3000s. And this while in all scenarios most of meliodas' PL is on the strength side of things. Basically the system makes no sense and nakaba has never told us how lancelot's stats are distributed. And even if nakaba went through the trouble of telling us lancelot's pl and stat distribution it'd be pointless because he has a lake of infinite mana inside of him. As in, the information would not be useful in contextualizing anything at all. The entire power level system in this series is basically "rule of cool" gone extremely wrong. Even fairy tale make more sense.

The PL system was faulty even in NNT. Especially towards the end when multiple characters had very hax and meta abilities, the stat distinctions blurred to the point the system became obsolete. Even upon introduction Nakaba had Gowther state that the stat system didn't account for things like intelligence, experience and state of mind. It stopped nearly no-one from taking it very literally, tho.

It now raises the question if and why it should still be taken into account in 4KotA when it has been done away with for good reason.

 

[Covers]

Idc about him getting drawn in by ON. He was coughing blood from a single Zeldris’s kick bruh. That’s the greatest downscale.
Ain’t no way in hell Zeldris is damaging ban like that.





No matter what is happening next chapter no one is crying cuz no one actually think Zeldris is winning. But even when that will happen it will not change the fact that Lancelot’s physicals stats bare speed are not top tier level. Everyone knows(I do at least) that Lancelot will beat Zeldris but that will be through magic, not through physical strength.


Using the mental fight would be better than this argument bruh.
Is Diane doing this to Chandler characters level ?

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it’s not bad bro let’s be serious. Zeldris HAS TO and will be defeated here.

Image comparing that weak piece to the Demon King Sighing Sage:


1. Only Ban can handle it nukes due to it's durability.

Ludo and the others would've died had the nukes landed.

2. That same hand was blocking Diane, King and Mael attacks and damaged Ban

3. The same monster that was beating Zeldris before he used Omnñinious Nebula.

Stop being a retard.

 

[Rey151203]

Lancelot's divine level isn't credible and is full of fallacies at the moment; if only Zeldris could transform into Indura, we could see this in practice.

Perhaps Zeldris' Indura is the most powerful of all, and perhaps it's on par with his father's and still maintain control and awareness in the transformation(I'm delusional here).

 

[Vortigern]

This chapter appears to be somewhat controversial, but personally I found it predictable. Zeldris is the strongest opponent that Lancelot has ever faced in a serious battle and serves as a good warm-up before the eventual confrontation with Ban. What's more, this is Zeldris's first and potentially only real fight in the sequel, so it's necessary for him to show off his abilities for the sake of any readers who aren't familiar with NnT. That's why one of the demons conveniently explained Ominous Nebula to his buddies and by extension the audience. The Lancelot fanboys who were expecting this to be completely one-sided are delusional. People need to stop paying so much attention to empty hype. What's going to happen is that Zeldris will keep Lancelot busy long enough for his people to evacuate to the Abyss, at which point he'll be overpowered just in time for the second Indura to come in to give him an opportunity to retreat. By the time Lancelot is done with the Indura the demons will all have fled to safety and tragedy will have largely been avoided. The only question is whether this commotion is going to wake up Behemoth and give Lancelot an even bigger monster to deal with.

As for the fight itself, Zeldris tanking a Shining Road and then recovering with the help of demon regeneration is similar to Nanashi using goddess healing to survive a hit. I wonder if giants could pull off something similar with a high level Heavy Metal? Nakaba also seemingly established another drawback to Shining Road with how Zeldris was able to repeatedly interrupt it by drawing Lancelot towards him. Does Lancelot have to remain stationary in order to use the technique or is there something else going on? I could see Ban taking advantage of this same weakness as well, although with his absurd durability he could conceivably just shrug off a blow or two with minimal damage. Anyway, judging by the title of the next chapter it sounds like things are going to get more intense. If I had to guess I'd say Zeldris gets pushed to the brink of death and then bounces back because of his love for Gelda, hopefully with a new ability.

Gelda's recent remark about how Elizabeth was likely happy to sacrifice herself for the sake of her lover could also be of some importance here in the context of Guinevere, who has so far been a useless damsel in distress who only ends up causing more problems for her man. Could Gelda figure out Guinevere's role in all of this based on Lancelot's mumbling and then motivate the girl into action? Recall that when the DK was possessing Zeldris's body she was able to enter their inner world via a bite:

Spoiler

Doing the same thing here could theoretically allow her to meet Guinevere or at least the Lady of the Lake within Lancelot and maybe convince them to start resisting him. Landing a bite on Chaos-Lancelot is of course easier said than done, but the same could be said of the DK as well. Back then she needed the Sins to create an opening for her so perhaps Zeldris could similarly distract Lancelot for a moment.

Isn't it interesting that Zeldris mentioned Lancelot's aura, or 'Hazy Moon,' reminds him of the Lake?

This makes me wonder: maybe what we've been calling 'Hazy Moon' all this time isn't actually Hazy Moon, but just Lancelot flexing his Lake powers?

Who's we?

A relevant side question here is Lancelot's magic absorption. Some people believe this to be part of Hazy Moon but I'm more inclined to believe it comes from the LotL. We've seen the absorption be likened to water on multiple occasions now, which is a pretty obvious nod to the lake's power to absorb magic that was already established back in NnT. Nanashi even seemed to recognize the power upon seeing it, something that only makes sense if he had already seen or at least heard of it before. It would also be a strange coincidence for Lancelot to randomly end up with two identical abilities.

Just leaving this here.

The chapter exists to make Zeldris look cool and competent. I'm not being fooled. If your trade-off for your to-date strongest attack is a slightly busted lip on your opponent you got no right to boast.

To be fair Ominous Nebula has never been a particularly damaging technique. Even Gilthunder managed to a survive two hits from it despite him being an ordinary human that the likes of the TC could easily one-shot with unnamed attacks. The thing that makes Ominous Nebula so dangerous is that it's difficult to disable so the targets just end up getting hit over and over again without being able to escape or resist. The technique is essentially a giant blender. Some of the solid food may bounce off of the blades a few times, but eventually it'll all be ground down.

debate me then

I think Rey kinda won this one by not engaging.

 

[Yakkun]

Lancelot's divine level isn't credible and is full of fallacies at the moment; if only Zeldris could transform into Indura, we could see this in practice.

Perhaps Zeldris' Indura is the most powerful of all, and perhaps it's on par with his father's and still maintain control and awareness in the transformation(I'm delusional here).

Zeldris going Indura is a guaranteed death move and whether Nakaba wants to kill him off is something the jury still is out for.

 

[MeliodasDeUzy]

This chapter appears to be somewhat controversial, but personally I found it predictable. Zeldris is the strongest opponent that Lancelot has ever faced in a serious battle and serves as a good warm-up before the eventual confrontation with Ban. What's more, this is Zeldris's first and potentially only real fight in the sequel, so it's necessary for him to show off his abilities for the sake of any readers who aren't familiar with NnT. That's why one of the demons conveniently explained Ominous Nebula to his buddies and by extension the audience. The Lancelot fanboys who were expecting this to be completely one-sided are delusional. People need to stop paying so much attention to empty hype. What's going to happen is that Zeldris will keep Lancelot busy long enough for his people to evacuate to the Abyss, at which point he'll be overpowered just in time for the second Indura to come in to give him an opportunity to retreat. By the time Lancelot is done with the Indura the demons will all have fled to safety and tragedy will have largely been avoided. The only question is whether this commotion is going to wake up Behemoth and give Lancelot an even bigger monster to deal with.

As for the fight itself, Zeldris tanking a Shining Road and then recovering with the help of demon regeneration is similar to Nanashi using goddess healing to survive a hit. I wonder if giants could pull off something similar with a high level Heavy Metal? Nakaba also seemingly established another drawback to Shining Road with how Zeldris was able to repeatedly interrupt it by drawing Lancelot towards him. Does Lancelot have to remain stationary in order to use the technique or is there something else going on? I could see Ban taking advantage of this same weakness as well, although with his absurd durability he could conceivably just shrug off a blow or two with minimal damage. Anyway, judging by the title of the next chapter it sounds like things are going to get more intense. If I had to guess I'd say Zeldris gets pushed to the brink of death and then bounces back because of his love for Gelda, hopefully with a new ability.

Gelda's recent remark about how Elizabeth was likely happy to sacrifice herself for the sake of her lover could also be of some importance here in the context of Guinevere, who has so far been a useless damsel in distress who only ends up causing more problems for her man. Could Gelda figure out Guinevere's role in all of this based on Lancelot's mumbling and then motivate the girl into action? Recall that when the DK was possessing Zeldris's body she was able to enter their inner world via a bite:

Spoiler

Doing the same thing here could theoretically allow her to meet Guinevere or at least the Lady of the Lake within Lancelot and maybe convince them to start resisting him. Landing a bite on Chaos-Lancelot is of course easier said than done, but the same could be said of the DK as well. Back then she needed the Sins to create an opening for her so perhaps Zeldris could similarly distract Lancelot for a moment.


Who's we?

Just leaving this here.


To be fair Ominous Nebula has never been a particularly damaging technique. Even Gilthunder managed to a survive two hits from it despite him being an ordinary human that the likes of the TC could easily one-shot with unnamed attacks. The thing that makes Ominous Nebula so dangerous is that it's difficult to disable so the targets just end up getting hit over and over again without being able to escape or resist. The technique is essentially a giant blender. Some of the solid food may bounce off of the blades a few times, but eventually it'll all be ground down.



I think Rey kinda won this one by not engaging.

they welcome to try, chaos lancelot destroys verse

 

[Rey151203]

Lancelot is ultimately just a regular human-fairy hybrid; it is 'Hazy Moon' that makes him so absurdly strong and places him on his father's physical level

No, Lancelot is a human superior to others thanks to Ban's genetics; this is confirmed by the author. He's just not a hyperhuman like Ban, but he has physical abilities beyond those of normal humans.

 

[Covers]

Lancelot's divine level isn't credible and is full of fallacies at the moment; if only Zeldris could transform into Indura, we could see this in practice.

Perhaps Zeldris' Indura is the most powerful of all, and perhaps it's on par with his father's and still maintain control and awareness in the transformation(I'm delusional here).

Chaos Lancelot will be always nerfed:

That is the only way they can defeat him.

This happens when you combine the two strongest character into one.

Remember what Galahad said...that no one's truly know how strong is Lancelot due to him holding back against people close to him was it?

 

[Rey151203]

Gelda's recent remark about how Elizabeth was likely happy to sacrifice herself for the sake of her lover could also be of some importance here in the context of Guinevere, who has so far been a useless damsel in distress who only ends up causing more problems for her man. Could Gelda figure out Guinevere's role in all of this based on Lancelot's mumbling and then motivate the girl into action? Recall that when the DK was possessing Zeldris's body she was able to enter their inner world via a bite:

Spoiler

Doing the same thing here could theoretically allow her to meet Guinevere or at least the Lady of the Lake within Lancelot and maybe convince them to start resisting him. Landing a bite on Chaos-Lancelot is of course easier said than done, but the same could be said of the DK as well. Back then she needed the Sins to create an opening for her so perhaps Zeldris could similarly distract Lancelot for a moment.

That's something interesting.

And this could be a future technique of Percival as well, connecting with the spirit of a person's life by entering their mental world.

Maybe a result of ironside training.

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Zeldris going Indura is a guaranteed death move and whether Nakaba wants to kill him off is something the jury still is out for.

If he stayed in control, it would be interesting.

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That is the only way they can defeat him.

This happens when you combine the two strongest character into one.

Remember what Galahad said...that no one's truly know how strong is Lancelot due to him holding back against people close to him was it?

Demon King and supreme deity>> cath and Lancelot
Without chaos, he is inferior to the gods, that's a fact, and considering a future without major threats, his level sin is enough for him to be the strongest there.

 

[Covers]

That's something interesting.

And this could be a future technique of Percival as well, connecting with the spirit of a person's life by entering their mental world.

Maybe a result of ironside training.

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If he stayed in control, it would be interesting.

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Demon King and supreme deity>> cath and Lancelot
Without chaos, he is inferior to the gods, that's a fact, and considering a future without major threats, his level sin is enough for him to be the strongest there.

Lancelot with his true ST is > DK/SD.

Arthur even with Chaos back is weaker than Lancelot.

Now that is fact.

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We might get early spoilers this friday fue to holiday.

 

[Mountain-Photo-165]

No, Lancelot is a human superior to others thanks to Ban's genetics; this is confirmed by the author. He's just not a hyperhuman like Ban, but he has physical abilities beyond those of normal humans.

Confirmed where ?

 

[Capalot98]

Lancelot with his true ST is > DK/SD.

Arthur even with Chaos back is weaker than Lancelot.

Now that is fact.

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We might get early spoilers this friday fue to holiday.

Nah that’s not a fact, there has never been a statement about how strong Arthur would be if he had all of chaos. We already know based off Cath and Lancelot that each host of chaos is different and their strength varies.

People assume that since Cath admitted inferiority to Lancelot even with all of Chaos that this automatically applies to Arthur as well but that was never said anywhere. Even when Merlin also agreed that Cath wouldn’t be a strong as Lancelot with all of Chaos she didn’t apply this same statement to Arthur and made it strictly about Cath.

Even going back to chapter 238 Merlin clearly said only Arthur can be the true host for Chaos meaning both Cath and Lancelot are inferior host in comparison. Arthur as the king of chaos is the only one who can use chaos to its full potential so it is very possibly and likely that Arthur with all of chaos would be the strongest character in the entire series

 

[Covers]

Nah that’s not a fact, there has never been a statement about how strong Arthur would be if he had all of chaos. We already know based off Cath and Lancelot that each host of chaos is different and their strength varies.

People assume that since Cath admitted inferiority to Lancelot even with all of Chaos that this automatically applies to Arthur as well but that was never said anywhere. Even when Merlin also agreed that Cath wouldn’t be a strong as Lancelot with all of Chaos she didn’t apply this same statement to Arthur and made it strictly about Cath.

Even going back to chapter 238 Merlin clearly said only Arthur can be the true host for Chaos meaning both Cath and Lancelot are inferior host in comparison. Arthur as the king of chaos is the only one who can use chaos to its full potential so it is very possibly and likely that Arthur with all of chaos would be the strongest character in the entire series

Lancelot is the only one stated to be able to defeat Galahad according to him in the future.

Also the only one who can easily defeat him too.

Idk what happened to Arthur in the future ..either Chaos doesn't exist anymore and the good guys only have the Holy Grail or something.

Or Arthur with Full Chaos was never that strong.

 

[Mountain-Photo-165]

Spoiler: [Theory] Hazy Moon is the ability to release tracking magic that locks onto targets and its default target is Lancelot himself.

 

[Rey151203]

Lancelot with his true ST is > DK/SD.

Arthur even with Chaos back is weaker than Lancelot.

Now that is fact.

Only with the Shining road hypothetical, his remaining arsenal is weak.

Isn't a fact, it's a funny joke.

The fact that you think that is already funny.

To think that Lancelot is more powerful than Arthur full chaos is idiotic.

 

[Mountain-Photo-165]

Having only the Shining ability in his remaining arsenal is weak.

Isn't a fact, it's a funny joke.

The fact that you think that is already funny.

To think that Lancelot is more powerful than Arthur full chaos is idiotic.

Lancelot can use weapons to enhance his stream.of magic ,thus enhancing his physical strength.

 

[Covers]

Isn't a fact, it's a funny joke.

The fact that you think that is already funny.

So the Lady of the Lake was wrong, it's hype about FP shinning road being > Nemesis, Cath, Meliodas, Tristan, Ban, Merlin...etc are wrong but you're right.

Gotcha

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Only with the Shining road hypothetical, his remaining arsenal is weak.

Isn't a fact, it's a funny joke.

The fact that you think that is already funny.

To think that Lancelot is more powerful than Arthur full chaos is idiotic.

So why Galahad says only Lancelot can defeat him.

I mean future Arthur has full chaos back isn't.