Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1198 Spoiler Discussion

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Yeah, I agree. That's why I hope he will wake up like half way through and go back to fighting Imu. Though it's curious that he went after Zaza specificly. Mayby instincts were suggesting him that he have to stop her first before she successfully kidnap the children? Killingham probably ordered her to get children that weren't saved yet to the ship. But that won't help much because even if Sommers is still alive he won't be able to finish the mission. Anyway I kinda feel like Luffy losing control for a second already happened once before. I recently finished rewatching Wano and back when G5 first awakened Luffy forgot what even happened to him before that but he immedietly regained control and get back to fighting Kaido. This time may be little bit more complicated but I'm sure things will go back to normal because either someone will help him wake up or will do that on his own by remembering his current goals.



Btw, I'm still not disapointed with Loki. He's beaten badly so things would go diffrently if he WASN'T. Also I think he just waited bit too long with turning into hybrid form. He was fighting quite long both in his regular form and dragon form so he's probably just running out of steam. Yeah, I kinda wish he could regulate his power level better because like he said it himself being THIS big can be problematic. Honestly it would be very helpful for him if he really could shrink to make it easier to fight small opponents or limit damage caused by his attacks.
Dont be surprised if he start destroying and attacking giants too.. usually these kinds of uncontrolled transformations. are made to showcase super powers.. disregarding Enemies or Allies


He can be a god of Liberation in G5 or a God of destruction in Full uncontrolled Zoan Mode..
 
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Dont be surprised if he start destroying and attacking giants too.. usually these kinds of uncontrolled transformations. are made to showcase super powers.. disregarding Enemies or Allies


He can be a god of Liberation in G5 or a God of destruction in Full uncontrolled Zoan Mode..
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised by that but honestly I don't want to see another rampaging monkey. Espesially not at this very moment.


Btw, it's kinda weird that nobody seem to feel Luffy just getting somewhere else to fight a diffrent fight for some reason. If he doesn't control himself then he should leak haki like crazy. Unless he changed soo much that noone can recognize him. Though since Gaban commented on actual type of Luffys fruit it seems like he DID noticed and is worried that he may lose to will of Nika fruit.
 

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Yeah, I agree. That's why I hope he will wake up like half way through and go back to fighting Imu. Though it's curious that he went after Zaza specificly. Mayby instincts were suggesting him that he have to stop her first before she successfully kidnap the children? Killingham probably ordered her to get children that weren't saved yet to the ship. But that won't help much because even if Sommers is still alive he won't be able to finish the mission. Anyway I kinda feel like Luffy losing control for a second already happened once before. I recently finished rewatching Wano and back when G5 first awakened Luffy forgot what even happened to him before that but he immedietly regained control and get back to fighting Kaido. This time may be little bit more complicated but I'm sure things will go back to normal because either someone will help him wake up or will do that on his own by remembering his current goals.



Btw, I'm still not disapointed with Loki. He's beaten badly so things would go diffrently if he WASN'T. Also I think he just waited bit too long with turning into hybrid form. He was fighting quite long both in his regular form and dragon form so he's probably just running out of steam. Yeah, I kinda wish he could regulate his power level better because like he said it himself being THIS big can be problematic. Honestly it would be very helpful for him if he really could shrink to make it easier to fight small opponents or limit damage caused by his attacks.
I hope you’re right and that he wakes up halfway through to reassert himself. In Wano, it did seem like he blanked for a second and was more in it for the fun, but he immediately made it clear it was still him just as you said. If I’m to guess where Oda is going with this, I think Luffy was removed from this fight so that when the situation in the Underworld becomes critical, with either Loki or Hajrudin about to die, he’ll swoop in and save the day. I’m also guessing that Imu will call him Nika this time instead of Joyboy, and then he’ll declare that he is Luffy and fight on par with him.

The Zaza point is fair. Instinct or curiosity could be steering him there, since he did notice something the last time we saw him a few chapters ago. But if we do get confirmation that there’s still some form of agency in him even though it seems like he’s purely functioning on instinct, that would put this issue to bed.

On Loki, I agree. He is NOT a disappointment at all. According to WorstGenHQ, his hybrid form fought Imu's current transformed state for quite some time, and Oda only cut to the fight when Imu was about to deal the final blow. Imu also praised Loki too. He is certainly not a fraud, and he has the best endurance to boot. If only he could shrink…
 

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So Sanji did not do his job... he still loses imo if the kids are on the boat.

Sun wukong Luffy seems like a bust... we're still going to have limitations on him aren't we?
 

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So Sanji did not do his job... he still loses imo if the kids are on the boat.

Sun wukong Luffy seems like a bust... we're still going to have limitations on him aren't we?
On these uncontrolled Rampages?.. i dont think so... and i doubt he could use any Rubber or Toon Like nika powers.. he is just a giant Monkey in a blind rage against whateaver it picks his interests..is not Luffy anymore.. same as Kid goku turning into Ozaru...

but other than Brute Force..Bites.. stomps... punchs, and Jumps, i dont expect much.
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Lol Mugiwaras are Dangerous.. wherever they go.. Apocalypse follow.. for that Island
 

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Imu raises his own death flags and I still don't think its going to be by Luffys hands. I wonder if BBs Black Hole is capable of trapping Imu here on the lower realm and keeping him from teleporting away? Kind of exactly the thing his cunning self would do after Imu is spent.
 

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On these uncontrolled Rampages?.. i dont think so... and i doubt he could use any Rubber or Toon Like nika powers.. he is just a giant Monkey in a blind rage against whateaver it picks his interests..is not Luffy anymore.. same as Kid goku turning into Ozaru...

but other than Brute Force..Bites.. stomps... punchs, and Jumps, i dont expect much.
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Lol Mugiwaras are Dangerous.. wherever they go.. Apocalypse follow.. for that Island
It's a very classic trope to have an uncontrolled rage transformation early on. But I'm having an uncontrolled rage transform for how long all this gets dragged on. Why even go there now?
 

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My bet for next cp are
1199 - God of Destruction Mode vs Imu 3 form
1200 - Imu get deported when Killingham and Sommers die
1201 - Hybrid Loki vs God of Destruction Nika
1202-1204 > Shanks get to the island
1205 end of year and maybe last chapter of the year - end of Elbaf arc !
 

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It's a very classic trope to have an uncontrolled rage transformation early on. But I'm having an uncontrolled rage transform for how long all this gets dragged on. Why even go there now?
Yeah I agree on that. This would make sense when G5 got awakened first time in Wano but it feels out of place now. Sure, Luffy blacked out for a second like I mentioned it before but this thing right now seem completly diffrent. Why let Luffy go on uncontrolable rampage or even show us possibility that Luffy may become mindless animal like those guards at Impel Down at such advanced stage of the story? I mean I'm sure things will be fine but seriously, why now?
 

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Yeah I agree on that. This would make sense when G5 got awakened first time in Wano but it feels out of place now. Sure, Luffy blacked out for a second like I mentioned it before but this thing right now seem completly diffrent. Why let Luffy go on uncontrolable rampage or even show us possibility that Luffy may become mindless animal like those guards at Impel Down at such advanced stage of the story? I mean I'm sure things will be fine but seriously, why now?
I think Oda will do the great battle - it's a good way to put Luffy vs Loki - since Imu won't be 100% defeated right now, and killingham and Sommers defeat will be the trigger for his departure to Mary Geoise - then , the last danger will be the God of Destructuon Nika, we could even have a straw hat vs Luffy right now !
 

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I think Oda will do the great battle - it's a good way to put Luffy vs Loki - since Imu won't be 100% defeated right now, and killingham and Sommers defeat will be the trigger for his departure to Mary Geoise - then , the last danger will be the God of Destructuon Nika, we could even have a straw hat vs Luffy right now !
But so far.. even hybrid Loki doesnt seems to be enought and he is insanelyyy powerful.. ¿ What more can he do by himself while Luffy is away ?
 

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But so far.. even hybrid Loki doesnt seems to be enought and he is insanelyyy powerful.. ¿ What more can he do by himself while Luffy is away ?
Yeah, I'm sure Luffy will come back to his senses soon enough. Because if he won't Loki may die here due to fact that he's deffinetly at his limit. But alternatively since Imu seemed to show interest in fighting Luffy despit fact that he also said he need to go back it may happen that Luffy will "get the zoomies" out on him and then return to normal. Then Luffy will finally learn that he's in fact a zoan which may start short training arc. You know, because Luffy need to learn how to better use his power so he won't lose control again. Mainly because it's diffrent power than he thought it is. Btw, it's such a shame that it was Franky who seen mural not Luffy. Mayby it would clear things out even for rubbery knucklehead like him. 😅
 

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I suppose it's convenient that when luffy turns into what tentatively is the nika of destruction loki is not around to see it. Still sounds like luffy got taken over by his fruit.
 

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Yeah, I'm sure Luffy will come back to his senses soon enough. Because if he won't Loki may die here due to fact that he's deffinetly at his limit. But alternatively since Imu seemed to show interest in fighting Luffy despit fact that he also said he need to go back it may happen that Luffy will "get the zoomies" out on him and then return to normal. Then Luffy will finally learn that he's in fact a zoan which may start short training arc. You know, because Luffy need to learn how to better use his power so he won't lose control again. Mainly because it's diffrent power than he thought it is. Btw, it's such a shame that it was Franky who seen mural not Luffy. Mayby it would clear things out even for rubbery knucklehead like him. 😅
Maybe Gks deaths.. or the simple fact of Imu's reaching a time limit can cause a weakening or opening for Loki


However i have troubles thinking.. Zoro and Sanji.. can outright murder the Gks in a cold and merciless way... maybe.. something like they being simple vaporized or turned into skeletons just cause they hit the heart.. can soft him up..

Is not like i expect them to die...vomiting blood..
 

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But so far.. even hybrid Loki doesnt seems to be enought and he is insanelyyy powerful.. ¿ What more can he do by himself while Luffy is away ?
Hybrid Loki wasn't made to win over Imu, but like LOKI himself, it was made to show us the real power of the F.V of One Piece verse - but - Hybrid Loki + S.H could be ENOUGHT to stop a rampage Luffy in his 2 stage of Geear 5, specially after Luffy got almost killed in 1188-1189 - - after all elbaf arc - if you look closely Oda is saving the S.H (Jinbe specially i could say) and the Lily weapon could be actually something that helps LUFFY take control over his fruit actually - so in my opnion it will be this sequence

Luffy god of destruction mode vs Imu - and it will be a "drawn" UNTIL - Zoro and Sanji win over Killingham and Sommers ( i think that both will encounter themself in the middle and actually - Sanji will delivery de final blow to Sommers and Zoro to Killinhham, both together) and THEM Imu will bail out to M.G again

Luffy crazy will fight against everyone UNTIL his stamina is deplted OR - until Shanks himself appear - this is what i think.
And one of my motives behind this is bc Elbaf until now it's a mix of Sabaody, Impel Down AND - Marineford -
We had a legend from the past, the W.G Top Tiers coming to fight ( Sabaody it was Kizaru Admiral)- them a "journey" to free someone that is currently imprisioned (Impel Down was Ace - now we had Loki) and Marineford bc of the sheer scale of this fight/war against the absolute leader of the W.G - in the end of Marineford - Jinbe saved Luffy and Shanks appeard- so it's my guess.

It was pretty clear that Hybrid Loki was build exactly as Loki in 1183 against Imu.
 
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Also this fight seems like only fight with Luffy against Imu. This doesn’t look like initial bout before the right one happen in Mariejois, this feels like final fight. My guess is Blackbeard will take advantage of the situation and he already waits in Mariejois, ready to steal Imu’s power while he’s weakened
 

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sooooooo....what just happens? And thats a legit question.
So both Gods Knigths have run away in cowardice, and we dont even know if Summers is the only one slain? At least the Gods Knights are showing to be the cowards I hoped they were. Nothing more satisfying then wretches like them being so pathetic. Although something tells me that only Garling and Shamrock, are the one and only non-cowards of the group, frustrating. But not as frustrating as the fact Imu wont be weakened now.
Nor over the fact that Luffy really did turn into a "monkey" form that many theoriezed? Well now begs the question is this truly the "destroyer" form of Nika or has Luffy becuase of his own desperation, idocy or exhaustion just lost the battle of control over his Zoan transformation. Of course it must always be the GOOD GUYS that loses control not the bad guys.....sigh.
Either way even if this form really IS teh form that can deal with Imu, I am starting to suffer from arc fatigue. Because at this rate now it looks like the good guys will have another problem to deal with, probly. Which could be a rampaging Luffy, maybe. which will only expand this arc. but hopefully finally teach Luffy to LISTEN.
 

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An Ancient technology and vegapunk is on elbaph, this won't turn out good for the WG
 
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