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[SirSamuel016]

Oh Pom was mafia janitor last game

It really does check out

 

[Lady pompom]

Simple role, I suppose she might've meant standard.

If she was red in a previous life and killed then I suppose it does check out that she'd do the opposite

Maybe it is indeed a bear lynch day

Yes, Thank you.

 

[Copy Panda]

I'm still a bit surprised you of all people suspect me at this stage. Definitely haven't been the high energy mass-post Sam of previous games due to some outside factors but that's just one thing.

Like I said last night, I take issue with how you're framing things here. I had said back in day 1 once you got rolling that your questioning felt deliberately disingenuine and slow. You asked questions to look like you were trying to catch up but the rate at which you were processing things including direct responses to questions was diabolically slow. You're far sharper than that as you're starting to prove today with your work to start building a case on me, but day 1 especially is where your behaviour through dragging your feet drew my ire. Lawl seems to see it the same way and I know he knows you even better than I do, even more so mafia game-wise, so I do think I'm onto something here.

Are you kidding? After your campaign and then train vote on me, how could I not? I was mid-conversation IRL in that last hour still. That's all. I was busy. You're making it something it's not

No one has argued that your vote wasn't self-preservation from what I recall, but what we have called out is how you chose to vote in order to save yourself. Again, like I said last night, you had the choice of Natasha present too. I had also said to everyone "Hey I'm vanilla townie, just lynch me instead if we're unsure of where to go", and I said that because I thought Lawl could be a very important player if he was town.

Honestly what draws my ire here is "I was also sure Lawl would continue to vote for me throughout the rest of the game"; so there was more to your vote than just saving yourself? For some reason you figured Lawl would come to suspect you and stay on you regardless of what would happen? That seems like a pretty odd thing to be paranoid about if you're town because you could convince him through your play that you're town. I wouldn't say that he hasn't stuck on someone he suspected previously, but I also just find it odd for you to be so concerned about a small possibility like that if town.

Again, its not the disengagement that I said was scum-like, but the way in which you dragged your feet when you were here. It was like you were trying to do something without really trying to do something; thats what I recall thinking at the time.

No, I'm saying if Gry himself leaked a DM saying X is mafia, Lawl would still find a reason to vote for me. I never said he'd suspect me; I'm saying I could be confirmed Innocent Child, and he'd still vote me

I was asking questions to catch up. I'm not sure why you keep commenting on how quickly I should be able to absorb information when I thought it was pretty clear I was simply busy that phase and couldn't read everything. You're making it something it's not and accusing me of the same.

Jeez you're able to ignore some key context there aren't ya? The lawl lynch didn't make sense to me yes, and I felt fairly sure of him being town due to the nature of how the votes on him first started coming in. Bashing him over the use of "tricky" as a descriptor was silly in my opinion as there's a lot of reasons he might say that contextually for whatever he had (Restless Spirit), and trying to get the most out of the role that would also be correct. For Lawl to get votes from Vali and others over a word, when he was active, and with nothing else that flagged any possibility of him being a problem felt very odd to me so yes I felt pretty sure on my read of Lawl.

I was right btw, he said tricky active and he lied.

Nash on the other hand was like you in a way. Early game it was just bone/skeleton jokes which I'd say was just her pissing around and doing nothing. So in that sense you two were similar in my eyes. Some of her reads, including her sus list which had Lawl dead last, was very perplexing and odd, and I struggled to find much that was agreeable in her logic. Could she have been town? Yes. But I had my doubts and I remember feeling a visceral sense of doubt which had me put her over you which I regret as it probably cost Lawl his life in-game because it meant you could throw him under the bus a lot easier. I also think Lawl's explanation of tricky post-death was adequate, so framing it as just "die and vote" is a bit shit because in that position you obviously want to be right and make sure you're nailing that vote. Yes its not a shot which he'd probably have preferred tbh, but it can still have consequences for town because a misplaced RS vote could lead to other townies mislynching if they follow him.

He said "Kako sus, votekill Panda". Yeah, real tricky "can still have consequences for town because a misplaced RS vote could lead to other townies mislynching if they follow him" Good thing you're not doing that then!

No, I do think RS is trickier than vanilla townie because that post-death vote is more important due to how it can potentially lead town to vote a certain way; you want your read to be right in that case.

Lawl having more than one suspect is a problem? Yes he found Kako shady but he had issues with you too based on your play which is why myself and others also distrust you. I commented earlier that Kako's back and forth with I think Pom looked a bit like an irrational townie to be because I didn't see why a mafia would be acting like that at all; he could be maf but he was certainly putting himself out there a bit.

You're also framing this as me following Lawl, but I'd long been speaking about my distrust of you for similar reasons before Lawl came along with his RS vote. Shit, Marm agreed with me too so I know its more than just Lawl and me that have doubts about you.

Seems like you're just looking for a reason to get me lynched!

 

[Kakoha]

Gonna feel stupid if you win after being this obvious lol

I'm mafia dude just chill wth

 

[SirSamuel016]

So Copan was writing walls shading two townies??? Bum

 

[Hardy]

I thought Pom's D1 was way weirder than D2 what's going on

 

[Marmalade]

Simple role, I suppose she might've meant standard.

If she was red in a previous life and killed then I suppose it does check out that she'd do the opposite

Maybe it is indeed a bear lynch day

She was red in the previous game, that's what the posts was referring too I think. Any green role is the opposite of a red role right? It's a bit too vague for me to really be convinced by the early hinting so mehhhhh I'm not sure.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Yes, Thank you.

You're welcome

Are you kidding? After your campaign and then train vote on me, how could I not? I was mid-conversation IRL in that last hour still. That's all. I was busy. You're making it something it's not

No Just looks like you're reaching for easy meat to kill by sussing me and Pom tbh

 

[Marmalade]

Sam I don't have the attention span for your massive post btw '-'

 

[SirSamuel016]

She was red in the previous game, that's what the posts was referring too I think. Any green role is the opposite of a red role right? It's a bit too vague for me to really be convinced by the early hinting so mehhhhh I'm not sure.

Yes, she was janitor last game

 

[Lady pompom]

She was red in the previous game, that's what the posts was referring too I think. Any green role is the opposite of a red role right? It's a bit too vague for me to really be convinced by the early hinting so mehhhhh I'm not sure.

It’s not about a green role vs red role, it’s about mafia killing and me doing the opposite. It can;t be more forward than that except me spelling word by word my role.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Sam I don't have the attention span for your massive post btw '-'

He fucken asked me to respond to him
TL;DR I disagree with Pan, he's framing it in some disagreeable ways and I think I'm gonna lock him because I'm content with Pom's justification of herself atm

 

[Hardy]

I'm mafia dude just chill wth

He admitted it guys let's get his ass

 

[Kakoha]

okay with pom's claim and her hidden hint, I'm more inclined to trust her for now
which makes hardy also seem more green, there's still chance of poison/recruit, but if poison it will become very clear tomorrow

hmm
yeah okay idk who it is, maybe panda + nash ? nash chosing to lynch lawl over panda could be deliberate

 

[SirSamuel016]

Get a HSP in ya to sop the alcohol up onegai @Marmalade

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I'm mafia dude just chill wth

what da hell

 

[Marmalade]

He fucken asked me to respond to him
TL;DR I disagree with Pan, he's framing it in some disagreeable ways and I think I'm gonna lock him because I'm content with Pom's justification of herself atm

I will say I've been liking him more in the past couple of hours considering he is trying to put more effort in, like actual effort and not the cutesy fake effort, I don't fully agree with everything he's been saying but he's been making valid points.

 

[Natasha]

Okay caught up

Panda's wall lines up with the way I feel about Sam's influence on the lynch and jump on Lawl's vote. Mind melding there.

Pomcha's been places with her lines of reasoning and I've not been the only person to take issue with it it seems. I still don't think she's sketch enough for a kick and given that she just claimed the only explanation for no death last night I stand by it.

Hardy v Kako gave a lot to read both of them by. I've not really moved from feeling good about Kako, matches my mental image of his town. His arguments against Hardy are accusing him of being negligent, contradictory and playing as though he knew Lawl was town since he is mafia.

Hardy's defence doesn't inspire me much. It's got similar energy to Sam's, very dismissing and "oh I didn't notice" energy to them.

If I were to draw a pattern right now it would be between the way Sam & Hardy are playing being very similar. Pomcha claiming to heal Hardy throws a spanner in that. If someone dies to poison then a potential heal means little but if there is no good explanation by tomorrow then pom/hardy would be trending green.

If we explore a Sam/Pom world it's never Pom after that claim, always Sam.
If people are more trusting of Sam than Hardy we can start with Hardy too. Iirc both are claiming passive and other than my personal gripe with Sam lynching Hardy here is just as good for exploring that world.

Dego is... ok. He's giving me inoffensive background vibes kinda like Lumi last game. Slotting him into mafia solves is kinda w/e. I doubt he's getting night killed with his forum presence and if he's mafia flipping him gives us like no info so he's probably just gonna be around and unsolved unless we pressure him more @Degojaru (he signed off for today so this is for tomorrow)

Vali Lucifer was defensive and stinky until he at least took a shot at me. He's doing next to nothing to prove himself town in my eyes but also impacting the game so little that I'm struggling to find much to dislike other than his tone. He's in my crapshoot vote pile.

Tatsu might not be as inspiring as I found her last game but if my nosebone is in the right place this gets resolved tomorrow so we let her cook maybe even protect her here @Lady pompom

I guess Lawl returning to copan isn't too surprising. Would be nice if he told me what he found wrong with my list from D1 but people seem to like poking fun at it but not actually engaging me at all about what made it so bad

Posting wall now but I'm still writing who gives me mafteam vibes other than the Sam/Hardy/Pom world I mentioned earlier.

 

[Kakoha]

She was red in the previous game, that's what the posts was referring too I think. Any green role is the opposite of a red role right? It's a bit too vague for me to really be convinced by the early hinting so mehhhhh I'm not sure.

not tryna defend her but what I understood is that she was a killer, now a healer

 

[SirSamuel016]

I will say I've been liking him more in the past couple of hours considering he is trying to put more effort in, like actual effort and not the cutesy fake effort, I don't fully agree with everything he's been saying but he's been making valid points.

The effort does feel more genuine yes, but thats about it I reckon. Not enough there that's convincing me of him being green

 

[Kakoha]

He admitted it guys let's get his ass

haha lol, I mean I'm not*** my bad