On Break One Piece Chapter 1198 Discussion

[Federicoxxx]

After reading the chapter, I fail to see why the leakers called Loki a fraud.

mostly cause Loki himself is a super powerful char..it was since he was a baby ,, maybe the most powerful giant currently ... PLUS he got a Legendary DF. a Legendary Hammer,, and Hybrid was teased for over like 20 chapters ago-- and when is finally showcased, Imu easily beat the shit out of him,, he couldnt even block..i think those are the reasons i can imagine it for it.

 

[AmyRose]

mostly cause Loki himself is a super powerful char..it was since he was a baby ,, maybe the most powerful giant currently ... PLUS he got a Legendary DF. a Legendary Hammer,, and Hybrid was teased for over like 20 chapters ago-- and when is finally showcased, Imu easily beat the shit out of him,, he couldnt even block..i think those are the reasons i can imagine it for it.

Aaaaand people seem to forget that he's fighting while being seriously injured and yet he keeps going. That's not fraud thing. That's thing of a legends. 🫡

 

[Monkey D. Oma]

What kind of weapon was imu holding? Lightsaber? Staff?

 

[AmyRose]

What kind of weapon was imu holding? Lightsaber? Staff?

Yeah, seeing how "the blade" disapeared I also think it could be some kind of "sword of light". Literally.

 

[Monkey D. Oma]

Yeah, seeing how "the blade" disapeared I also think it could be some kind of "sword of light". Literally.

I wonder if imu in that form also changed from dark-type to fairy-type lol

 

[Battle Wolf]

I wonder if imu in that form also changed from dark-type to fairy-type lol

Changed to shitty-type lol

Two theories surfaced again:

Imu retreat and SHP have a timeskip for training;

Imu take Luffy hostage and goes back to mariejois with him, trying to take him to his side, showing him all the story of the previous joyboy and bla bla bla

 

[marco1701]

What if multiple hybrid forms are mostly mythical zoans thing? Killingham have 2

Don't think that Killingham showed 2 hybrid forms, the first we saw was the awakened form. Later we saw his hybrid (with his real face).

It was the same with Lucci or Kaku, which are normal zoans: at Water Seven/Enies Lobby we saw their hybrid forms, then at Egghead the awakened ones.

 

[Imfamux]

Changed to shitty-type lol

Two theories surfaced again:

Imu retreat and SHP have a timeskip for training;

Imu take Luffy hostage and goes back to mariejois with him, trying to take him to his side, showing him all the story of the previous joyboy and bla bla bla

I think the first one is better, and it will happen - BC don't make sens to Imu pick-up Luffy as hostage since Imu can just KILL him - why pick-up bum as hostage?

My predction is - everything will resume in this West Village- in front of everyone eyes.
- Sommers probably is running in Killingham direction, Imu is going to the village to - Jimbe, Nami are going there to - so it will be

- Zoro and Sanji kill both H.K - while Wukong Luffy holds off Imu - Oda is crazy to draw Luffy in his Oozaru form doing Imu so big - and them we'll have a fast S.H vs Luffy - until Shanks arrives in the Island - the finishing the second part of One Piece - them it will start the Pirate King Journey - after a little time SKIP in Elbaf .


Imu won't be defeated today, and they won't fight good until Luffy goes to Mary Geoise -

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Seems Imu thinks that Elbaph has an Ancient Weapon. We know the WG has Uranus, we already know of Poseidon. He must not know that Pluton is actually in Wano.
Caribou knows where it is, so, we could potentially have Caribou betray Blackbeard if he can get some sort of deal with the WG. Quite possible the WG may be heading to Wano soon, and also, Blackbeard could also be doing this if Caribou does tell him.
Not sure where Oda will take this, but it would make sense if the WG doesn't get this knowledge yet because the SHs need to be able to use Pluton to fight against Uranus once York has recovered the information needed to create the Motherflame - narratively, it is required for each side to have their own Ancient Weapon for a fair fight.
Could still be that the WG learns about it, and challenges Wano - but then that would be a costly defeat the WG can't suffer narratively. I am more inclined to believe Blackbeard going to Wano than the WG.

Also good to see that Sanji can actually utilise Black Armament (Hardening), makes sense that he has been unable to use this form and was limited to the non-shaded version of Armament given his self-loathing actually capping his ability to protect himself (he was looking to essentially harm himself), so it does make sense he didn't develop this level of Armament since he didn't prioritise his own protection/safety. Really good development by Oda.
I remember a ton of discussion about this, glad to see this is now resolved.

 

[SanaNeOlm]

mostly cause Loki himself is a super powerful char..it was since he was a baby ,, maybe the most powerful giant currently ... PLUS he got a Legendary DF. a Legendary Hammer,, and Hybrid was teased for over like 20 chapters ago-- and when is finally showcased, Imu easily beat the shit out of him,, he couldnt even block..i think those are the reasons i can imagine it for it.

We already saw that Luffy and Loki combined couldn't really stand up against Imu. Pretending like something changed or it is shocking Loki getting beat up again against Imu, who revealed another, most likely more powerful form, doesn't make Loki deserving of a fraud label. It is purely engagement bait you see a lot on X.

 

[Imfamux]

Seems Imu thinks that Elbaph has an Ancient Weapon. We know the WG has Uranus, we already know of Poseidon. He must not know that Pluton is actually in Wano.
Caribou knows where it is, so, we could potentially have Caribou betray Blackbeard if he can get some sort of deal with the WG. Quite possible the WG may be heading to Wano soon, and also, Blackbeard could also be doing this if Caribou does tell him.
Not sure where Oda will take this, but it would make sense if the WG doesn't get this knowledge yet because the SHs need to be able to use Pluton to fight against Uranus once York has recovered the information needed to create the Motherflame - narratively, it is required for each side to have their own Ancient Weapon for a fair fight.
Could still be that the WG learns about it, and challenges Wano - but then that would be a costly defeat the WG can't suffer narratively. I am more inclined to believe Blackbeard going to Wano than the WG.

Also good to see that Sanji can actually utilise Black Armament (Hardening), makes sense that he has been unable to use this form and was limited to the non-shaded version of Armament given his self-loathing actually capping his ability to protect himself (he was looking to essentially harm himself), so it does make sense he didn't develop this level of Armament since he didn't prioritise his own protection/safety. Really good development by Oda.
I remember a ton of discussion about this, glad to see this is now resolved.

I don't think that Imu only want weapons - and I don't think that the Technology in Elbaf is related to the V.C at all - Unless the ancient weapons were created even before de V.C - and - I don't think Imu needs ANOTHER Ancient Weapon , since the A.W he has - is absurd but the don't have the fuel to use - so what use would have another A.W without Mother Flame being fully functional?

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We already saw that Luffy and Loki combined couldn't really stand up against Imu. Pretending like something changed or it is shocking Loki getting beat up again against Imu, who revealed another, most likely more powerful form, doesn't make Loki deserving of a fraud label. It is purely engagement bait you see a lot on X.

Yeah - since Imu appeared in 1153 it has caused a lot of turmoil about him being a fraud or no - and even now after the KoW destroyed everyone on the island - they still do this type of engagement bait - even Imu in his 1st form being enough to finish the job IF wasn't for the plot hole !

 

[aster4jaden]

One of the things i like the most..is that even in monkey mode,, he seems rather Happy,, Naughty / rascal ,,, i honestly love to see him doing monkey sounds, and monkey like mannerisms, like scratching his own butt,, i would say he is having a lot of fun on this mode..,, similar at how he was always Smiling and laughing in regular g5 mode, it is very very interesting he goes for ZaZa first,, he didnt stay with Loki and Imu's... the FIRST THING HE DID,, it was to get rid of ZaZa, once and for all,, so no more kids could get kidnapped,, leaving aside the chaos ZaZA HIMSELF was doing,, i dont think it was a a simple coincidence, maybe in Monkey mode,, the first of the list, it was to totally Botch the enemy's plan,, even when it was almost already botched, specially thanks to ZORO who, already beat the shit of Sommer's,, so nobody is goin to control that ship and take it to Mariejois..

i think from the enemy side,, the only in the current position to control the ship and take it to Mariejois, might be Gunko,, but her mental state is an absolute mess..

if we think about it,, simple removing the kids from the ship,, and destroying the ship to pieces,, it would also work to botch their plan..

oh yeah,,someone already said it ,,but imu's face remind me to GISMONDA MASK

https://onepiece.fandom.com/es/wiki/Gismonda

It would be interesting if the members wearing Masks in CP0 wore them in honor of Imu or a hint of Imu they might know about.

 

[fastfonz]

I dont want to be all negative, but man.

"2 big haki signatures"?

Its Reiatsu,Chakra and Dbz Energy Level all over again.

Monkeyform is only here because G5 is hated by many fans, kinda like Cell appeared because the androids didnt seemed like a real threat.

Its getting more and more a shitshow, what a shameful end. Big Game of Thrones Season 8 vibes

Shonen is shonen bro... Dont see the problem.

Sure he could do another timeskip and make powerups seem more earned but people will bleach about anything he does anyway.

New forms & designs look cool. It does seem that Blackbeard not Imu will be the final enemy from this. Imu's soldiers are too weak.

 

[AmyRose]

Don't think that Killingham showed 2 hybrid forms, the first we saw was the awakened form. Later we saw his hybrid (with his real face).

I assume form with this weird "dragon" head is Killinghams first hybrid form which for some reason he use instead of his normal one. The one in which he's fully human. It's kinda odd that he's hiding his real face in public. Mayby he's afraid of judgment from side of other CDs because of his sharp teeth that seem very fishman-like. Because sure, he may be a Holy Knight who is higher in hierarchy of Celestial Dragons but people can't be stoped from silently judging even the mightiest entities.

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Oh btw, Killingham ordered Zaza to stretch all the way to the ship to get kids onto it but the question stays: How in the world Sommers was supposed to move this ship? It's ship for GIANTS, made to be used by GIANTS and so it's obviously huge. So how Sommers planned to steer this ship? Using his thorns like tentacles and moving steering wheel randomly in hope that will work? Also it's not like ships teleport, opponents would get them almost immedietly before they could leave port. Well, I don't know about Zoro but at least Sanji with his sky walk deffinetly could get to the ship before it could leave with children. Also seriously, I don't suspect that Holy Knights have any practical skills so I don't think they can sail the ship. So yeah, unless Sommers could carry this huge ship on his own back and fly away Superman style this plan was doomed from very beggining.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

I don't think that Imu only want weapons - and I don't think that the Technology in Elbaf is related to the V.C at all - Unless the ancient weapons were created even before de V.C - and - I don't think Imu needs ANOTHER Ancient Weapon , since the A.W he has - is absurd but the don't have the fuel to use - so what use would have another A.W without Mother Flame being fully functional?

I see where you are coming from, but all AWs don't necessarily work the same.
Pluton probably doesn't need the Motherflame.

Don't forget that during the Enies Lobby arc, the WG tried to acquire Pluton even though there was no Mother Flame, so it suggests that Pluton probably doesn't need it, otherwise, as you said, it'd be useless.

What makes it less likely that Pluton needs the MF is that the Gorosei said that anyone who acquires Pluton will rule the world and could even destroy the WG which was Crocodile's plan despite the fact the WG already have Uranus. It shows that Pluton might be more reliable than Uranus.

Seems that Imu isn't just here for Elbaph's giant army, he seemingly also thinks they have an Ancient Weapon.
We know right now that the WG are extremely weak compared to before, and they're desperate for power, so very likely that the entire reason they're in Elbaph is a desperate attempt to grab power as they're currently in dire straits. They're starving just because of the RA, I think that shows how much of a weakened state the WG is currently in.

 

[Kuroiyaiba]

I do wonder if Luffy still having his white Hagoromo (awakening clouds) is a hint at him still being conscious to some extent. I mean the giant kids were in urgent danger and Luffy jumped in to save them.

 

[Tonix]

Hybrid was teased for over like 20 chapters ago-- and when is finally showcased, Imu easily beat the shit out of him,, he couldnt even block

If it was easy, Imu wouldn’t have had to change to an even more powerful form.

When Imu showed up it was pretty clear that Imu was going to beat the shit out of everyone and then have to go back to the Holy Land after a certain time limit. This has always been a run out the clock fight.

Changed to shitty-type lol

Isn’t Dragon type weak to Fairy type?

 

[TitaniumOxide]

Aaaaand people seem to forget that he's fighting while being seriously injured and yet he keeps going. That's not fraud thing. That's thing of a legends. 🫡

And this is just how powerful and extremely OP Imu is. Gaban, Loki, and Luffy are all legends, all injured af and still doing their damndest and losing. Leakers are fucking triiiiipping.

What kind of weapon was imu holding? Lightsaber? Staff?

I forgot who said it first but it also looks like Sun Wukong's Staff to me. Like almost identical to the ones used in the Journey to the West shows too. This version could be made of light or maybe we just do not see it ungenerate. Imu is straight up pulling all sorts of axes and sabers and shit outta his ass, I'm sure there's room for him to stick it back up there. It's like Santa's fucking bag.

 

[AmyRose]

And this is just how powerful and extremely OP Imu is. Gaban, Loki, and Luffy are all legends, all injured af and still doing their damndest and losing. Leakers are fucking triiiiipping.

Yeah, people just love to "downgrade" popular characters and call them frauds for no reason. Kaido although I hate him had great quote that fits here perfectly and it went more or less like this: "You aren't weak, they were just too strong." So yeah, Loki isn't some weak fraud, Imu (unfortunately) is just too strong. But like I keep saying it, our heroes were never supposed to defeate him here. They just have to survive him and help giants successfully repel his invasion.

 

[TitaniumOxide]

Yeah, people just love to "downgrade" popular characters and call them frauds for no reason. Kaido although I hate him had great quote that fits here perfectly and it went more or less like this: "You aren't weak, they were just too strong." So yeah, Loki isn't some weak fraud, Imu (unfortunately) is just too strong. But like I keep saying it, our heroes were never supposed to defeate him here. They just have to survive him and help giants successfully repel his invasion.

I remember hating Doflamingo but respecting him for not ever berating his subordinates for their lack of firepower. When he went to rescue Baby 5 and Buffalo, he basically told them yo you guys did the best you could, thanks, I got this. Hate the dude all you want but he might have learned a thing or two from Kaido being his Joker card. So when Kaido said that shit, I thought that was pretty damn cool too. This is also why I don't think the GKs are really weak, they just are when portrayed against Zoro and Sanji but they could probably hold their own against the majority of pirates of the sea. I think Franky said it on Egghead, they're just this powerful now. Or was it someone else? I forget.