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The Native Ones haven’t been mentioned by anyone in the story except by Eduan. So Hwaryun wasn’t talking about them and Traumerei wasn’t experimenting on them (those were probably normal Ancients). Yirang did say that “a few beings were stronger than them,” so I could see the Native Ones...

I believe the Ancient Giant is an Irregular, which would mean the Native Ones are also Irregulars by default. I also believe the Native Ones are stronger than the Family Heads and that all Ancients descended from them. That’s why they’re feared imo.

The thorn generates shinsu similar to how Urek generates his own light imo. So that would mean the Thorn grants its user an Axis's ability.

I don’t even think the spinoff is finished lol(it’s on hiatus iirc).

Revolution won’t be able to do anything against GWs. I believe the shinning ones are the real force behind them. They’re the threat, not the captain and his fake 10 family heads.

I don’t know if Dumas and Robadon are definitively weaker than Ratna and the Astronaut. If anything Dumas and Robadon have better portrayal than those two. Robadon was prepared to 2v1 Kirin and the Astronaut. Then you have Dumas being compared to FHs(even though it was bullshit, he still got the...

Kirin has the same rank as Ratna and the Astronaut in the revolution. I don’t see how he would be 2.4 - 3x weaker than them. They have to be comparable imo. Same with Dumas and Rob.

Kirin’s rank is a typo right?

Whatever the Tower’s true purpose is, whether it is to create an Axis or an entity above that, I think all the GWs were selected to enter the Tower with equal status or opportunity. What I mean is that, if the Tower’s true purpose is simply to create an Axis, I don’t think V initially had a...

I guess we can agree to disagree until we get more info on the boss. I feel like SIU is going to upscale Maschenny a lot. The fact she was even in the spinoff shows me how much SIU values her character. I would be shocked if she ends up as only a cc level threat.

I think they’re the same person because they have identical scars on the left sides of their faces. Plus, both of them have calculating and scheming personality types. It’s hard for me to believe they’re different people. We’ll just have to wait and see. I just don’t see how the leader of...

Dumas’s full power definitely does not approach the base strength of a FH. Remember, Baam put the adult Zahard who appeared on the Hidden Floor and Dumas at similar levels. We know that version of Zahard possessed only a fraction of the real Zahard’s power. We also know the FH’s are definitely...

Damn it’s been a while since I’ve seen you on here. There are a couple points I disagree with. I think an exhausted FH still low or mid diffs Luslec. I mean, Traumerei only acknowledged Urek and didn’t even care that Luslec was getting some kind of spell ready. Gustang didn’t look worried...

I might change my mind based on how SIU handles Adori vs. Gustang (if that happens). However, until then, here are my reasons why I place the strongest Towerborns at only around 40% of an FH. Gustang indirectly stated that the strongest Towerborn don’t have raw power comparable to a FH’s. FH’s...

Urek (His full power with light outside the tower) : at least 500 Urek (shinsu + the light he currently possesses inside the tower) : at least 250 Urek (His full power with shinsu only) : 125 Gustang (without blossom’s flames) : 95 Boss/Luslec : 40 Dumas/Rob : 10 Astro/Ratna/Kirin : 8...