Recent content by Veloratrix

This is definitely a good thread....Lets break this down. Shodai in his own right was likely the strongest of his time. He could deal with 2 Pains by himself, and we aren't just basing Shodai off of the Orochimaru vs Hiruzen fight, either. Shodaime has been stated to be exceedingly strong more...

So, you're going to tell me that Itachi could easily subdue Pain, with EASE mind you, with the Tsukiyomi? Didn't think so. It disables the target completely, what could be better? So what, he had to kill him during the genjutsu, not even relevant.

I'm just going to put it out there that because we do not know all of what Sandaime brings to the table, except for his reputation obviously, we can't truly call this fight

This is the one fight that I would have to say that experience loses. Pain wins, Madara loses this one. Even if Madara were as good as he formerly was(when he fought Shodaime) I believe Pain would still win. We have yet to see if Nagato can move in his chair, so we can neither confirm nor deny...

Ninjabot, you're wrong about Frog Song Genjutsu. The sage genjutsu that Jiraiya used on Pain was atleast 1 level higher in terms of sheer power compared to Tsukiyomi. Yes, Tsukiyomi is the ultimate genjutsu, but that is because it is both powerful and instant. Frog song requires cast time, but...

As I see it, both Hiruzen and Itachi could win this. I'll break it down for you. Summoning: Hiruzen Genjutsu: Irrelevant, since if Hiruzen has Enma summoned, Tsukiyomi is completely useless. Taijutsu: Irrelevant, both are masters of it, and both have KB. Ninjutsu: Main topic of debate......I...

I'm going with Kisame. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but Kisame wasn't using his full strength against Killerbee in their fight. He was using a clone, and that has what, a small fraction of his chakra? Yeah, Killerbee loses with low-mid difficulty.

You cannot compare Sasuke to Kisame. Yes, Susano'o is quite a defense, but Kisame would kick Sasuke's ass. I believe that this matchup isn't clear-cut at all. It could easily go both ways. If Kisame absorbs any decent amount of Raikage's chakra, Raikage loses automatically(due to Kisame's...

I don't have an arguement for anything further, but Shiki Fuuin > Susano'o. He gets ahold of itachi at any point in time, and Itachi is fucked.

I say the 7 swordsmen win. The Gedo Mazo statue is a problem though. Pain didn't outclass or overpower the J-MAN anyways, he was just a pussy :(

As for the Gedo Mazo, while there may be no indication that the paths can summon it, but why couldn't Nagato summon it and use it from a distance? He was in sync with the Gedo Mazo Statue after all, and he, on a number of occaisions used the statue to seal the tailed beasts, yet he wasn't at the...

Eh....Just because Orochimaru doesn't know the Shiki Fujinn doesn't mean that they have any difference in strength. The 4th hokage is strong, for sure....but he certainly is weaker than itachi, the sannin, and Pain.

Hmm, on the Jiraiya vs Pain subject, Jiraiya was NOT getting pushed around by Pain. He withdrew for a short while just to examine what he had just seen, and formulate a plan to deal with his enemy. Sandaime vs Pain, Sandaime wins in an extremely close fight. One does not inherit the title of...

Well, if Pain were to fight a healthy Itachi, Pain would still likely win that fight. Sasuke isn't half the genius Itachi was, and he could never control his powers as well as Itachi could. Even if Sasuke mastered EMS, Pain already has complete control over the Rinnegan, which trumps all other...

Re: Old Sarutobi vs Kazuku I believe it goes without question that Prime Hiruzen wins any fight out there, including against Minato(with little difficulty I might add) and I mean NO room for doubt at all. But, Old Hiruzen I believe would lose this fight to somebody with as much or MORE combat...