I reread chapter 1 of the side story - multiple universes confirmed

[VON]

The Shiny Ones have been there since life first began inside "this story" or their universe. As beings that are as old as the universe itself, for them to not know about the massive tower (according to Aubrion's knowledge) gives credence that the tower is a creation outside of their shining universe.

FH and Zahard comes from another story, another universe.

Enryu and the "outside god" might be from another another universe too.

 

[Strange]

God is just an axis like urek and pentaminum is
as for universes ? doesn't makes any sense for urek not to know about that

also baek knowing about the moon makes no sense to even consider that there are many univeres , never it was once mentioned in older sius works at all
also earth is there and earth is only one and surely siu wouldn't make earth number 1 - 541 - 667 and all that like marvel/dc


If tower was in another universe pentaminum wouldn't give a damn about that but the guy visited tower and if we go with that it means pentaminum is so strong that no one can jack him in any universes at all .


Thorn is mentioned and the guy pentaminum has thorn in his own hand and we are going to see 3 another shining ones and one of those guy is a thorny guy and there is no way there will be two thorn dudes at all there cannot be such coincidence at all and siu had said enryu would appear and mago can give gifts to ppl so can enryu . mago could split leo/neo , mago could make weapon out of thin air and all that mago could do all kinds of things so enryu does the same thing . no one can convince me untill i see the guy so enryu is still slave of pentaminum becuase outside god is no one but pentaminum surely . outside god means outside god , outside of the tower not outside of the universe where tog is and all that , some are evne confused and say that tog is a universe but in reality its just a building LOL so idk just we will not have two thorny Guys surely and also mago used thorny ability so enryu having the same thorny ability isn't any problem and especially we all know that shining ones are demons in disguise if enryu is one of those guys he could change form and all that and to kill a guardian for him it'd be easy peasy ... especially shines are there who knows how long

i have mentioned this whole thing because makes no sense at all , this is story about urek pentaminum and shining ones and enryu , baam appearing after urek/baek also makes no sense baam should have appeared before urek because baek was there but suddenly we've got urek before baam and it makes sense because without urek baam would be dead right now red thryssa would squash him like a weakling ant and no one would save his ass ...

but we will see

 

[VON]

God is just an axis like urek and pentaminum is
as for universes ? doesn't makes any sense for urek not to know about that

also baek knowing about the moon makes no sense to even consider that there are many univeres , never it was once mentioned in older sius works at all
also earth is there and earth is only one and surely siu wouldn't make earth number 1 - 541 - 667 and all that like marvel/dc


If tower was in another universe pentaminum wouldn't give a damn about that but the guy visited tower and if we go with that it means pentaminum is so strong that no one can jack him in any universes at all .


Thorn is mentioned and the guy pentaminum has thorn in his own hand and we are going to see 3 another shining ones and one of those guy is a thorny guy and there is no way there will be two thorn dudes at all there cannot be such coincidence at all and siu had said enryu would appear and mago can give gifts to ppl so can enryu . mago could split leo/neo , mago could make weapon out of thin air and all that mago could do all kinds of things so enryu does the same thing . no one can convince me untill i see the guy so enryu is still slave of pentaminum becuase outside god is no one but pentaminum surely . outside god means outside god , outside of the tower not outside of the universe where tog is and all that , some are evne confused and say that tog is a universe but in reality its just a building LOL so idk just we will not have two thorny Guys surely and also mago used thorny ability so enryu having the same thorny ability isn't any problem and especially we all know that shining ones are demons in disguise if enryu is one of those guys he could change form and all that and to kill a guardian for him it'd be easy peasy ... especially shines are there who knows how long

i have mentioned this whole thing because makes no sense at all , this is story about urek pentaminum and shining ones and enryu , baam appearing after urek/baek also makes no sense baam should have appeared before urek because baek was there but suddenly we've got urek before baam and it makes sense because without urek baam would be dead right now red thryssa would squash him like a weakling ant and no one would save his ass ...

but we will see

The tower could be a central hub that connects multiple different universes that one cannot naturally cross over.

 

[Demonspeed]

No, I don't believe in that. The universe is simply very, very big.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Well urek does say the outside zahard and great warriors came from is different than his.

I also think the same. There are different universes/worlds/story with different rules.

What would be wild if there are multiple axises in such worlds. I want end of TOG to be battle royal among all axises and only baam and urek wins at the end.

 

[VON]

Well urek does say the outside zahard and great warriors came from is different than his.

I also think the same. There are different universes/worlds/story with different rules.

What would be wild if there are multiple axises in such worlds. I want end of TOG to be battle royal among all axises and only baam and urek wins at the end.

You’d get your wish if the tower is truly a hub that connects all the different universes. Bam takes the tower and opens a free passage between the different universes and the true Kings can establish their dominance.

 

[Fortress of Solitude]

Chapter 13:
Danzon: "Leave the Tower what kind of nonsense are you talking about?"
"outside the Tower there is nothing but despair."
"what I know, is that King Zahard and the ten great family leaders entered the Tower to create a world that is disconnected with the despair that exists outside it."
"why would they want to leave the Tower to goto a place where there is only despair?"
Urek: "outside the Tower there is only despair... what..."
"what the hell are you talking about..?"
(...)
"I'm pretty sure the outside of the Tower they are talking about is different from the outside of the Tower I know."

It's just a casual speech and Danzon only knows the official history of the Tower.
Even if it's the same world who was in despair long ago because of the Shining one but Phantaminum stopped them and the world is a peace.
May be the "different universes" is correct but it isn't clear right now.

 

[Strange]

The tower could be a central hub that connects multiple different universes that one cannot naturally cross over.

But still makes no sense , if tower is special then how come that eduan doesn't have his own power ? no one has any kind of power but shinsoo ? if you tell me spells i can tell you that spells are of the tower because Guardians are using spells also and spell is "Immortality contract" one of those spells i mean urek also told to us that spells are incomplete side of this world so spells exists only inside of the tower ...


your post reminded me of a time when spin off came and it was translated "Everything is at the top tower is center of univeres" yet according to urek and aubrion its just buildig nothing else literally and there is no doubt , we all think its something mysterious but its not , evne if we go with enryu guy not being shining one still the guy used shinsoo against a guardian which just proves my point that those guys are ants outside without shisnoo because why use shinsoo if you have power ? especially when urek visited the tower he was using light not shinsoo , but enryu visited tower used shinsoo 100% or maybe he didn't and that's why guardian couldn't control it LOL


Aubrion had told to us that in the end tower will get consumed, rachel told us the same, everyone is telling us the same , tower is just a building nothing else ...

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I also think the same. There are different universes/worlds/story with different rules.

You will be disappointed in the end surely

you guys don't believe what urek is telling us (we all thought he was dummy but we all know today that he is way smarter than he acts and knows way beyond that towerlings do know or even can dream about )

different place doesn't mean different universe , for some weakling earthlings different universe can be another planet and i have seen the stories like that many times

galaxy was mentioned in sius previous works and we all know how big galaxies are

 

[kkck]

As far as I can tell the explanation given in the first chapter of the spinoff does not say shining ones have existed since life or the universe started. In the spinoff life is framed as a product of light and the shining ones are said to be simply the strongest of the living. There's no implied chronology as to when this could have happened. That said, they probably are pretty old. Just not necessarily billions of years old.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

As far as I can tell the explanation given in the first chapter of the spinoff does not say shining ones have existed since life or the universe started. In the spinoff life is framed as a product of light and the shining ones are said to be simply the strongest of the living. There's no implied chronology as to when this could have happened. That said, they probably are pretty old. Just not necessarily billions of years old.

All life started thanks to shining ones in urek's universe.

 

[kkck]

All life started thanks to shining ones in urek's universe.

That is in fact not said anywhere. Life is a product of light piercing through the darkness. The shining are the strongest of the living that over time appeared from that original event.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

That is in fact not said anywhere. Life is a product of light piercing through the darkness. The shining are the strongest of the living that over time appeared from that original event.

Tomato tomato. Its the same thing. It was light users who created time , space movement and life.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

To be honest. Just Urek wondering why they lied about how the outside is is enough for me to think they are from different universes.

instead of light, it’s seems the force of the outside in their universe is probably wind. I remember that being a thing in the bling posts. But since blogposts are non-canon, thank god we do have confirmation of it with Gustang, in the forms of Unos, being the force of wind from their outside.

 

[Strange]

This still reminds me of a thing how So called outside god is named Darkness LOL
you guys don't remember that When urek mentioned That you mean Another god/transcendental being is there? "and what aoubrion said to urek there"? another god/transcendental being ? who is a god there ? aubrion/urek/mago ? and Outside god is also being like shining ones and surely not a darkness but we fans love to make things out of thin air .

Neither darkness nor Light created this tower surely because those two guys are far beyond that this little stupid games but previously ppl thought that outside god is something meaningful or a powerful being like darkness/light but in reality after reading ureks chapter its some swamp axiser

It also could be pentaminum like i am saying forever and it does makes sense , hell ppl dont want to accept the fact that baek ruin has power of an axiser yet some evne thinks that its arlenes power or some shisnoo swamper power LOL you guys need to follow story and like i am saying it not about V Arlene Zahard and GWs those guys are fodders without sihnsoo and they dont have one gram of power (hell baek is more irregular than those fodders LoL ) 100%

Final verdict is that there is no univereses surely and not like ureks universe was created by light users , universe was created by the light not by the shining ones , light is above them like urek is above shining ones ...

Light is the creator not shining ones not even urek calls himself a creator but surely he is transcendental being a god like so called outside god is , previously someone said that only headon is called transcendental being but in reality in urek spin off every shining one is A real god/transcendnetal being and as for hedon ? his power doesn't spread to the outside because he is a shinsoo dude (unless he has some blessings from the axiser) but inside only true god is hedon (when it comes to shinsoo) .



Won't be surprised that this light scenario was planned by siu even from the start because rachel always wanted to see shining stars and to be like them and ppl also dont believe that rachel and baam were trapped in the tower .

zahard symbol also exists only insdie of the tower not on the outside , rachel was from the outside but someone trapped her inside and that's why she needs to climb to see shining stars and also top of the tower there is a SUN the shining star a god

 

[kkck]

Tomato tomato. Its the same thing. It was light users who created time , space movement and life.

It's a BIG assumption that this was a person/human. With darkness it's definitely not a person. On top of everything this would add an extra axis.

 

[Demonspeed]

Well urek does say the outside zahard and great warriors came from is different than his.

I also think the same. There are different universes/worlds/story with different rules.

What would be wild if there are multiple axises in such worlds. I want end of TOG to be battle royal among all axises and only baam and urek wins at the end.

But that was only because of Danzon's words and it's clear that they lied to Towerborns so that they wouldn't want to go outside.

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It's a BIG assumption that this was a person/human. With darkness it's definitely not a person. On top of everything this would add an extra axis.

The Light is also not a person. It created time, motion and the races.

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Neo heard about Earth from Aubryon but Baek and his father heard about the Moon from the unknown Irregular. Remember that.