Chapter Mokushiroku no Yonkishi Chapter 252 Spoilers & Discussion

[Lancelot]

What do you mean bro? We perfectly know why we are here. Cath called them from future. And they perfectly served their purpose by postponing the return of 4KotA so that Cath could face them in Cathmelot. As simple as that. We know why they are here, but this scenario can't feed some people's headcanon to the point they poisoned everyone's mind to neglect the official information!!

As simple as that. We know why they are here, but this scenario can't feed some people's headcanon to the point they poisoned everyone's mind to neglect the official information!!
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Exactly. If their only purpose was simply to delay the Four Knights of the Apocalypse, Nakaba could have easily introduced some sufficiently powerful Chaos Knights, or even an unknown order of beings who had made a pact with Chaos, like the Perils or something similar.
Basically, if the Grail Knights were introduced solely to delay the 4KOA, the author could have completely avoided introducing them in the first place, especially considering how relatively weak they are.
He could simply have introduced other Chaos Knights who would eventually be defeated, but only after putting up enough of a fight to delay the 4KOA.

The real issue here is the role the Grail Knights seem to have in the story.


Personally, I think the next enemy could very well come from the same Time as the Grail Knights.
Moreover, the author himself seems to imply that Cath may not necessarily be the one who summoned them, at least based on what we saw in the flashback showing their arrival.
If Nakaba wanted to clearly establish that Cath was responsible for bringing them there at that time, he could have made that explicit instead of leaving such an implication.
And that is precisely what makes their origins interesting.

The next enemy could even be Lancelot’s future brother, who refuses to forgive Lancelot for killing Ban.
Just like the Grail Knights, he could have traveled through time with them and remained hidden until now.
And rather than following Arthurian legends exactly, the author could simply give that child the name Mordred.
Personally, I find it much more likely that Arthur won’t have a son in this story.

 

[Mountain-Photo-165]

The Knights of the Holy Grail's purpose in the story must connect to the origin of their name.

Specifically, why are they named after a cup that contained Arthur's blood which was used to forge the STs of the 4KOTA?

Given the timeline, it is supposed to be an ancient relic by now.

So, how does their ultimate purpose relate to this cup? I recall their purpose being to "correct the deformity."

Furthermore, the fact that the Knights are completely unaware of these events because everyone involved treats the subject as a taboo seems fishy.

Perhaps it is considered taboo because they want to avoid altering the timeline.

Since everyone knows time travelers from the future will arrive, staying silent ensures the Knights play their designated roles exactly as they did in the past, preventing them from attempting to change the future.

 

[Demonspeed]

The Knights of the Holy Grail's purpose in the story must connect to the origin of their name.

Specifically, why are they named after a cup that contained Arthur's blood which was used to forge the STs of the 4KOTA?

Given the timeline, it is supposed to be an ancient relic by now.

So, how does their ultimate purpose relate to this cup? I recall their purpose being to "correct the deformity."

Furthermore, the fact that the Knights are completely unaware of these events because everyone involved treats the subject as a taboo seems fishy.

Perhaps it is considered taboo because they want to avoid altering the timeline.

Since everyone knows time travelers from the future will arrive, staying silent ensures the Knights play their designated roles exactly as they did in the past, preventing them from attempting to change the future.

There are unknown tasks and threats in the future, that's all. The KoHG have been sent there by Cath.

The Holy Grail is definitely relevant in the future.

 

[Mighty Escanor]

As simple as that. We know why they are here, but this scenario can't feed some people's headcanon to the point they poisoned everyone's mind to neglect the official information!!

Exactly. If their only purpose was simply to delay the Four Knights of the Apocalypse, Nakaba could have easily introduced some sufficiently powerful Chaos Knights, or even an unknown order of beings who had made a pact with Chaos, like the Perils or something similar.
Basically, if the Grail Knights were introduced solely to delay the 4KOA, the author could have completely avoided introducing them in the first place, especially considering how relatively weak they are.
He could simply have introduced other Chaos Knights who would eventually be defeated, but only after putting up enough of a fight to delay the 4KOA.

The real issue here is the role the Grail Knights seem to have in the story.


Personally, I think the next enemy could very well come from the same Time as the Grail Knights.
Moreover, the author himself seems to imply that Cath may not necessarily be the one who summoned them, at least based on what we saw in the flashback showing their arrival.
If Nakaba wanted to clearly establish that Cath was responsible for bringing them there at that time, he could have made that explicit instead of leaving such an implication.
And that is precisely what makes their origins interesting.

The next enemy could even be Lancelot’s future brother, who refuses to forgive Lancelot for killing Ban.
Just like the Grail Knights, he could have traveled through time with them and remained hidden until now.
And rather than following Arthurian legends exactly, the author could simply give that child the name Mordred.
Personally, I find it much more likely that Arthur won’t have a son in this story.

OK, in my answer to @Capalot98 , I explained my viewpoint on that chapter and provided the exact phrase used by Cath Palug. They are here to buy time. That's the undeniable fact literally written in the story.

Spoiler - Mokushiroku no Yonkishi Chapter 252 Spoilers & Discussion

That's wonderful! I actually hope Nakaba does what I expected to, and talked about before. To end yet another era, the Chaos one, and let the MnYK step out of the shadow of NnT. Humans were supposed to be the closest to Chaos in terms of internal contradictions, but a foolish decision robbed...

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However I fully agree that their continued presence in the current timeline, let's them play a new role in the upcoming events. Their original purpose and their original mission is cleared imo, but nobody can say their role is just finished. It can even be a part of the 'paying the price for changing the future' concept. Like Cath summoned them and they played an important role in his defeat.

You have a great idea here. The timing of this new child is suspicious, and it was a surprising news tbh. Mordred and Lancelot had a huge role in destroying Camelot in Malory's tale, while Gawain's fault was not forgiving Lancelot mostly! Now what if the two are siblings here? A meaningful connection. The only problem is it adds even more importance to Lancelot's role in his manga and lessens the importance of the other three titular characters even though they were supposed to be equals based on early narratives. Does Nakaba care about it? Of course not

 

[Mountain-Photo-165]

There are unknown tasks and threats in the future, that's all. The KoHG have been sent there by Cath.

The Holy Grail is definitely relevant in the future.

Why is it even relevant in the future?

After all, it is just a cup that contained Arthur's blood.

Technically, Arthur could create multiple Holy Grails simply by bleeding into any ordinary cup.

Could it be that the name is purely a symbolic title? Or perhaps Arthur has lost the ability to create any more of these cups.

 

[FKS]

Link to the English release here.
Title of the next chapter: Towards hope

I didn't even take a look at the title, and yes, it changed and means exactly you saw.

 

[Rey151203]

Personally, I think the next enemy could very well come from the same Time as the Grail Knights.
Moreover, the author himself seems to imply that Cath may not necessarily be the one who summoned them, at least based on what we saw in the flashback showing their arrival.
If Nakaba wanted to clearly establish that Cath was responsible for bringing them there at that time, he could have made that explicit instead of leaving such an implication.
And that is precisely what makes their origins interesting.

The next enemy could even be Lancelot’s future brother, who refuses to forgive Lancelot for killing Ban.
Just like the Grail Knights, he could have traveled through time with them and remained hidden until now.
And rather than following Arthurian legends exactly, the author could simply give that child the name Mordred.
Personally, I find it much more likely that Arthur won’t have a son in this story.

-Nakaba will keep Mordred's origin faithful = son of Arthur((and be the one who will bring his downfall, the rest nakaba create) it doesn't necessarily have to be a natural son with a wife; he could be created with Chaos or even be the son of the false Arthur Cath, but Mordred will definitely not have nothing with Lancelot blood.

Ban's son will be Ector.

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the author himself seems to imply that Cath may not necessarily be the one who summoned them, at least based on what we saw in the flashback showing their arrival.
If Nakaba wanted to clearly establish that Cath was responsible for bringing them there at that time, he could have made that explicit instead of leaving such an implication.
And that is precisely what makes their origins interesting.

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Cath's statement about buying time doesn't necessarily mean it was him or not; that's simply the plan Cath had for them after meeting them.

 

[Yakkun]

Not to needlessly stirr the pot but I think the original mission the Grail Knights were on is what the future Arthur has tasked them to do - correct the timeline. Their mission wasn't made purposedly obscure to hide something but simply because those from the future simply cannot know what exact events led to their timeline coming about. It required for the Grail Knights to end up in the past and witnessing and finding out the problems by themselves. Future Arthur literally coudln't have told them what to do because he wasn't really there for most of these key events.

I hope this is the reason why Nakaba has seemingly skipped over certain plot points or dedicated almost no time to certain characters and their developments yet because after the issues with Chaos Lance and Cath have perhaps blown over, we might get to "revisit" some of the events we have already seen with the purpose of having the Grail Knights and the 4KotA altering them in such a way that the bleak future the Grail Knights stem from simply won't occur.

Not every key events will be able to be changed that everything can be avoided. But perhaps altered enough that a more preferrable outcome arrives. As a possible example:
Outcome: [The other clans are no longer present in Britania]
Reason: The other clans and their inhabitants were killed and destroyed in the Grail Knight future
Alteration in the new future: The other clans were simply divided and retreated to their respective realms but they still exist, they only can't be present in Britania anymore.

Something along those lines. I also don't think they will just have to go to one specific events and change that. A lot of us think or at least at some point thought that Jades death set in motion a spiral leading to the current timeline which already diverts in some ways from the Grail Knights Future but not necessarily in a good, in a preferable way. It's been altered but not yet "corrected", so to speak. But I don't think just altering Jade's fate would be enough for the entire timeline straightening out again. There are several other key events that could perhaps be avoided if they are revisited.

We need to wait and see how it turns out.

 

[Mountain-Photo-165]

We might get early spoiler next week friday due to holiday.

Wait , what ? , you serious ?

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Ok , this is a bit weird but if non-humans don't exist in Britannia anymore then how come Nasiens is still around to give birth to Kardiez ?

She's not human , she's a fairy/giant hybrid.

There's also the fact that she can enter Chaos Camelot when it's supposed to be forbidden for non-humans.

Plot hole ? , or being a hybrid is different ? , it shouldn't be though because there's not a trace of humanity in her.

 

[FKS]

Wait , what ? , you serious ?

Yes, there's a Japanese holiday on the 21st of this month (Respect for the Aged Day), and it falls on a Monday. So spoilers will be early.

 

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Wait , what ? , you serious ?

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Ok , this is a bit weird but if non-humans don't exist in Britannia anymore then how come Nasiens is still around to give birth to Kardiez ?

She's not human , she's a fairy/giant hybrid.

There's also the fact that she can enter Chaos Camelot when it's supposed to be forbidden for non-humans.

Plot hole ? , or being a hybrid is different ? , it shouldn't be though because there's not a trace of humanity in her.

It was explained because hybrids are a new thing hence why the barrier doesn't affect them.

 

[Heart_LoveXX]

First off, that was a nice cover.🥹

I think I like that one along with the ones of Gawain and Escanor, Percy and his mini-mes, Kid Tristan on chpt 68 with Elizabeth, Lance in chpt 240, and the 4koa in chpt 69.
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Okay, now Percy and Tristan's chibi forms are adorable!

And I'm so glad my girl Gawain is setting them straight!. Just seeing the difference in how they all interacted when they just met to now - especially with the cover as rep? The feels

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Now, I don't know how they're gonna hide the fact that they're their kids or not cause suspicion about their identities. Lohengrin is a literal carbon copy of Anne and Kardeiz looks like he's another one of King and Diane's child. Not to mention he got the piece of the sacred tree strapped to his damn neck. Real subtle guys.

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You know, it's absolutely nothing new that Nakaba tends to over-exaggerate or understate characters height in his artstyle, but there are still times where certain panels got me raising a brow. Once their official heights gets revealed it really does amaze you with how off he tends to be...

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Anyway, Ysaie's clothes. It's good call back to Meliodas but... did anyone feel like it looked off at first or was it just me?

I don't know if it's the vest. Like, it feels like he's wearing oversized clothes even though he's not. Maybe he just needs to tuck in his vest? Or maybe I'm so used to seeing Meliodas in it that it just takes some time for me to adjust to the size difference, lol.

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Tristan most likely smashed isolde lmao, has the same smile Percy had

It's the so-called "Gouren Face"

Bruh, you know I saw someone call it the fertilization smile. I just can't -

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Anyway, we also get confirmation that the situation will be resolved within a year - or more precisely under 9 months.

So the factors that we know so far is that(in no particular order)...

1. Cath's goal is the worlds destruction.
2. Lance is, as once again emphasized by Gawain, not possessed nor brainwashed. He signed a contract to inherit Cath's ambitions on the deal that Cath doesn't harm Guinevere.
3. Ban is an implied key factor in this conflict.
4. The real Arthur is back to being King of Camelot in the future, meaning he should be fully restored to normal.
5. As a result of everything that happened, the world doesn't have the non-human races anymore.
6. As this is a contract that was put forth by Cath and he doesn't appear in the future, it means that either he let go of Lance cause a better deal came along, Cath accidentally harmed Guinevere, there is something higher in power that terminated the contract, or there was some sort of loophole that was exploited in the contract.

So where does this leave us about how all this goes down?

There's still too many unknowns, but a core thing that I think happened is that there was a loophole in the contract that was exploited. I think this can be contributed to the fact that Lance still has his own will/ambitions besides Cath's ambitions in which the latter leaves room for interpretation.

Remember that Cath not only promised that no harm will come to Guinevere, he also didn't specify how he wanted the world to be destroyed in the contract. He just wanted Lance to do it and we see Lance say that he will do it in his own way.

In other words, like everyone else, I also think Lance does end up "destroying" the world/fulfilling Cath's contract - but not in the way we think of course. And this is where I'm going off of semantics.

First off, there is the question of "what makes the 'world' as they know it"?

Well, the world that Chaos created is that in which its all of the races coexisting together. So what if the "destruction of world" can also count separation of Chaos's world? The "world" that Chaos created technically no longer "exists" if the races aren't coexisting.

Now, we also have to note that Chaos Lance seems to have two major wills/ambitions driving him which is to destroy the world but also to keep Guinevere safe/next to him. These two seemingly conflict eachother, but what if he can do both?

Lance can fulfill Cath's contract by destroying the world as it currently exists, while still achieving his own ambition of keeping Guinevere safe - which is also Cath's part of the contract as well. He doesn't necessarily have to destroy the entire planet or kill everyone for Cath's contract to be fulfilled. If the "world" means the world created by Chaos where all the races coexist, then separating that world would technically fulfill the contract, wouldn't it?

And so this would tie into the future with how the situation is deemed taboo out of consideration for Lance. Because not only did he do it, but the resolution also involved killing Ban and forced separation of his friends from their families as well as his own.

(Now I do have some thoughts of how it could specifically go down but, I'll just wait till more info comes out cause there's still not enough info yet).

 

[kkck]

Looking at the holy grail knights... Their overall reaction to the magical aspects of the current timeline is still strange. It's clear the world changes and other races disappear but even in this scenario by the time of the knights of the grail are around pretty much anyone older than them was around when there were magical creatures. Meliodas being the king of liones would have been something most people except the youngest would have lived through. So the scenarios that explain this would be....

1.- The races were banished and then basically everyone agreed to never talk about magical races to the knights of the grail for the sake of time travel shenanigans. Just a big old population wide pinky swear.

2.- Not only other races are gone but also everyone's memory of them was altered. Maybe from their perspective even the past was altered. Which would make for some confusing time travel nonsense but that's not really strange for time travel.

I suppose it's possible that if this whole thing is the result of a population wide pinky swear to protect the timeline from a paradox then other races weren't banished or erased but rather simply left the human world for a small amount of time until the knights returned from their time travel shenanigan. And the only reason races left the human world was because the knights of the apocalypse learned from the knights of the grail that this happened. And once the knights of the grail return to their time the magical races will return to britania and will reveal the collective pinky swear to them.

Looking at these possibilities... It's a reminder that this isn't a good story.

 

[Rey151203]

Are we forgetting Merlin here? She was the first to notice Lancelot's instability and said she would keep an eye on Cath's movements. Meliodas also says she has a solution for the situation; the solution for Cath was the Holy Grail. What will it be for Chaos Lancelot?

 

[Demonspeed]

Are we forgetting Merlin here? She was the first to notice Lancelot's instability and said she would keep an eye on Cath's movements. Meliodas also says she has a solution for the situation; the solution for Cath was the Holy Grail. What will it be for Chaos Lancelot?

Others might but I never forget Merlin.

 

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Are we forgetting Merlin here? She was the first to notice Lancelot's instability and said she would keep an eye on Cath's movements. Meliodas also says she has a solution for the situation; the solution for Cath was the Holy Grail. What will it be for Chaos Lancelot?

Still the Holy Grail since it's Chaos too.

 

[Mountain-Photo-165]

Are we forgetting Merlin here? She was the first to notice Lancelot's instability and said she would keep an eye on Cath's movements. Meliodas also says she has a solution for the situation; the solution for Cath was the Holy Grail. What will it be for Chaos Lancelot?

I think she saved Jericho's life because Jericho's death wasn't shown , only her house was blown by a shinning road.

 

[Rikudou King]

Gotta say, I like seeing Percy and Tristan mess around and be fools together. Percy didn't get to interact that much with him previously, and it seem like the two of them would get along the best.

It's kind of funny how their children talk about not seeing the other races or even the Sins, leading to the idea that they're all gone, when that would be the case regardless - We've seen that even in the current era of peace, outside of Liones, there isn't any commingling of the races. The only time we saw any giants or elves outside their realms or Liones was within a hidden valley. So in all fairness, them never seeing any of the other races isn't much different then the majority of humans in Britannia. Kind of the same for the Sins, they weren't exactly travelling around, but sticking to their own kingdoms. So while some could be dead, the others could simply be in their realms with no reason to actually interact with the rest of Britannia anymore. Part of the reason I don't think all the sins are dead in the future is because not sure Gowther can even "die" and if King died, then Nasiens would have become Fairy King/Queen.

 

[Mountain-Photo-165]

Are there early spoilers today ?

 

[Covers]

Are there early spoilers today ?

Next week friday bro.