Discussion Beyond the Arie & Khun Hype: What really keeps the Ha Family in the Top 3?

[Anne isn't a TT]

We often talk about the Great Families in terms of their distinct combat styles and political clout:

• Arie Family: Quality & absolute mastery (god tier swordsmanship).
• Khun family: Quantity & versatility (lightning, high progeny count, political influence e.g., Lyborick now a Corps Commander, Elliot Floor Ruler of 44F showcasing how widespread their power is).

Previously, fans theorized that the Ha family’s top-tier standing came from dual Great Leader ancestry (via Han and Yurin). Now that the Han is effectively retconned, it raises an interesting question: What actually makes Ha family a top family?

If we look at their top-tier representatives, the power dynamics get tricky:

• 13 Month Princesses: The active, renowned ones are Adori (Arie bloodline/style), Maschenny (Khun), and Yuri (Ha). Ranking-wise, it's like Adori >>>>> Maschenny >>> Yuri.
• Regular Princesses: Both Arie and Khun have strong Regular Princesses active in the story as well.
• Family Leaders: Arie Hon sits at 5, Khun Eduan at 6 but Ha Yurin drops to 9 (with two non-Family Leaders, Adori and Anee, slotted between Eduan and Yurin).

Given that they don't have the broken space-cutting hacks of the Arie or the massive political/military reach of the Khun along with their different attributes, why are the Ha family consistently ranked alongside them as the big three?

Is pure physical durability and Shinsu reinforcement enough to hold that spot, or are we underestimating their top High Rankers and true military power? What do you think keeps the Ha family at the very peak?

 

[Demonspeed]

They are up there because they are simply among the strongest? It's not about ranking the strength of their abilities although for the Arie, Arie Swordsmanship itself has been really highlighted.

Fisherman isn't considered the strongest Position for nothing. Usually you don't need more than raw power to win. Hax and many other abilities vary depending on the person.

 

[arrowofsky]

On political clout, Ha is also around. Ha Yuri Zahard is Wing Tree inhabiting, while Ha Cheonhee or whatnot is on Zahard corps commander's position. Then, we have Ha Jinsung who is aspiring to be a FH and in FUG, too. There is prolly someone in Revs from Ha as well. They are also considered to be more strict on their family matters, protecting their children even against other FHs.
Furthermore, I don't think individual FHs or some princesses ranks are proportional to families' themselves impact. On power, we canonically know that any FH can even out any discrepancy in mass power of the family, but individual and family rank is vague.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

They are up there because they are simply among the strongest? It's not about ranking the strength of their abilities although for the Arie, Arie Swordsmanship itself has been really highlighted.

Fisherman isn't considered the strongest Position for nothing. Usually you don't need more than raw power to win. Hax and many other abilities vary depending on the person.

I am just saying Ha family in general looks bland compared to Arie and Khun. Before one could say they have the blood of 2 FLs but now even that's retconned.

We don't know the ranking of Jinsung in the Ha, but I would say he is at least top 5 BL of Ha family given he holds executive position in FUG. Idk what SIU will show us regarding Ha.

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On political clout, Ha is also around. Ha Yuri Zahard is Wing Tree inhabiting, while Ha Cheonhee or whatnot is on Zahard corps commander's position. Then, we have Ha Jinsung who is aspiring to be a FH and in FUG, too. There is prolly someone in Revs from Ha as well. They are also considered to be more strict on their family matters, protecting their children even against other FHs.
Furthermore, I don't think individual FHs or some princesses ranks are proportional to families' themselves impact. On power, we canonically know that any FH can even out any discrepancy in mass power of the family, but individual and family rank is vague.

I mean Yuri is just a newbie. She can't compare to the influence that Adori or Maschenny holds. I think that protection of their child make their influence. It's like usual trope if u beat their young master their old ancestor come to bully u.

I am talking about family strength. And also the representative. The one active and important princess from each family who holds a 13 MS are Adori, Maschenny and Yuri. There's a huge gap between each. I feel SIU is showing a representative of each family. Remember Maschenny asked Ran to be wary of only Arie family.

 

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I am just saying Ha family in general looks bland compared to Arie and Khun. Before one could say they have the blood of 2 FLs but now even that's retconned.

Just because Han didn’t become canon doesn’t mean the twin concept won’t come to fruition. For all we know, Yurin could have had twins with one of her Towerborn companions who climbed the Tower with her. If those twins are the strongest regents among all the families, that could explain why the Ha Family is in the top three. The Ha Family is probably the most top-heavy family in terms of power imo.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Just because Han didn’t become canon doesn’t mean the twin concept won’t come to fruition. For all we know, Yurin could have had twins with one of her Towerborn companions who climbed the Tower with her. If those twins are the strongest regents among all the families, that could explain why the Ha Family is in the top three. The Ha Family is probably the most top-heavy family in terms of power imo.

Ha family were special back then not because of twins but because they carry the blood of 2 FLs. If the Ha family were strong, they wouldn't need to step up when their family is killed even if it's fair like regular killing regular.

 

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Ha family were special back then not because of twins but because they carry the blood of 2 FLs. If the Ha family were strong, they wouldn't need to step up when their family is killed even if it's fair like regular killing regular.

We know that absolute anomalies can be produced even with the blood of just one FH. Adori falls into this category. Of course, she also has Jahad’s blood, but even without it, she would still be well above the regents imo. The Ha twins could simply possess Adori-level potential but never have received Jahad’s blood; hence, they’re above all the regents but below that top Towerborn tier. SIU could take a different route of course, but I’m just saying that he could still implement this concept and make it all come together logically in the end.

 

[Demonspeed]

I am just saying Ha family in general looks bland compared to Arie and Khun. Before one could say they have the blood of 2 FLs but now even that's retconned.

We don't know the ranking of Jinsung in the Ha, but I would say he is at least top 5 BL of Ha family given he holds executive position in FUG. Idk what SIU will show us regarding Ha.

Their ability is simply enhanced physical ability. It's not supposed to be complex.

Jinsung is barely CC tier.

Ha family were special back then not because of twins but because they carry the blood of 2 FLs. If the Ha family were strong, they wouldn't need to step up when their family is killed even if it's fair like regular killing regular.

They are top 3 because SIU said they are top 3 and it's all that matters. People have all kinds of headcanons about double Irregular ancestry but it all comes down to genetic lottery. The twins themselves were never stated to be particularly outstanding and Yuri is said to be the most talented Ha. Even in thse blog posts, Yuri is the one who had her family's support.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Most likely all 3 family have more number of strong characters. What matters is how many reagent level characters top 3 family has?

Anyways my hype about this topic has reduced drastically. With urek spin off , we are dealing with god tiers shining ones and axis like urek. SIU has said 65% of the story has been finished so I doubt most of families will be fleshed out. We are going to see more of top tiers fighting now.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

We know that absolute anomalies can be produced even with the blood of just one FH. Adori falls into this category. Of course, she also has Jahad’s blood, but even without it, she would still be well above the regents imo. The Ha twins could simply possess Adori-level potential but never have received Jahad’s blood; hence, they’re above all the regents but below that top Towerborn tier. SIU could take a different route of course, but I’m just saying that he could still implement this concept and make it all come together logically in the end.

Arie family is just different. Can't compare twins with Adori. If we take BP, Yuri is the one with the highest potential in the family.

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Their ability is simply enhanced physical ability. It's not supposed to be complex.

Looks like physical ability are considered godly. Even the blood of Jahad only boost their physical ability yet they are considered cream of crops in the tower.

 

[arrowofsky]

Most likely all 3 family have more number of strong characters. What matters is how many reagent level characters top 3 family has?

Anyways my hype about this topic has reduced drastically. With urek spin off , we are dealing with god tiers shining ones and axis like urek. SIU has said 65% of the story has been finished so I doubt most of families will be fleshed out. We are going to see more of top tiers fighting now.

If what happened up to now is only 65 %, so that we would have up to 1000 chapters, we have a good chance that all major families will be fleshed out, as shining one and some other remaining stuff might still be done with S2 of spinoff (I do believe S2 of spinoff took place).
Some topics to be dealt in S4 or S5 (not in expected temporal or importance order):

> Workshop
> Native One
> A bit more Revs backstory (but this can also be dealt with with S2 of spinoff as shining one is involved)
> Wing Tree will def. be dealt in S2 of spinoff
> Tu Perie, Ari, Hendo Lok (also Yu Han Sung here)
> Some Phonsekal and Eurasia
> 'Hostile Guardian'
> Some ranking bureau trope
> Fated Zahard Princess arc
> Some V Arlene back story and remainder of mysterious FUG stuff
> Zahard stuff

there will also be some things that will be novel, so 350 like chapters will be enough with them I guess.

 

[Demonspeed]

Looks like physical ability are considered godly. Even the blood of Jahad only boost their physical ability yet they are considered cream of crops in the tower.

Zahard's boost is much stronger.

 

[kkck]

The most likely scenario is that Ha folk simply have exceptionally powerful physical reinforcements to top of physical strength on the high end among noble families. Physical strength and shinsoo reinforcement are ultimately different stats as far as combat in the tower in concerned.

I don't expect the twins to be removed from the story however with the new setting their parentage is likely different. Though I will note that SIU did originally take inspiration from the greek pantheon for the family heads so their parentage being unchanged and there simply being weird sex shenanigans with shin is not out of question. Add to that the hint that there are two types of Ari, those who specialize on weapons, like ari sharon who specifically and canonically references ari needles, and wave controllers like the ones we saw in the mazino story. If the twins are still a thing and they remain related to the ari it'd be interesting if one of them has a talent for weapons and the other for wave controlling.

Curiously enough, yuri would be a weird fit with ari in any scenario. Flower shinsoo attributes seem to be special and don't apparently fit with any of the stuff we have seen even from high ranking ari. Of course, if Yuri's mother is one of the twins then her father could be what brough in the flower shinsoo attribute to the family. Or yuri was just randomly born with this attribute instead of it being a familial/genetic thing.