Chapter Mokushiroku no Yonkishi Chapter 253 Spoilers & Discussion

[Yakkun]

Fuck yeah training with the Perils, I had hoped for this ever since Caths assault on Liones. Arthur is slso battle ready. I hope he gets his revenge on Cath once he is extracted from Lancelot.

 

[SamuraiPunchFruit]

I don't even understand how them training with the Perils who were destroyed with 0 difficulty by Lance would make the remaining KoA stronger

 

[FKS]

Doesn't translation says Chaos Lancelot > Cath with 100% Chaos o not?

This chapter doesn't say it. Merlin is referring to Chaos Lance's strength in this bit of dialogue.

 

[Rey151203]

This chapter doesn't say it. Merlin is referring to Chaos Lance's strength in this bit of dialogue.

Are you sure? The kanji say something else.

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"From that point on, the fact that he was absorbed by Lancelot brought Cath's obsession with Arthur to an end.

Even if Cath absorbed the remainder of Arthur's Chaos power, it still wouldn't be enough to reach Lancelot's level. Lancelot's strength is placed on a level that transcends even the gods."

Are you sure your translation is correct? @FKS

 

[Zerodx]

What can the perils do anyway, they got super strong due to chaos boost, but now they are a regular human

 

[FKS]

Are you sure? The kanji say something else.

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"From that point on, the fact that he was absorbed by Lancelot brought Cath's obsession with Arthur to an end.

Even if Cath absorbed the remainder of Arthur's Chaos power, it still wouldn't be enough to reach Lancelot's level. Lancelot's strength is placed on a level that transcends even the gods."

Are you sure your translation is correct? @FKS

Oh, I reread the line, and sure enough, it says Cath still can't reach Chaos Lance. The line is being fixed. I need some coffee that I don't have at the moment.

 

[Rey151203]

He is gonna play a role against Chaos I guess and it should return to him once Chaos Lancelot is defeated too.

I think Arthur has Excalibur; maybe he's the one who removes Chaos from Lancelot.

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Oh, I reread the line, and sure enough, it says Cath still can't reach Chaos Lance. The line is being fixed. I need some coffee that I don't have at the moment.

I understand

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@Mountain-Photo-165 I think I owe you an apology...

 

[Yakkun]

What can the perils do anyway, they got super strong due to chaos boost, but now they are a regular human

There is a chance they retain some strength from their chaos infusion but the training will mostly be about mindset and combat methodology because those four are still veterans and the 3 KotA can still learn something from them in that area. Worreldane might teach Gawain some secret spells and help her with chant shortening, Beltreipe is a skilled and clean sword technician even without his magic, which could help Tristan who has a very technical style.

 

[Rey151203]

And this doesn't seem to be a battle that can be resolved through brute force.

 

[shindo]

More than Lancelot > full chaos cath, which was already stated, it's crazier that Lancelot is considered a superior vessel than arthur, despite he'd for sure have the full control of chaos.

 

[Yakkun]

And this doesn't seem to be a battle that can be resolved through brute force.

Not brute force alone anyway.

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More than Lancelot > full chaos cath, which was already stated, it's crazier that Lancelot is considered a superior vessel than arthur, despite he'd for sure have the full control of chaos.

He isn't worthy.

 

[Rey151203]

More than Lancelot > full chaos cath, which was already stated, it's crazier that Lancelot is considered a superior vessel than arthur, despite he'd for sure have the full control of chaos.

It's not a matter of being superior; Lancelot is naturally strong, Arthur wasn't strong before Chaos.

But only Arthur could exert complete control over chaos.

Lancelot only complements the lack of power, that Cath thought Arthur would solve.

Arthur also possesses Excalibur, which amplifies the powers of chaos, and only Arthur can wield it.

 

[Demonspeed]

Is Lancelot just going to fly forever carrying Guin?

More than Lancelot > full chaos cath, which was already stated, it's crazier that Lancelot is considered a superior vessel than arthur, despite he'd for sure have the full control of chaos.

Something like this has never been stated.

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If the Perils didn't retain their strength thanks to some flimsy explanation I don't see how they can be very helpful. Worraldan can probably help and maybe Ironside with more LS knowledge (though it would be a bit weird if he knew more than Percival himself) but the others don't have specialties like that.

 

[HakunaMatata]

Hyougoro taught Luffy, Ebisu taught Naruto, Korin taught Songoku.
There are plenty other examples.
4 perils could teach spells, theoretical stuff, resilience stuff etc.

 

[Mountain-Photo-165]

Great chapter!

I still don't understand how Dubs is going to make a Sacred Treasure for Lancelot when he didn't give him a body scan.

Lancelot's power is certainly above the gods, but the problem is that he can't use it without a Sacred Treasure.

He needs a Sacred Treasure to fight at his full power. Without it, he's still a high-Sin-tier fighter.

Also, the Four Evils only defeated the 4KOTA because of the Chaos buff. In their current form, they aren't that strong.

@Mountain-Photo-165 I think I owe you an apology...

Why ?

 

[Demonspeed]

Hyougoro taught Luffy, Ebisu taught Naruto, Korin taught Songoku.
There are plenty other examples.
4 perils could teach spells, theoretical stuff, resilience stuff etc.

That's why I singled out Worraldan and Ironside. But it's kinda hard to imagine what they could teach that the Sins can't as of now(besides Ironside).

Great chapter!

I still don't understand how Dubs is going to make a Sacred Treasure for Lancelot when he didn't give him a body scan.

I think he did. He didn't check Tristan so he and Lancelot must have visited him before the mission.

 

[Maelstrom Omega]

I expected from this chapter that Dubs analyse the KOA like he did with Nasiens and Percy platoon. It should have been interesting to learn every koa magic types but of course half the chapter is just Lancelot’s glazing like bruh we get it. Can’t you write something else ? It’s been month since you are glazing him. Move with the plot already.

Doesn't translation says Chaos Lancelot > Cath with 100% Chaos o not?

Nah more like now that Cath has transferred his Chaos forces(I think 80% of full chaos) to Lancelot even if he were to absorb Arthur and the remaining chaos he has(20% I think) he won’t be a Chaos Lancelot threat level disaster.

More than Lancelot > full chaos cath, which was already stated, it's crazier that Lancelot is considered a superior vessel than arthur, despite he'd for sure have the full control of chaos.

I just don’t think this was implied in the chapter. All Merlin was saying is that Lancelot is a far bigger threat than the current Cath even if he somehow absorb Arthur’s remaining powers so rather than hiding from Cath(who is not a threat atm anymore) like they were doing till now they better go out and help taking down Lancelot.
This is how I interpreted it

 

[Redpercy]

Nah more like now that Cath has transferred his Chaos forces(I think 80% of full chaos) to Lancelot even if he were to absorb Arthur and the remaining chaos he has(20% I think) he won’t be a Chaos Lancelot threat level disaster.

You can't be serious

 

[gustavo483838]

Translation says Chaos Lancelot > Cath with 100% Chaos.

Told ya lol.

Chaos Lancelot is the strongest.

Nakaba can make a villain stronger if he wants, but it will be multiverse shit.

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Looks like they will be trained by the Four Perils.

Right, right... Cath explicitly stating that if he had total control over Arthur's strength, he would have total mastery over the power of chaos—meaning he wouldn't need to reclaim the chaos portion from the peligs

But that might be asking too much of your reading comprehension.

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Não se trata de ser superior; Lancelot é naturalmente forte, Arthur não era forte antes do Caos.

Mas somente Arthur conseguia exercer controle total sobre o caos.

Lancelot apenas complementa a falta de poder que Cath pensava que Arthur resolveria.

Arthur também possui Excalibur, que amplifica os poderes do caos, e somente Arthur pode empunhá-la.
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Cath sugere que ele poderia dominar os Sete Pecados Capitais — mesmo sem absorver o caos do mal — se tivesse controle sobre o poder de Arthur.

 

[Rey151203]

Why ?

Because I'm starting to think that chaos might end up being the ultimate villain......