Games Mafia Game 144 - Pan the Diver - Night 3

[Copy Panda]

D4 VOTES

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DAY DURATION

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[arrowofsky]

Except his debut, Kakoha seems to have 10-12 words in his vocabulary and shuffling them on each of his 5 posts xD

 

[SirSamuel016]

On Pom though, some the activity looks town to me but I do question how genuine she is in moments.
Not much to gleam from her votes given she's been humping Nash like the chihuahua cunt from Meet the Fockers both days

 

[Natasha]

Sanity Roulette Detectives & Naval Mine World (Aka, trusting Pom, Sty det dupe & assuming there is an unclaimed bomb validating Arrow existing)

Pom, Sam, Sty, Arrow

Tatsu, Vali, Kako, Lumi

Dego, Snail, Erin

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There's a part of me that doesn't like that world simply because of the fact it's oldies vs newbies + very busy oldie.

But, like... Idk.

 

[arrowofsky]

On Pom though, some the activity looks town to me but I do question how genuine she is in moments.
Not much to gleam from her votes given she's been humping Nash like the chihuahua cunt from Meet the Fockers both days

I think I know that movie

 

[SirSamuel016]

I think I trust Styl more than Pom?
Him asking about what to do about a non-incriminating result d2 seemed genuine; if it was performative I'd have said so. Begs the question for why he wasn't blocked though if there is a scum blocker- maybe there isn't given the way certain levels seem more investigative than others

 

[Natasha]

It would also be contingent on me being blocked right now.

 

[SirSamuel016]

There's a part of me that doesn't like that world simply because of the fact it's oldies vs newbies + very busy oldie.

Mfw Erin is new and red

 

[Natasha]

Begs the question for why he wasn't blocked though if there is a scum blocker- maybe there isn't given the way certain levels seem more investigative than others

Isn't blocker the main counterplay to info? If maf blocker is in, it's on this level I think.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Stay safe man

That was just code for me taking a colossal shite, don't worry

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Isn't blocker the main counterplay to info? If maf blocker is in, it's on this level I think.

Yes. *If* is the key word in that, can't assume its a guarantee to be in as you'd think we would've heard about it by now unless their aim is like Copans after a night on the denzel frothingtons

 

[Natasha]

Accepting all Det claims still leaves us with 4 dets and 2 spies in depth 150-200.

If we can afford 1 misslynch, should it just still be Stylether so we get reads on Erin & Vali chewing at him all game?

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Wait, 4 Dets 1 Spy. Thinking Hard.

Still kinda absurd.

 

[Kakoha]

even if I came forward with info on an active claimer it wouldn't be trusted.

??? huh
weird argument ngl

What better move for mafia to make than to sit back and relax when town eats itself.

I agree tbh
and I hate that this is a fight between you and slyth alone and none of the other players are even questioned at all

Arrow

why is arrow always in your red zone ? just gut feeling or do you have other reasons ?

So yes, I still think the DD lynch was a good lynch. I'd do it again.

huh
you know you're wrong and u still wanna do it again. tbf I can't confirm the stuff you said since tbh I wasn't able to read Day1, but that's a weird statement ngl

smh

somehow

So probably a good idea to lynch someone we're absolutely certain about, which cannot possibly be me cause I'm town.

as sam says,performative
well this is the first time I play with you, so idk, but that's what feeling this gave me lol

instead lynching one of their targets that we find sus to verify their sanity

didn't they both get only innocent results ? how can we verify sanity with that ?

well tbf, as of page 46, I still don't know who to vote and I'm afraid this is just a battle between townies, but I will make a list after I finish reading, I hope I don't forget anyone. I def don't have a strong read on ppl right now tho sadly :/
I will send this and continue reading right now

 

[Vali x lucifer]

Alright, big brekkie hit the spot. Annoyed someone put olives and grapes in the same salad, almost broke a tooth on that, but that's on me, I should have realized the grape tasted olivey. It'll be the fuel for the rest of this day.




Vibereads are a thing. I'll go into my detail when I do a proper ISO now, but I've argued my general impression based on what my intuition feeds back into me when I read your posts. Between Sam, who is consistently trying to spread the chat around and generally is behaving differently from 2 games ago where he ran town as mafsam, dego who felt quite OMGUS-y, and you, where I felt a lot of intensity and some erraticism, I simply vibed less with your approach to the situation.



I don't want to turn this into a WIFOM moment, but by that logic, any scum that actually jumped onto that made themselves a target, and knowing this, they wouldn't actually do this.

Also, this is a 5 person wagon, formed and completed halfway through the game, and you're reading a whole 2 maf in it?

This feels performative.

Now I kinda hope Lumi and Arrow are town so we can look back at the end of the game and see a full exoneration of the DD lynch.




I'll do an ISO in a bit for credible potential mafia candidates, as for my reasoning on the Shino lynch: Like stated, I came in late and didn't have the time to properly read and analyse all the posts I missed, and I don't like throwing away my vote by voting someone who'd never be relevant just to meet the voting quota. So I asked for a summary, got told the Shino vote was due to an interaction between Natasha and Shino, read up on the interaction, agreed that her behavior seemed strangely uncooperative and combative and that I've noted the same vibe during d1, and felt like this was an acceptable enough reason to put my vote on the stack. In an ideal world I would have arrived earlier and considered possible alternatives, but we have the hand we are dealt.




As in, investigating the trickster goddess Natasha and the altwagon proposal of d2? Who would you have targeted if you had my det charges?



I will go to my grave (hopefully not today) defending the DD lynch. Or my vote of not diving. After a

Heck, if Gry wasn't dead, you'd be accusing him of the literal exact same things, and he's confirmed town.




Sadly not as obvious as you put it, results are anonymous, Panda confirms. We can expect every mafia member to vote Ascend 40, since their identity won't be revealed, meaning if we don't lynch a maf today we probably won't have enough numbers, even with the coordination, to guarantee a dive of 140.



Know what, I'll take the compliment, this is only my 3rd game here for the record. Got outplayed by maf both times (but one at least ended in town victory posthumously), can't wait to add a 3rd.




That is true, I've been trying my best to leave solving that to someone else and focusing elsewhere, the bomb discussions give me a headache because it feels so devoid of substance. So much WIFOM.




Stay safe man

Yes, i would also have had Gry on my shortlist ofc, but him flipping town made my suspicions on you and Nat even stronger.

 

[Natasha]

why is arrow always in your red zone ? just gut feeling or do you have other reasons ?

I spied Dego and got no result, and I trust Sam a lot socially.

Unless there is a unclaimed mafia bomb I feel like Arrow's claim doesn't fit into the game at all.

Now I'm starting to wonder if one of the unclaimed players is hiding mafia bomb, so Arrow is not locked-red atm.

??? huh
weird argument ngl

The choice wasn't easy but I wanted nothing to do with leading another lynch after I was wrong on DD & Shino.

 

[SirSamuel016]

didn't they both get only innocent results ? how can we verify sanity with that ?

if we vote who they checked and they flip red it rules out sane

 

[Natasha]

Sam do you have the hint list handy

 

[SirSamuel016]

Sam do you have the hint list handy

its not up to date but yes

Styl: So I got both active and passive roles, bit of a mixed bag, kinda like bacon and fish in the same bag. (#4)
Gry: I have 2 roles that alternate. Role A is on 0-50 and 151-200 meters depth, and role B is on 51-100 and 101-150 meters depth. I would prefer to be on role A so 0-50 and 151-200 depth is what I'd ask of us to vote. If those depths work for you all. (#5); A-P-P-A (#139)
Sam: I've got four roles for different depths (#10); 1 and 4 are the same role, just at different depths. 2 and 3 are different (#16); P-A-P-P pattern (Vanilla, Bomb defuser, bomb, vanilla)
Dego: I got 2 roles, an active and a passive one, not bad. These intercalates between dephs (#11); P-P-A-P (#138)
Arrow: I have half the depth passive town role and half the time active ones. (#12); P-A-A-P (#85)
Erin: I got 2 only , 2 passives, one of them is plain townie. (#15) P1-P2-P2-P1 pattern (#460)
Nash: A-P-P-A, I don't feel so good don't put me back in the water... (#25); Active, Vanilla, Vanilla, Active (#596)
Dd: multiple roles for different depths (#40)
Lumii: 3 different roles (#44); mix of active and passive (#47); P-A-A-P (#147)
Vali: starting out with a simple role (#54)
Mazi: I got 2 roles, 1-4 is one and in between is one, so 2-3. Prefer to dive to 2-3 the in between one. So id prefer 51-150. (#63)
Pom: A-B-B-A pattern, active and passive (#71)
Shino: A-B-A-B pattern for roles (#72); prefers B role (#74).
Tatsu: Strong no matter the depth (#81)
Holt: Fine at current depth (#82)
Snehal: P-P-P-P (#549); all townie (#551)

 

[Stylether]

Alright, time to make like Moses and split 12 11 people in twine. (Post #1 had Shino still on it, we're not on 13 but 12)

The top 6 people on my totempole, whom I won't even look into cause we only have so much time, in no particular order:

Natasha - Maftasha would have played differently, including using being burnt out to coast today.
Sam - I've felt the brunt of townleading maf sam, this ain't it.
Dego - Exonerating information goes a long way.
Pom - Aside from the number of dets I actually don't have any qualms with her vibe so far and I refuse to sus someone in a Panda game based on "number of roles seem fishy". It's a Panda game.
Tatsu - Falls into the "Forgetable Four" (no offense) together with Lumi, Eri and Kakoha, but can't put them all in the bottom so I'm going after the lowposters first.
Lumi - After all, in a game where I feel like the people leading the mislynches are acting pretty townie, surely the maf are just... sitting around enjoying the show, right?

Bottom 5
Arrow - I promised a thorough analysis and I shall provide.
Vali - After that tunnel? I'm sniffing all your posts buddy.
Eri - I'm pretty sure your entire d2 was "DD voter bad", lets double check that.
89Snail - Not forgetable for sure, but also a lowposter, so we'll see if there's substance to the madness.
Kakoha - Respect to the sub tho.


I'll start with the shorter ones so I can hit enter if this takes too long:

Mazino into Kakoha: Mazino skipped D2 entirely, complained about how d1 feels like a crapshoot whilst claiming their pattern and not really adding much else to the conversation beyond light sus at Gry, slightly greenreading DD and then voting Shino. They're all dead now, so we know it was entirely townie interaction. Kakoha then heroically entered the fight by... claiming their pattern and complaining about the mechanic. Truly an inheritor of Mazino. Hope he offers any insights on another player, preferably not dead, before day end.

Snail: Claims VT/VT/VT/VT, hasn't shifted from that. D1 interactions include doubting Natasha's vote on DD & voting sam. D2 interactions include questioning the DD vote and the dive, claiming full VT, saying something in support of the shino lynch, and voting sam. d3, missing. The way he complains about the DD vote and the dive mirrors that of other people, but with no elaboration, as if he was told to pick this battle in mafchat or something. But on the flip side, voting sam with no elaboration 2 days in a row is... too dumb to be scum? I can't believe this came up green for me, I have to be naive, why is he not up for today's lynch compared to someone who is actually trying to contribute?

Erin: d1, placeholder sam vote and rudimentary pattern explanation, vanished. d2 returned to pick a bone on the DD lynch, elaborated on pattern, comments on the bomb but doesn't want to vote inside it, places placeholder vote on me, isn't there for EoD lynch again, comes back, disagrees with the last day's lynch again, hands out a bit more info on her role, it's a pattern. Chances are, she won't be here for EoD, tomorrow she'll tell you all it was silly to lynch me for X reason, and tell you where the bulletproofs are within the pattern before disappearing again. She has been formulaic up to this point, and none of her stances have been even remotely controversial. Complete under the radar stuff.

Vali and Arrow are a bit bigger and we're 35 min away so I'll hit post and then continue~

 

[Tatsumaki]

@Tatsumaki you've been avoiding talking about yourself. Given people have started to mass claim today I would've thought you would have shared something by now.

Because you're not going to like what I'm going to say

I need Tatsu to show up and talk about herself, hard to get a read but I'm getting flashbacks to a game where she completely duped us townies

 

[SirSamuel016]

Because you're not going to like what I'm going to say

say it

 

[arrowofsky]

its not up to date but yes

Styl: So I got both active and passive roles, bit of a mixed bag, kinda like bacon and fish in the same bag. (#4)
Gry: I have 2 roles that alternate. Role A is on 0-50 and 151-200 meters depth, and role B is on 51-100 and 101-150 meters depth. I would prefer to be on role A so 0-50 and 151-200 depth is what I'd ask of us to vote. If those depths work for you all. (#5); A-P-P-A (#139)
Sam: I've got four roles for different depths (#10); 1 and 4 are the same role, just at different depths. 2 and 3 are different (#16); P-A-P-P pattern (Vanilla, Bomb defuser, bomb, vanilla)
Dego: I got 2 roles, an active and a passive one, not bad. These intercalates between dephs (#11); P-P-A-P (#138)
Arrow: I have half the depth passive town role and half the time active ones. (#12); P-A-A-P (#85)
Erin: I got 2 only , 2 passives, one of them is plain townie. (#15) P1-P2-P2-P1 pattern (#460)
Nash: A-P-P-A, I don't feel so good don't put me back in the water... (#25); Active, Vanilla, Vanilla, Active (#596)
Dd: multiple roles for different depths (#40)
Lumii: 3 different roles (#44); mix of active and passive (#47); P-A-A-P (#147)
Vali: starting out with a simple role (#54)
Mazi: I got 2 roles, 1-4 is one and in between is one, so 2-3. Prefer to dive to 2-3 the in between one. So id prefer 51-150. (#63)
Pom: A-B-B-A pattern, active and passive (#71)
Shino: A-B-A-B pattern for roles (#72); prefers B role (#74).
Tatsu: Strong no matter the depth (#81)
Holt: Fine at current depth (#82)
Snehal: P-P-P-P (#549); all townie (#551)

Hell, you did not even put my definitive claim, it is ancient.

@Natasha a lot of players also talked about redundant defensive roles especially in Copy Panda games, so I would not be so surprised if there are more defusers than bombs, especially considering that in night town people are dying.