Question About Administrator Power Level

[kkck]

I've made this point before but the issue with admins isn't exactly that they have however many trillions worth of power level. There's a component of that but they also are abstract nonsense. Their power is conceptual/metaphysical. They aren't merely powerful, they embody concepts and rules which they enforce in their territory and across the tower. Contracts by all appearances tap into this. Axis as originall framed in the blog posts were beings that rules over specific stories as authors. It's unclear how axis work outside their stories but the original framing was that there's a hierarchy to them. We don't know where urek falls in the hierarchy compared to phantaminum or whichever other axis. We don't know to what extent urek is constrained by the logic and rules of the tower or it's axis. We don't know how light or darkness relate to axis either.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

I've made this point before but the issue with admins isn't exactly that they have however many trillions worth of power level. There's a component of that but they also are abstract nonsense. Their power is conceptual/metaphysical. They aren't merely powerful, they embody concepts and rules which they enforce in their territory and across the tower. Contracts by all appearances tap into this. Axis as originall framed in the blog posts were beings that rules over specific stories as authors. It's unclear how axis work outside their stories but the original framing was that there's a hierarchy to them. We don't know where urek falls in the hierarchy compared to phantaminum or whichever other axis. We don't know to what extent urek is constrained by the logic and rules of the tower or it's axis. We don't know how light or darkness relate to axis either.

we know Urek got beat by the 6 shinies when he was at his best.

so at the very least Axis are not unbeatable by non-Axis.

and the thing is this works in favor of the FH and Zahard no matter how you view it.

Someone can’t go a Say shinies are Axis that’s why they beat Urek, because a shiny, even while weakened, lost to a nerfed FH. Why? Cause shinsoo works.

so whether all shinies are Axis or not, is irrelevant. Shinsoo just works.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

the over 9,000 bangs hype doesn’t exist in the story. That was blog post shit, which is no longer canon. So we have no idea how limits.

Yeah now that u say it was just a metaphor a reference for Enryu. He didn't fire that much bang to begin with.

him creating life from shinsoo could be either as good as Gustang, or actually beyond him depending on what that entails. Gustang can create life, but that life is tied to him.

Doubt that. Remember when Gussy died nothing happened to his writings.

 

[Demonspeed]

we know Urek got beat by the 6 shinies when he was at his best.

so at the very least Axis are not unbeatable by non-Axis.

Never happened. Urek power got stolen by them when he trusted them. If you absorb someone's power it means you are stronger?

so whether all shinies are Axis or not, is irrelevant. Shinsoo just works.

We already know they aren't.

 

[Strange]

Never happened. Urek power got stolen by them when he trusted them. If you absorb someone's power it means you are stronger?

Headcannons you know ?

urek got defeated by 6 shining ones yet urek constantly says that he kicked all of them even strongest mago got defeated by him so in what world urek had lost to them ? headcannons

pentaminum barely defeated them one by one but if urek had lost to shinies at their prime 6 vs 1 that'd be understandable someway LoL but it seems that urek at his prime would clap those guys like he did here 3 vs 1 they didn't dare to fight urek but still was funny scene though

 

[illThinkANameLater]

Headcannons you know ?

urek got defeated by 6 shining ones yet urek constantly says that he kicked all of them even strongest mago got defeated by him so in what world urek had lost to them ? headcannons

pentaminum barely defeated them one by one but if urek had lost to shinies at their prime 6 vs 1 that'd be understandable someway LoL but it seems that urek at his prime would clap those guys like he did here 3 vs 1 they didn't dare to fight urek but still was funny scene though

urek was backstabbed, mago even tried to do the same thing again on the very spin-off haha! but yeah, what phanta has got over urek is experience, so far. dunno about raw power, though.

 

[Strange]

urek was backstabbed, mago even tried to do the same thing again on the very spin-off haha! but yeah, what phanta has got over urek is experience, so far. dunno about raw power, though.

Yeah backstabbed, and i can say he lost there cuz he is naive otherwise he'd kick them

interesting fact is also why penta never tried to turn urek as one of his jewels and if he can do such thing at all


seems he cannot otherwise urek as the brightest would be far better and we shall mention that penta never gave those jewels to darkness he was obsessed with them but now suddenly urek is waltzing around like nothing and never got turned ? the brightest of them ? strongest and superior to all of them ? and interesting fact is also that why penta ran away if he was so strong ?

 

[Tir]

It's 2026 guys. Thorn isn't Enryu's power. He was supposed to deliver a complete working thorn but what was left, broken dead shards of the thorn. Only guardians I believe are powerful to break it. It's very possible that Enryu used it against guardian and hence it broke and became dead.

Besides the hype he had like being able to make life out of shinsu, controlling over 9k bangs is no longer that special. Gussy created life too. Traumerei used over 9k bangs.

I agree with this one.

Thorn is an amplifier, in other words, Enryu used it to amplify his ability to use shinsu to be slightly better than Admin's.

 

[kkck]

At this point I wouldn't be too surprised if what the thorn did was just straight up give admin powers to someone. The first thorn seeming enhances shinsoo control, the second controls space. A cool toy to stack with the thryssas.

 

[undefined]

At this point I wouldn't be too surprised if what the thorn did was just straight up give admin powers to someone. The first thorn seeming enhances shinsoo control, the second controls space. A cool toy to stack with the thryssas.

The thorn generates shinsu similar to how Urek generates his own light imo. So that would mean the Thorn grants its user an Axis's ability.

 

[Demonspeed]

At this point I wouldn't be too surprised if what the thorn did was just straight up give admin powers to someone. The first thorn seeming enhances shinsoo control, the second controls space. A cool toy to stack with the thryssas.

Each fragment gives him the ability of an Admin so that's what they do. But the Thorn's powers also vary depending on the user.

 

[Strange]

The thorn generates shinsu similar to how Urek generates his own light imo. So that would mean the Thorn grants its user an Axis's ability.

No, thorn is just a dead rock like a gem is. Thorn cannot generate shinsoo itself it helps the user to control it (if there is somewhere shinsoo) . if there wasn't shinsoo then thorn wont be able jack .

And thorn doesn't give an axis ability, As for the axis its completely different things, axis generate their own power and thorn cannot do such thing and to activate thorn it needs enormous energy and if it could generate energy baam wouldn't need anyones help yet he needs such thing .

Thorn is a jewel i am sure of that especially after seeing the thorn at the hands of pentaminum. as enryu is the slave of pentaminum 99% . but we will see that certainly and surely . front of urek baam never used jewel and if he did urek would certainly see that .


And outside god is pentaminum also no one else as it was stated in the first chapter and it makes all sense .


Arlene prayed to outside god, outside god couldn't hear him from the outside unless that guy was physically inside of the tower or close to it .


Thorn is specifically designed to control shinsoo front of an admin, otherwise you don't even need Thorn at all (unless you want to take all shinsoo and make all beings that use shinsoo fodders ) .

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Fragment 1 - Admin like authority and space distortion

Fragment 2 - Teleportation

Fragment 3 - Ability to take away shinsu from an area like zero area ability which red thryssa showed.

Fragment 4 - Additative massive power of an admin.

I think it is possible that enryu killed the 43rd floor admin and made thorn out of its body.

 

[Strange]

I think it is possible that enryu killed the 43rd floor admin and made thorn out of its body.

Nice thing you did there, so then how come that enryu could control shinso front of a guardian ?

I thought he was using shinsoo , but now seems he doesn't use shinsoo and used some other power ? maybe light ?
or you think Enryu was also using shinsoo on the outside ? or he just come used shinsoo like a guardian and ualia ? But if that was the case then Fhs shall be able use front of a guardians shinsoo but they cannot .

so your theory doesn't work here, unless Enryu inside of him has an admin piece which is impossible because outside of the tower there is no shinsoo and enry cannot have any kind of admin piece in him . Urek is an axis and not even he could control shinsoo front of a guardian (and maybe he was lazy) but still . urek never used his light to even fly so idk maybe he was just lazy .

So your theory about enryu doesn't work and even if enryu was an axis the guy cannot do jack squat against an admin without having some external power (if the guy used sihnsoo) which seems false LOL

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Nice thing you did there, so then how come that enryu could control shinso front of a guardian ?

I thought he was using shinsoo , but now seems he doesn't use shinsoo and used some other power ? maybe light ?
or you think Enryu was also using shinsoo on the outside ? or he just come used shinsoo like a guardian and ualia ? But if that was the case then Fhs shall be able use front of a guardians shinsoo but they cannot .

so your theory doesn't work here, unless Enryu inside of him has an admin piece which is impossible because outside of the tower there is no shinsoo and enry cannot have any kind of admin piece in him . Urek is an axis and not even he could control shinsoo front of a guardian (and maybe he was lazy) but still . urek never used his light to even fly so idk maybe he was just lazy .

So your theory about enryu doesn't work and even if enryu was an axis the guy cannot do jack squat against an admin without having some external power (if the guy used sihnsoo) which seems false LOL

We do not know much about enryu but there is a good chance that outside god is creator of the tower. Enryu being a follower could simply have higher shinsu authority than any given admin inside the tower.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Where does it say thorn gives guardian power?

 

[kkck]

Each fragment gives him the ability of an Admin so that's what they do. But the Thorn's powers also vary depending on the user.

How can we know that? We've never seen anyone other than bam use it.

 

[Demonspeed]

How can we know that? We've never seen anyone other than bam use it.

Blog Post.

To tell you about the Thorn,
I want to say that its full function has not been utilized yet,
and that its versatility depends greatly on the user.