Chapter Mokushiroku no Yonkishi Chapter 259 Spoilers & Discussion

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I love Zel but death fakeouts hurt the story by making death meaningless and devaluing the emotional weight of future and previous scenes. Sacrifices have to mean something somewhere. The fact that revival talks aren’t unreasonable here already hurts the narrative. Does anyone on the heroes side other than Zaratras stay dead. Elaine, Monspeet, Derieri, Meliodas, Elizabeth, Hendrickson,Arthur, Gowther, Hawk even Escanor. It has to stop somewhere. I’m not even confident I got everyone.
 

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Not really a significant difference. The most likely scenario remains that the contract cannot ever be voided.
In this worst case scenario there is still a way out. Guinevere's safety is part of the contract, so if she gets harmed the terms are broken.

So many options have been presented to deal with the issue, but people will probably still claim it's an asspull even if it's something that's been set up.
 

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I love Zel but death fakeouts hurt the story by making death meaningless and devaluing the emotional weight of future and previous scenes. Sacrifices have to mean something somewhere. The fact that revival talks aren’t unreasonable here already hurts the narrative. Does anyone on the heroes side other than Zaratras stay dead. Elaine, Monspeet, Derieri, Meliodas, Elizabeth, Hendrickson,Arthur, Gowther, Hawk even Escanor. It has to stop somewhere. I’m not even confident I got everyone.
Did we really have any faith Nakaba could kill off a character when the destiny defining / changes actual fate itself curse was being stopped repeatedly despite it being described as unstoppable?

I'd be very surprised if Zel stays permanently dead.
 

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In this worst case scenario there is still a way out. Guinevere's safety is part of the contract, so if she gets harmed the terms are broken.

So many options have been presented to deal with the issue, but people will probably still claim it's an asspull even if it's something that's been set up.
In a rational world killing her would be the rational scenario. but there's two issues with this. As preferable to what has already happened, let alone what is coming, neither the knights nor the sins have it in them to kill guenivere. Even if odds are she'd gladly rather die than watch pantcelot murder everything. The second issue is that even if any of the sins or knights had the disposition for this there's nearly zero chance of success. If the series makes even the tinies sliver of sense (which in fairness it probably doesn't) then pantscelot simply one shots anyone that even thinks of hurting guinivere. It's that's simple.
 

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The contract won't be voided; Ban will get possessed to save Lancelot.

We've already seen Guinevere's vision, so the only question left is: how will Cath agree to leave Lancelot and take over Ban instead?
 

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I could stomach Zeldris' death ( or no death, we will see) a little easier if he didn't cock suck Lancelot in his final moments and even in a vision from beyond the grave. Guy went from "don't underestimate the demon king" and chastising Lance for the harm he does to nonsense like "Thank you for holding back sooo much og my god, how noble of you, thank you thank you thank you for making me rediscover my pride as a demon and letting me fight such a strong warrior, uhhhh deeper Lancelot, harderrrr, oh by the way, Meliodas, I am actually unworthy to be called demon king, why don't you take responsibility and save my people while I die with a Lancelots cock in my mouth, byeeee"


Who wrote this shit???
 

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In a rational world killing her would be the rational scenario. but there's two issues with this. As preferable to what has already happened, let alone what is coming, neither the knights nor the sins have it in them to kill guenivere. Even if odds are she'd gladly rather die than watch pantcelot murder everything. The second issue is that even if any of the sins or knights had the disposition for this there's nearly zero chance of success. If the series makes even the tinies sliver of sense (which in fairness it probably doesn't) then pantscelot simply one shots anyone that even thinks of hurting guinivere. It's that's simple.
I said harming, not killing and that may very well include accidental harm or self harm.

But again, that's a worst case scenario if nothing else works.
 

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I could stomach Zeldris' death ( or no death, we will see) a little easier if he didn't cock suck Lancelot in his final moments and even in a vision from beyond the grave. Guy went from "don't underestimate the demon king" and chastising Lance for the harm he does to nonsense like "Thank you for holding back sooo much og my god, how noble of you, thank you thank you thank you for making me rediscover my pride as a demon and letting me fight such a strong warrior, uhhhh deeper Lancelot, harderrrr, oh by the way, Meliodas, I am actually unworthy to be called demon king, why don't you take responsibility and save my people while I die with a Lancelots cock in my mouth, byeeee"


Who wrote this shit???
Nakaba linked up with Gege Akutami and let him write this shit can’t you tell lol. Damn near everything in your comment was what Gege had a certain character of his do in jjk. At least Nakaba didn’t let Gege offscreen Zeldris death like he did his own character
 

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I could stomach Zeldris' death ( or no death, we will see) a little easier if he didn't cock suck Lancelot in his final moments and even in a vision from beyond the grave. Guy went from "don't underestimate the demon king" and chastising Lance for the harm he does to nonsense like "Thank you for holding back sooo much og my god, how noble of you, thank you thank you thank you for making me rediscover my pride as a demon and letting me fight such a strong warrior, uhhhh deeper Lancelot, harderrrr, oh by the way, Meliodas, I am actually unworthy to be called demon king, why don't you take responsibility and save my people while I die with a Lancelots cock in my mouth, byeeee"


Who wrote this shit???
This is simply the part of the sequel manga where everything that happened in the original manga gets unceremoniusly shat on. All races get separated or destroyed and the world will become a decidedly less magical place. Given how elizabeth awoke it wouldn't be too strange of she and mel end up separated or straight up dead.
 

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Speaking of Merlin she should be dead by the end of this manga. She’s genuinely so awful. The worst thing Meliodas ever did to himself was save her.
This comment put a smile on my face. Thank you.


Can't argue with that! Honestly her and Lancelot are far beyond forgiveness at this point.
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Elizabeth's awakening might be the result of one of two things :

  • The death of the behemoth : Because he possessed so much life force, when he died, it spread and awakened those who needed it.
  • The destruction of the demon realm : it tipped the world's balance of power toward the light , with darkness entirely extinguished, the Goddess Clan and their celestial realm received a massive surge in their light power.
Or.....
She was asleep/dead because it was her "human" side dying and now she's up as a whole goddess, a Supreme Diety level Goddess. And now she can't stay in Britannia for long.

What do you think of that theory @OtakuFreak ?
 

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Or.....
She was asleep/dead because it was her "human" side dying and now she's up as a whole goddess, a Supreme Diety level Goddess. And now she can't stay in Britannia for long.

What do you think of that theory @OtakuFreak ?
I really like this theory because it can also apply to Tristan.
 

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Yeah I see why I dropped this trash ass manga last year Jesus Christ nakaba please never write another series ever again

Anyways that’s my cue to re drop this series again what a waste of time

even if he does somehow revive zel im not gonna be happy he treated zeldris like garbage throughout the whole sequel
 

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Or.....
She was asleep/dead because it was her "human" side dying and now she's up as a whole goddess, a Supreme Diety level Goddess. And now she can't stay in Britannia for long.

What do you think of that theory @OtakuFreak ?
I mean the easiest counter point to this theory is that she doesn't have her wings which whole goddesses do.

If Nakaba is going to give Mel his DK powers back then Eli getting her OG body isn't impossible either, especially because she'll need it to survive using those powers again, which she has too if they actually want to keep Chaos sealed.
 

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I like the Idea that Elizabeth's humanity died which means she's full goddess now.
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---

So, is Lancelot's recent feat at a country, continent, or planetary level?
 

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As mentioned by several others, the most mysterious part of this chapter was Elizabeth waking up with a suspicious grin. Right after the destruction of DR and possibly butchering of their current ruler, it's the time for the "day of resurrection"?

The timing is bad, but the title and developments suggests Nakaba might be finally ready to give GC fans a gift? Can't let my hopes trick me when I know the author, but the point nobody has mentioned is the presence of a specific character in Liones after more than a decade.

For a long time, I'd been waiting to see what happened after Merlin meddled with SD's plan in Cursed by Light. And I hoped she will use what she extracted from SD using Aldan. Did Merlin visit Ellie while Mel was asleep? Can this be another one of her plans? To let SD go rampant against Chaos and call for her elite soldiers, the AAs, to join the war? That's a great opportunity for that, and it's so like Merlin to be saving the day in way that means a bigger catastrophe lmao.

About Mel's OG magic, I can see signs of its return in this chapter. But that would be a bad decision. There was a deeper meaning in losing that ability. That power itself doesn't make someone worthy of the title of the king. What's the point of all those philosophical interpretations when what finally saves the world from Chaos is exactly the same thing Mel deliberately sacrificed? That's a very dark scenario that negates previous developments, and is alien to NnT/4KotA universe to some extents. Of course if Nakaba chooses that route and make good use of the opportunity, I'll be satisfied with auch a dark worldview!

@Mountain-Photo-165 , what about your theory that Lancelot needs a Dubs made lance to destroy realms, huh? You wanna start thinking of his Chaos enhanced lance more seriously after this chapter?

DC fans are seemingly on a rampage badmouthing Nakaba because he's finally decided not to lick demon bros arse for the first time since the start of NnT. That's a funny observation lol.
 
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@Mountain-Photo-165 , what about your theory that Lancelot needs a Dubs made lance to destroy realms, huh? You wanna start thinking of his Chaos enhanced lance more seriously after this chapter?
I literally said he's gonna nuke the demon realm yesterday 😂

Why would Lancelot head to any place other than Britannia ?

He got consumed by Malice completely , he can't hold back his destructive urges , he's just gonna nuke the demon realm and head to Britannia where Cath wants him to go.
Also, my old theory was based on his feats in Camelot because it took him days to destroy it. I didn't think he was holding back; I simply thought he couldn't use a full-powered Shining Road with his spear. I only started thinking he was holding back after I saw his performance against Zeldris.
 

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The leading theory from what I've read is that people think Elizabeth has been possessed by the Supreme Deity, all because of her smile which is characteristically very unlike Eli to do (I don't recall her ever making a smile like that before, even as the Bloody Ellie?).

What are the odds its actually the SD? It... could be fitting? I've never believed for certain she's been dead since her graces are still active and if they can revive the archangels, why can't she eventually come back? Perhaps her being ''killed'' was just in a physical sense, and she's been a wandering soul or spirit without any way to interact with the physical world.... until Eli turned herself into basically the perfect (and only) vessel for her by putting herself in a coma. It would be ideal, since Eli's spirit wouldn't be there to fight off the possession.

The timing of it too is extremely convenient, unless that's just Nakaba doing this to encourage Mel to actually do something other than be depressed.... but that smile after coming out of the new Demon King being killed and the destruction of the demon realm.... I'm sure the SD would've loved that.

I don't know if the story can even fit her in at the moment, but not an impossible twist for Nakaba to do, I'm not expecting it though.
 

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why i keep seeing ban getting possessed by chaos? cath would be stupid to leave lance for ban... other than his body he isnt a better choice than lance
 
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