Chapter Fairy Tail: 100YQ Chapter 223 Discussion

Laboon

Registered User
上級員 / Jyoukuuin / Sr. Member
Joined
Jan 27, 2017
Messages
431
Reaction score
1,483
Gender
Hidden
Country
Fairy Tail
I didn’t say Laxus was a main character, but in terms of both writing and having meaningful, impactful scenes, he was consistently better developed than Mira at least until Hiro had him wander around aimlessly for almost year just so he could eventually share a scene with Mira.

But yeah since Mira just hangs around the guild hall and greets people, she has likely appeared more often than Laxus has.
That's pretty debatable—Laxus definitely has better fights than Mira. But as for better writing and impactful moments, that's really open to interpretation. Mira has been the heart of Fairy Tail since the second chapter of the manga, to the point where the main character literally cried just seeing her. Both Mira and Laxus are super well-developed characters, so it's kinda weird seeing you act like Mira's just some irrelevant extra. If we look at the last two arcs of the main manga, Mira fought one of the strongest demons in Tartaros, while Laxus fought Tempester and then vanished for the rest of the arc. In Alvarez, Mira got garbage fights but a really cool power upgrade, whereas Laxus got a hype fight, but against the weakest Spriggan according to the author himself. You can't just judge a character's importance purely by their fight screen time. Or would you argue that Sting is more relevant than Laxus just because he fought a top 3 Spriggan?
 

Shiki_Dragneel

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Aug 15, 2022
Messages
587
Reaction score
1,074
Country
Alvarez Empire
1-Nothing to do with who is stronger
2-Laxus had Wraith help and Wendy buff against Levia's hax
3-Base Laxus is already stronger than both combined.
4-Nothing to do with who is stronger either
5-Levia in his human form was already has better feats
6-Lots of tactics were used against Dragon Levia
7-Take Over is hax and Elfman couldn't hold him for much time.
8-New spell ≠ the spell being Base Laxus level
9-Unless Gray has black ice or any solid rage boost he is a Skullion victim.
10-Literally nothing to do with who is stronger if the team combined is weaker than Base Laxus alone.
11-And the expectation is that his dragon form will fill the gap because...
1. Never said that. I only ranked how they were potrayed. I am more interest in spells/attacks than in powerscaling. But imo Earthbuild and Anchor are also the strongest one so far tbh.
2. Juvia is the only one (so far) who can counter Anchors magic because of her water magic. Without Juvia no one can battle him. Maybe her special water magic called "water" is the reason why she can counter him. I am not sure if someone with "normal" water magic can counter his water spells too. Juvia is the only one we know who can turn into water, so if he turns people into water, only Juvia can stop him. She rescued Gray 2x thanks to her special water magic. 1. When Achor summoned water and made the water heavy and the second time against the spell with that he turns people into water. Maybe her water mixed with Anchors water, but I am not sure about that. Wendys DS buff got everyone so it's not specal about Laxus. Wraiths help is more similar but also not the exact same thing because this guy is already dead and he can't help him another time.
3. Maybe, I am not sure and tbh I don't care if he is. My point was about the battle, it was more a team battle than that what we got from the Levia battle. And I prefer team battles, especially against strong enemies ^^
4. I never said that it has to do with powerscaling. We also discussed about the battles overall and the things I mentioned were all better imo
5. Really? I thought hax doesn't count :p Anchor used his water hax spells against Gray and Levia his life jail hax magic. Both can defeat/kill all FT members without special help/counters, imo it's the same feat. Anchors magic would work on Laxus too and without Juvia he would be dead just like Gray, there is no different ^^ besides that you hate the battle against Anchor more it seems?
6. Yes, but against Anchor were used more.
7. Juvias special water magic is also hax in a way and even if we talk about powerscaling Juvia->Elfman, I don't see how Elfman can defeat her and overall Juvia is stronger and more helpful in most of the battles.
8. Doesn't matter which spell is stronger or not. Are you only interest in powerful spells? So if someone only use one spell it's enough for you? So you must really like Jellals Grand Chariot spell? xD
9. Skullion was a hax user too. I tought you don't count hax users? Well anyway imo we can't compare all battles and characters. Laxus can also be a hax victim like he was the one from Kiria, so is he now a Kiria level character? Hax users are dangerous for a reason. They not only have only a high MP level but have also special hax magic with that many characters would be dead (with out plot armor of course). Laxus would also be a Anchor victim he can't counter his magic.
10. I am talking about the battle overall and not about who is stronger
11. He was already better potrayed than both Scissor and Levia and that only in his human form, so even if we don't see much in his dragon form it will be still better overall than what we got from Scissor and Levia together and that in many ways. He showed us more of his magic, his battle was better and longer and imo he is even stronger than them. At least than Scissor.

Well thats just my opinion but imo Earthbuild and Anchor were potrayed better than the other 3 CB. Levia and Scissor were the most boring ones and probably even the weakest ones so far.
 

Elfman

Registered User
初心者/ Shoshinsha / Beginner
Joined
Dec 7, 2019
Messages
42
Reaction score
180
Age
37
Country
United States
Elfman literally had the situation of two Dragon Gods under wraps by himself. Had one bend to his will and literally became him, and then one shot a dragon like NOTHING. Literally swatted him. He gave the team the briefest of chances for Hot Eye to trap him, with enough time for Laxus and Mira to Possibly beat Levia.

And Elfman, like Aldron power up, got a Levia power up in the end.

Fecken beautiful.

I'd like to see ONE person have the situation under control against two Dragon gods. One bent to his will, the other bent to his pimp hand.

Elfman the new top wizard of Fairy Tail :teehee
 

Maguilty

Registered User
中級員 / Chuukyuuin / Member
Joined
Jul 20, 2020
Messages
108
Reaction score
244
Age
29
Country
Hong Kong
So people prefer bs powerup / new form out of nowhere rather than team fights with strategy.
Bruhhhhhh :hee
 

Loke

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Feb 20, 2016
Messages
856
Reaction score
1,557
Age
30
Country
United States
I am more interest in spells/attacks than in powerscaling. But imo Earthbuild and Anchor are also the strongest one so far tbh.
Earthbuild aside, Anchor was pressured into using his dragon form against wizards w/o slayer attribute. Levia is firmly above him in terms of strength AND kit :yodawg
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---

So people prefer bs powerup / new form out of nowhere rather than team fights with strategy.
Bruhhhhhh :hee
That's what it seems like. Personally I don't see anything particularly wrong with how this fight wrapped up.
 

Hekentroy

Registered User
中級員 / Chuukyuuin / Member
Joined
Sep 11, 2023
Messages
249
Reaction score
355
Age
20
Country
Chile
Honestly, this chapter is quite bad; the siblings really just made that fight worse. As it turns out, the only dragons given any real relevance were Earth Build and Anchor the other three were basically just filler.

The Aldaron arc never should have forced other characters into a Team Natsu mission.
 

Loke

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Feb 20, 2016
Messages
856
Reaction score
1,557
Age
30
Country
United States
Honestly, this chapter is quite bad; the siblings really just made that fight worse. As it turns out, the only dragons given any real relevance were Earth Build and Anchor the other three were basically just filler.

The Aldaron arc never should have forced other characters into a Team Natsu mission.
The relevance in question: Anchor claiming to be the Water Dragon God i.e. being fraudulent.
 

Steven

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Jul 14, 2020
Messages
2,263
Reaction score
4,055
Age
35
Country
Germany
Just realized you're the same guy malding so bad over the recent Bleach downscale that you resorted to racism
wtf are you talking about?I dont care about clorox
 

Shiki_Dragneel

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Aug 15, 2022
Messages
587
Reaction score
1,074
Country
Alvarez Empire
Earthbuild aside, Anchor was pressured into using his dragon form against wizards w/o slayer attribute. Levia is firmly above him in terms of strength AND kit :yodawg
That doesn't matter tbh. Most of his spells are hax spells, if the opponent is someone who can counter this then it doesn't matter if the one has a DS attribut or not. In his dragon form he can at least use his physical power as a dragon to hurt/defeat them (in theory of course) if he has not other abilities.

People are too much obsessed from powerscaling that they don't see the difference anymore between DS and not DS.

Don't get me wrong I wish we would got all DS in the battles against the dragons mixed with the non DS in team battles. But it doesn't matter if DS or not. Anchors hax would kill most of the DS it doesn't matter if they have the DS attribut or not. If you don't have a counter against it you are dead or you will get plot armor.


Because of that a mix between DS and non DS against the dragons would be the best way to defeat them but sadly this was not the case. But still compared to the battle against Levia, Scissor and Motherglare Anchors batte was still better and imo he was also potrayed stronger because of hix hax. Motherglare and Scissor don't have hax abilities and with that what they showed us imo they were not more impressive. Levia with hix hax ability is maybe on the same level or maybe stronger or weaker. I don't know and I also don't care so much about that like others. Imo he is so far stronger than Levia but even if not who cares? He still showed us much better things and his battle was longer and better and thats enough for me to put like him and his battle more than the others.
 

MyaHeart35

Registered User
上級員 / Jyoukuuin / Sr. Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2022
Messages
318
Reaction score
403
Age
25
Country
United States
Earthbuild aside, Anchor was pressured into using his dragon form against wizards w/o slayer attribute. Levia is firmly above him in terms of strength AND kit :yodawg
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---



That's what it seems like. Personally I don't see anything particularly wrong with how this fight wrapped up.
Not the ending itself, but the dragons could have shown much more. These dragons should be much stronger than the average dragon after a 400 year amp, scissor didn't show much. Plus both were oneshotted in dragon form.

Even though Wendy made them stronger, these Levia and scissor didn't seem like too much of a threat. Tbh the BDSK seem more like a threat against fairy tail.
 
Last edited:

Loke

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Feb 20, 2016
Messages
856
Reaction score
1,557
Age
30
Country
United States
That doesn't matter tbh. Most of his spells are hax spells, if the opponent is someone who can counter this then it doesn't matter if the one has a DS attribut or not. In his dragon form he can at least use his physical power as a dragon to hurt/defeat them (in theory of course) if he has not other abilities.

People are too much obsessed from powerscaling that they don't see the difference anymore between DS and not DS.

Don't get me wrong I wish we would got all DS in the battles against the dragons mixed with the non DS in team battles. But it doesn't matter if DS or not. Anchors hax would kill most of the DS it doesn't matter if they have the DS attribut or not. If you don't have a counter against it you are dead or you will get plot armor.


Because of that a mix between DS and non DS against the dragons would be the best way to defeat them but sadly this was not the case. But still compared to the battle against Levia, Scissor and Motherglare Anchors batte was still better and imo he was also potrayed stronger because of hix hax. Motherglare and Scissor don't have hax abilities and with that what they showed us imo they were not more impressive. Levia with hix hax ability is maybe on the same level or maybe stronger or weaker. I don't know and I also don't care so much about that like others. Imo he is so far stronger than Levia but even if not who cares? He still showed us much better things and his battle was longer and better and thats enough for me to put like him and his battle more than the others.
You brought up portrayal so it does matter. Moreover, Levia is clearly more hax than Anchor to begin with. He's the most hax CB in general.
 

Hekentroy

Registered User
中級員 / Chuukyuuin / Member
Joined
Sep 11, 2023
Messages
249
Reaction score
355
Age
20
Country
Chile
The relevance in question: Anchor claiming to be the Water Dragon God i.e. being fraudulent.
It doesn’t matter how it looks; because at the very least, those characters were given something more to show, where the others not so much, In Scissor’s case, it could be even worse not only did he spend most of his time off-screen, and was also defeated quickly but inserting himself into Levia’s fight, he essentially ruined it.
 

AmitDS

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Apr 1, 2016
Messages
1,234
Reaction score
1,992
Age
33
Country
Trinidad and Tobago
I had a headcanon Mira would use like some black rose curse magic to match the other girls, totally forgetting she already has Mard Geer's thorn curse lmao
 

MyaHeart35

Registered User
上級員 / Jyoukuuin / Sr. Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2022
Messages
318
Reaction score
403
Age
25
Country
United States
That doesn't matter tbh. Most of his spells are hax spells, if the opponent is someone who can counter this then it doesn't matter if the one has a DS attribut or not. In his dragon form he can at least use his physical power as a dragon to hurt/defeat them (in theory of course) if he has not other abilities.

People are too much obsessed from powerscaling that they don't see the difference anymore between DS and not DS.

Don't get me wrong I wish we would got all DS in the battles against the dragons mixed with the non DS in team battles. But it doesn't matter if DS or not. Anchors hax would kill most of the DS it doesn't matter if they have the DS attribut or not. If you don't have a counter against it you are dead or you will get plot armor.


Because of that a mix between DS and non DS against the dragons would be the best way to defeat them but sadly this was not the case. But still compared to the battle against Levia, Scissor and Motherglare Anchors batte was still better and imo he was also potrayed stronger because of hix hax. Motherglare and Scissor don't have hax abilities and with that what they showed us imo they were not more impressive. Levia with hix hax ability is maybe on the same level or maybe stronger or weaker. I don't know and I also don't care so much about that like others. Imo he is so far stronger than Levia but even if not who cares? He still showed us much better things and his battle was longer and better and thats enough for me to put like him and his battle more than the others.
Motherglare doesn't have hax but her raw power is much superior.
 

Shiki_Dragneel

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Aug 15, 2022
Messages
587
Reaction score
1,074
Country
Alvarez Empire
You brought up portrayal so it does matter. Moreover, Levia is clearly more hax than Anchor to begin with. He's the most hax CB in general.
Not it doesn't because no one of the FT cast so far we know could counter his hax bar Juvia, so it doesn't matter if someone has a DS attribut or not it would not change anything in the battle against Anchor. If he use his spell with that he turns people into water then the battle would be over with or without DS.


I would not say that Levia is more hax than Anchor. Levia can catch the souls of people while Anchor can turn people into water in both cases they would be dead (with out plot armor or special counter abilities).

But Anchor showed us also other spells which were also dangerous and powerful like the heavy water spell, his chain spell, his poison water, etc.

Sure with special counters like Juvia you can counter most of his spells, but not everyone can do it, so if someone who is stronger than Gray would fight Anchor (without Juvia) the one would not have any chance against Anchor.
 

AmitDS

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Apr 1, 2016
Messages
1,234
Reaction score
1,992
Age
33
Country
Trinidad and Tobago
With these last few chapters it's safe to say that Mira is arguably the most lethal S class mage given her access to curses like Macro. She can match Erza/Laxus' offense, speed and defence AND also just command enemies to do what she wants.
 
Last edited:

Loke

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Feb 20, 2016
Messages
856
Reaction score
1,557
Age
30
Country
United States
It doesn’t matter how it looks; because at the very least, those characters were given something more to show, where the others not so much, In Scissor’s case, it could be even worse not only did he spend most of his time off-screen, and was also defeated quickly but inserting himself into Levia’s fight, he essentially ruined it.
More=/= better. Levia has the best written CB fight thus far. Everything made complete sense here. Anchor is competing with Motherglare for worst. A dragon that somehow is not used to fighting in her dragon form and I don't even know what the logic is behind Gray's strat here but it was effective? Lame all around


With these last few chapters it's safe to say that Mira is arguably the most lethal S class mage given her access to curses like Macro. She can match Erza/Laxus offense, speed and defence AND also just command enemies to do what she wants.
She may even have Memento Mori given she's using Mard's Thorns not to mention Daemon's abilities. She's kinda nuts rn.
 

AmitDS

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Apr 1, 2016
Messages
1,234
Reaction score
1,992
Age
33
Country
Trinidad and Tobago
More=/= better. Levia has the best written CB fight thus far. Everything made complete sense here. Anchor is competing with Motherglare for worst. A dragon that somehow is not used to fighting in her dragon form and I don't even know what the logic is behind Gray's strat here but it was effective? Lame all around




She may even have Memento Mori given she's using Mard's Thorns not to mention Daemon's abilities. She's kinda nuts rn.
She likely has all lol. I was trying to be nice. Silver is the only 1 question
 
Top