Chapter Mokushiroku no Yonkishi Chapter 260 Spoilers & Discussion

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I don't think we can say for certain Meliodas sacrificed his unique magic back in the day. Nakaba never really addressed it or what it does. Add to that, supposedly meliodas has grown stronger since he sacrificed his power to destroy the commandments. If there's a moment to actually explain any of this it's now though i wouldn't go as far as saying Meliodas can defeat pantcelot with it.
True , I never really understood why Meliodas had to sacrifice his innate magic along with his white form

But it would seem that those two are connected but it's obviously bs writing because Meliodas's true magic is too busted for the story regardless of the raw power and stats of his white form.
 

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pretty sure mel gave it up so it wouldnt cause any environmental damage
 

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TM Meliodas is surely not overrated.

Emo Meliodas(far weaker than true Mel) without the use of Darkness went from fodder purgatory beast to holding his own and damaging the TRUE BODY of the DK himself like bruh. Heck Purgatory undead Ban who should be as strong as EOS Ban(without courechouse) couldn’t do anything to this DK and had to run for his life even tho he had the help of Wild (who should be just as strong as Ban if not stronger).
Again this was just emotion Meliodas, not even the base form of the real one.
He went from this
to destroying the very flesh of the DK.

Reminder that DK true body has far better physical strength and body than post purgatory ban as he was able to effortlessly press him like this.
even Wild sacrificing his life force to boost his stat could at best get through the top layer of the DK’s skin.
(Forget every glaze King was spouting on his brother in law. DK has by far the best physical stats among the OG cast and would crush Ban’s body 24/7).


Well I wanted to glaze purgatory DK a little since he’s so underrated(mostly through statements of peoples who never met him) but yeah Mel’s TM is sure not overrated. It sure is an asspull, underdeveloped, sidelined or everything we want but this thing sure is a game changer. It has the best feats in NNT if we exclude the Chaos saga and that’s a fact.
 

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The Demon King was immortal, meaning that even if he were defeated, he would revive ; thus, to end his immortality, Meliodas had to sacrifice his power.

Furthermore, the Demon King possessed "The Ruler," an ability that made him immune to Meliodas's true magic hax , so there's that.

The demon king and Balin are the only characters who can survive Meliodas's true magic , Lancelot has no such immunity.
The Demon King immortal? He literally needed Meliodas or Zeldris as vessels because he wasn't, lol

You can keep larping and glazing true magic all you want.
Go ahead and add this to your list of copium, right alongside the Dark Hazy Moon.

But the undeniable fact is that, at best, Meliodas is only slightly stronger than the Demon King.

Meanwhile, everything in the story confirms Lancelot’s overwhelming superiority over him, and Meliodas’s True Magic doesn't even come close to his level.

I don't think we can say for certain Meliodas sacrificed his unique magic back in the day. Nakaba never really addressed it or what it does. Add to that, supposedly meliodas has grown stronger since he sacrificed his power to destroy the commandments. If there's a moment to actually explain any of this it's now though i wouldn't go as far as saying Meliodas can defeat pantcelot with it.
It was explicitly stated in the chapter where it appeared that Meliodas’s true magic collided with the Ten Commandments, with both destroying each other.

So, could it return? Perhaps, but according to the story, his true magic and the Ten Commandments destroyed one another as a result of their collision.
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TM Meliodas is surely not overrated.

Emo Meliodas(far weaker than true Mel) without the use of Darkness went from fodder purgatory beast to holding his own and damaging the TRUE BODY of the DK himself like bruh. Heck Purgatory undead Ban who should be as strong as EOS Ban(without courechouse) couldn’t do anything to this DK and had to run for his life even tho he had the help of Wild (who should be just as strong as Ban if not stronger).
Again this was just emotion Meliodas, not even the base form of the real one.
He went from this
to destroying the very flesh of the DK.

Reminder that DK true body has far better physical strength and body than post purgatory ban as he was able to effortlessly press him like this.
even Wild sacrificing his life force to boost his stat could at best get through the top layer of the DK’s skin.
(Forget every glaze King was spouting on his brother in law. DK has by far the best physical stats among the OG cast and would crush Ban’s body 24/7).


Well I wanted to glaze purgatory DK a little since he’s so underrated(mostly through statements of peoples who never met him) but yeah Mel’s TM is sure not overrated. It sure is an asspull, underdeveloped, sidelined or everything we want but this thing sure is a game changer. It has the best feats in NNT if we exclude the Chaos saga and that’s a fact.
He is overrated the moment you start describing him as anything more than just slightly stronger than the Demon King, because that is literally the best of what we have seen from him.

Comparing him to Lancelot or Chaos is pure glaze.

I doubt that he could even defeat Hawk.
 

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The Demon King immortal? He literally needed Meliodas or Zeldris as vessels because he wasn't, lol

You can keep larping and glazing true magic all you want.
Go ahead and add this to your list of copium, right alongside the Dark Hazy Moon.

But the undeniable fact is that, at best, Meliodas is only slightly stronger than the Demon King.

Meanwhile, everything in the story confirms Lancelot’s overwhelming superiority over him, and Meliodas’s True Magic doesn't even come close to his level.
What does him needing vessels have to do with his immortality ?

The Demon King is a god and Merlin explained that he'll revive no matter what.
Also , I agree that Lancelot has more magic and power than True Magaic Meliodas but we're talking about hax here.

Lancelot has no way to deal with Meliodas's hax despite having more power than him.

I just don't see how Lancelot could survive in a fight with him when all it takes is just 1 attack from Meliodas and Lancelot is destroyed.

Same thing goes for Hawk and possibly even Supreme Deity but it's debatable if she could withstand it with her perfect time.
 

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The true magic ass pull was a last minute invention that defied the previously established data. It was a very bad idea because it belittled wild's apparent sacrifice. Wild came back later though!!

Then Meliodas used it to destroy the decrees. There were some drama about the consequences of losing this power. He said he doesn't need such power to rule over DC with fear.

Bringing that ex machina back despite that specific dialogue between brothers, is not only out of character for Mel, but it also negates the way the two of them define a good king. Killing DK only to become a second DK less than two decades later! Letting go of the ideals they had and accept the harsh reality, that Mel needs to become the embodiment of disaster himself to fight another one! That's not expected of a NnT/MnYK main character. This manga hasn't have that kind of irony to it so far!

Do people like last minute ex machina ass pulls this much? Do they prefer OG magic this much? I don't know what to say about it!
 

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Are people defending Meliodas’ Og magic? because I feel like the fact that we’re calling it that instead of a proper name should put an end to that.
 

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What does him needing vessels have to do with his immortality ?

The Demon King is a god and Merlin explained that he'll revive no matter what.
Also , I agree that Lancelot has more magic and power than True Magaic Meliodas but we're talking about hax here.

Lancelot has no way to deal with Meliodas's hax despite having more power than him.

I just don't see how Lancelot could survive in a fight with him when all it takes is just 1 attack from Meliodas and Lancelot is destroyed.

Same thing goes for Hawk and possibly even Supreme Deity but it's debatable if she could withstand it with her perfect time.
The fact that he can revived contradicts the idea that he is truly immortal, or at best, he have one of the lowest forms of immortality, immortality through reincarnation or the transfer of one’s soul into other bodies (via the Ten Commandments).

In other words, all he can when he dies (or even before death occurs) is shift his soul into another suitable vessel (if he find it, or get a unsuitable vessel)

The real immortality implies that an person cannot be killed/never ages.
But the Demon King ages (which is precisely why he needed the bodies of his own sons, as he was dying of old age) and he can be physically killed (Nemesis literally killed him).

As for Meliodas’s True Magic form, don’t you see how weak your argument is?
Without a shred of evidence, you are assuming that Meliodas true magic possesses a absolute form of existence erasure that is impossible to resist or counter, and you expect others to simply accept this, even though everything that has been stated or shown regarding Meliodas true magic only show that he is slightly stronger than the Demon King.
 

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The true magic ass pull was a last minute invention that defied the previously established data. It was a very bad idea because it belittled wild's apparent sacrifice. Wild came back later though!!

Then Meliodas used it to destroy the decrees. There were some drama about the consequences of losing this power. He said he doesn't need such power to rule over DC with fear.

Bringing that ex machina back despite that specific dialogue between brothers, is not only out of character for Mel, but it also negates the way the two of them define a good king. Killing DK only to become a second DK less than two decades later! Letting go of the ideals they had and accept the harsh reality, that Mel needs to become the embodiment of disaster himself to fight another one! That's not expected of a NnT/MnYK main character. This manga hasn't have that kind of irony to it so far!

Do people like last minute ex machina ass pulls this much? Do they prefer OG magic this much? I don't know what to say about it!
I don't think it should be brought back; it was truly an asspull and makes no sense plot-wise.

However, I'd prefer Meliodas going Indura so that he ends up in the same situation as Elizabeth—that would be cool.

Elizabeth sacrificed her consciousness to use Perfect Time, and Meliodas should do the same.

The fact that he can revived contradicts the idea that he is truly immortal, or at best, he have one of the lowest forms of immortality, immortality through reincarnation or the transfer of one’s soul into other bodies (via the Ten Commandments).

In other words, all he can when he dies (or even before death occurs) is shift his soul into another suitable vessel (if he find it, or get a unsuitable vessel)

The real immortality implies that an person cannot be killed/never ages.
But the Demon King ages (which is precisely why he needed the bodies of his own sons, as he was dying of old age) and he can be physically killed (Nemesis literally killed him).

As for Meliodas’s True Magic form, don’t you see how weak your argument is?
Without a shred of evidence, you are assuming that Meliodas true magic possesses a absolute form of existence erasure that is impossible to resist or counter, and you expect others to simply accept this, even though everything that has been stated or shown regarding Meliodas true magic only show that he is slightly stronger than the Demon King.
I'm not sure how his immortality works, but whatever the case, it's not something that can be destroyed that easily, even by existence erasure.

I'm not sure why you don't accept that Meliodas's magic is destruction hax.

I've already explained it to you, not to mention that the Demon King himself referred to Meliodas as the source of destruction.

Meliodas is, in fact, slightly stronger than the Demon King, but against Lancelot, it's a bad matchup.

Lancelot doesn't have 'The Ruler' or any way to counter Meliodas's True Magic, so he has no way to defend against it like the Demon King did, or the Supreme Deity with her Perfect Time.

Lancelot might have Infinite Magic, but that's it.

The only way I could imagine Lancelot winning is if he surpasses Meliodas physically to the point where Meliodas can't keep up with him, even in his True Magic state.

However, I don't see True Magic Meliodas getting fodderized stat-wise but maybe you do.
 

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I'm not sure how his immortality works, but whatever the case, it's not something that can be destroyed that easily, even by existence erasure.
Not really.
All you have to do is destroy the Ten Commandments after killing him.


I'm not sure why you don't accept that Meliodas's magic is destruction hax.

I've already explained it to you, not to mention that the Demon King himself referred to Meliodas as the source of destruction.
Because you haven’t supported any of your claims with evidence.

You simply disregarded the official account, began fabricating things from your own imagination and personal interpretation, and then expected everyone to believe it.
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What’s stopping me from claiming that Lancelot also possesses the ability to erase existence?

And unlike Meliodas’s True Magic, for which all such claims are baseless and merely stem from fans trying to glaze him, we have actually seen the Remnants of Destruction erase people.

What Lancelot did is, in fact, far closer to existence erasure than anything Meliodas’s True Magic has ever demonstrated.
 

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Because you haven’t supported any of your claims with evidence.

You simply disregarded the official account, began fabricating things from your own imagination and personal interpretation, and then expected everyone to believe it.
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What’s stopping me from claiming that Lancelot also possesses the ability to erase existence?

And unlike Meliodas’s True Magic, for which all such claims are baseless and merely stem from fans trying to glaze him, we have actually seen the Remnants of Destruction erase people.

What Lancelot did is, in fact, far closer to existence erasure than anything Meliodas’s True Magic has ever demonstrated.
But Nakaba literally showed us Meliodas destroying the Demon King's arm, and he even had the Demon King call Meliodas a 'source of destruction.'

Also Do you think destroying the curses placed upon him and Elizabeth only required raw power, or a specific type of destroyer magic?

Saying it's just raw power makes no sense, because Meliodas can already reflect attacks with that level of power using his Full Counter—just like how he multiplied the power of Nemesis.

So, how can you still reject the idea that his magic is a destroyer type? That makes no sense.

Just curious, what do you think his magic actually is?
 

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But Nakaba literally showed us Meliodas destroying the Demon King's arm, and he even had the Demon King call Meliodas a 'source of destruction.'
You don’t need to erase existence to destroy the Demon King’s arm, nor do you need to be titled The Destroyer.
Possessing an very high level of raw offensive power is sufficient for that.


Also Do you think destroying the curses placed upon him and Elizabeth only required raw power, or a specific type of destroyer magic?
It was stated explicitly that possessing a power level equal to the DK/SD is sufficient to break the curses.
This is why Meliodas initially attempted to absorb the Ten Commandments, to reach that level of power without having to rely on his true magic.
Therefore, in terms of canon, all that is required to break the curses is to be at the power level of the DK/SD or higher.


So, how can you still reject the idea that his magic is a destroyer type? That makes no sense.
Who said I object to the possibility of it being a Destruction-Type?
I object to the notion of erasure of existence, a concept that has no basis whatsoever.
There is a vast difference between the two.

"Destruction-Type" is one of the nine categories of magic in this world, that "allows the user to wield magical power with destructive properties, whether through natural forces like thunder or flame, or through an unnatural, dark force."

Do you have any idea how many types of Destruction-Type magic exist in this world? Do you think that all of them are erasure of existence too?


Just curious, what do you think his magic actually is?
We haven’t been given any information about it, other than the fact that Meliodas in this form is slightly stronger than the Demon King.
It might be a destruction type ability (which is likely, given the damage it dealt to the Demon King’s arm), but that’s all we know. Anything beyond that is just pure speculation or glazing.
More importantly, the core point is that, regardless of the nature of his power in this form, Meliodas true magic is simply just a bit stronger than the Demon King, and he wouldn’t stand a chance against Lancelot.

Some of you aren’t thinking logically, you’re looking at this through the lens of an fanboyish view.
Why would you think Nakaba-sensei would grant Meliodas an absolute hax ability, one that surpasses even those stronger than him?

You’re like someone arguing that Gowther hax could defeat any character in the entire verse.

Or even more similaire, what you doing is akin to how some One Piece fans, who arguing that Luffy’s Gear 5 possesses toon force and is a reality-warper limited only by his own imagination, when, in reality, he is at best island-tier
 

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You don’t need to erase existence to destroy the Demon King’s arm, nor do you need to be titled The Destroyer.
Possessing an very high level of raw offensive power is sufficient for that.




It was stated explicitly that possessing a power level equal to the DK/SD is sufficient to break the curses.
This is why Meliodas initially attempted to absorb the Ten Commandments, to reach that level of power without having to rely on his true magic.
Therefore, in terms of canon, all that is required to break the curses is to be at the power level of the DK/SD or higher.




Who said I object to the possibility of it being a Destruction-Type?
I object to the notion of erasure of existence, a concept that has no basis whatsoever.
There is a vast difference between the two.

"Destruction-Type" is one of the nine categories of magic in this world, that "allows the user to wield magical power with destructive properties, whether through natural forces like thunder or flame, or through an unnatural, dark force."

Do you have any idea how many types of Destruction-Type magic exist in this world? Do you think that all of them are erasure of existence too?




We haven’t been given any information about it, other than the fact that Meliodas in this form is slightly stronger than the Demon King.
It might be a destruction type ability (which is likely, given the damage it dealt to the Demon King’s arm), but that’s all we know. Anything beyond that is just pure speculation or glazing.
More importantly, the core point is that, regardless of the nature of his power in this form, Meliodas true magic is simply just a bit stronger than the Demon King, and he wouldn’t stand a chance against Lancelot.

Some of you aren’t thinking logically, you’re looking at this through the lens of an fanboyish view.
Why would you think Nakaba-sensei would grant Meliodas an absolute hax ability, one that surpasses even those stronger than him?

You’re like someone arguing that Gowther hax could defeat any character in the entire verse.

Or even more similaire, what you doing is akin to how some One Piece fans, who arguing that Luffy’s Gear 5 possesses toon force and is a reality-warper limited only by his own imagination, when, in reality, he is at best island-tier
I obviously don't think Meliodas's destruction power is absolute.

For instance, I don't think it could kill Chaos. However, I’m certain there are characters in other anime with even more broken destruction abilities—like Beerus, whose 'Hakai' could surely eliminate Chaos.

What I'm trying to say is that while Meliodas's power functions as a hax rather than an absolute rule, it can still negate the durability of much stronger beings.

It’s similar to Shigaraki’s 'Decay' from My Hero Academia; he might not be physically superior, but his quirk allows him to destroy far more powerful opponents just by touching them.
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Also, the Demon King in Purgatory is way stronger than the Demon King Zeldris is familiar with, or the one King and Merlin keep comparing Lancelot to.

The Demon King spent over a billion years in Purgatory growing stronger; he's an absolute monster that nobody could harm by conventional means.
 

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He is overrated the moment you start describing him as anything more than just slightly stronger than the Demon King, because that is literally the best of what we have seen from him.

Comparing him to Lancelot or Chaos is pure glaze.

I doubt that he could even defeat Hawk.
You Lancelot’s dickrider are insufferable.
Where on my text did I mention Lancelot ? Or even compare them ? Do you always read people’s messages with Lancelot in your head ?
I was mostly just glazing purgatory DK (stronger than any Lancelot we got btw :eyeroll) and the only ones I compared emotion Mel with were the OG cast and I still do. Emo Mel went from fodder to outperforming Ban against the DK just by activating this magic. I was just explaining this feat. Everyone is free to speculate about EOS TM Mel power.

Also saying stuff like slightly stronger than the DK is not helping your argument since
1- we just know he’s stronger than DK. How much is just speculating.

2- Zeldris was talking about the magical power he could sense from THE FORM, not the magic itself. Emo Mel with far little magic power than the DK could erase his very flesh like nothing so what would final form Mel using his latent magic do to the same DK ? Two people having the same amount of magic power do not mean that they are equal In a fight. Like we literally saw 3.3k Meliodas no diffing an 5.5k Albion thanks to full counter(some kind of magic) or 3.1k Ban overwhelmingly (although temporarily) an originally 26k Galand thanks to his magical power(snatch), Gowther affecting people far above his level thanks to his magical ability.

If Mel’s magic is actually erasing thing as some think then he should be able to like no diff the DK or at the very least erase people far above his league magically since once again his emotions effortlessly erased the DK arm despite the difference of level between them.

Like I said TM Mel is just sidelined, surely not overrated. His ceiling can go as high as we want just from (over)analyzing his feat against the DK and him appently sacrificing his TM to erase the commandments is not an anti feat, just a plothole used to get rid of an bigger asspull.

i mean, using your same logic if TM Mel and DK are relative, how would TM Mel’s power and half the power of the DK facing each other would cause both power erasing themselves? 2-1 ≠ 0 afterall. It’s basic maths
 

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You Lancelot’s dickrider are insufferable.
Where on my text did I mention Lancelot ? Or even compare them ? Do you always read people’s messages with Lancelot in your head ?
The discussion was from the start about attempting to compare True Magic Meliodas to Lancelot.
It’s your own problem if you jump into a discussion without even knowing what it’s about.

It’s absurd to enter a discussion concerning Lancelot and then complain about Lancelot being mentioned.


I was mostly just glazing purgatory DK (stronger than any Lancelot we got btw :eyeroll)
The old Purgatory Demon King who weaker than in his prime self? The same prime Demon King who has been mentioned a billion times as being vastly weaker than Lancelot? Do you enjoy showing off your poor reading comprehension to this extent?

It’s quite amusing that you haven’t brought forward a single argument to actually substantiate your claims, and instead, you’ve settled for tossing out baseless headcanons, whining, and labeling any argument you can’t counter as a "plot hole."

I really wonder what the point is of even discussing this with you.
It seems that not only do you not know what the discussion is about, but you don’t even know what’s happening in the story, you’re just here for LARPing.
Just a die-hard fan trying to glaze his favorite character after realizing he’s been surpassed, throwing out basless headcanon about it abilty, all while not even knowing it name and still referring to it as "True Magic".
 

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Regarding Lancelot vs. True Magic Meliodas, there's something we should mention.

Lancelot has the ability to absorb both physical and magical attacks; however, this is an attribute of the Lake, not Hazy Moon.

The Lake can store things inside, similar to how it absorbed the Nemesis attack.

Apparently, being an infinite pool of magic grants that ability for some reason.

My understanding of how this ability works is that Lancelot uses his magic vortex to absorb things and assimilate them into it.

Perhaps this is because magic is the fuel to accomplish anything via abilities and spells , flowing through them all.

Therefore, Lancelot uses this fuel to penetrate anything that comes into his close vicinity and assimilate it.

It isn't an absolute ability; it depends on the power of Lancelot's own magic stream versus the power of the incoming attack.

Some things are absorbed instantly, others are absorbed slowly, and some might not be fully absorbed, resulting in damage to Lancelot.
 

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The discussion was from the start about attempting to compare True Magic Meliodas to Lancelot.
It’s your own problem if you jump into a discussion without even knowing what it’s about.

It’s absurd to enter a discussion concerning Lancelot and then complain about Lancelot being mentioned
I mean I didn’t tag anyone so the shame is on you. This is a public discussion thread so I’m free to say whatever I think on a subject being discussed here. Not my problem if you can’t read without biais, agenda or Diddy-lot’s dick in you head.


The old Purgatory Demon King who weaker than in his prime self? The same prime Demon King who has been mentioned a billion times as being vastly weaker than Lancelot? Do you enjoy showing off your poor reading comprehension to this extent?

It’s quite amusing that you haven’t brought forward a single argument to actually substantiate your claims, and instead, you’ve settled for tossing out baseless headcanons, whining, and labeling any argument you can’t counter as a "plot hole."

I really wonder what the point is of even discussing this with you.
It seems that not only do you not know what the discussion is about, but you don’t even know what’s happening in the story, you’re just here for LARPing.
Just a die-hard fan trying to glaze his favorite character after realizing he’s been surpassed, throwing out basless headcanon about it abilty, all while not even knowing it name and still referring to it as "True Magic".
Whatever makes you happy buddy :hee

It’s so funny watching you getting on the offensive when people are not glazing lance like you do, being MIA when your character is not glazed in the work(I remember that you ghosted for a week when Lance was getting trashed on by Zel), or trying to trash on other characters whenever a new chapter come out to make Lancelot looks almighty, be it here or on Reddit with all your fakes accounts.
It’s just pathetic at this point but keep going buddy.

I’m so excited for the end of this arc.
 

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I mean I didn’t tag anyone so the shame is on you. This is a public discussion thread so I’m free to say whatever I think on a subject being discussed here. Not my problem if you can’t read without biais, agenda or Diddy-lot’s dick in you head
Don't you realize how stupid you look?
Yes, it’s a public discussion, but the topic at hand is specific.
You can’t just barge into a debate about Lancelot versus "True Magic" and then start whining about the mere mention of Lancelot.
This only goes to show your complete inability to even grasp what the people around you are talking about.

Whatever makes you happy buddy :hee

It’s so funny watching you getting on the offensive when people are not glazing lance like you do, being MIA when your character is not glazed in the work(I remember that you ghosted for a week when Lance was getting trashed on by Zel), or trying to trash on other characters whenever a new chapter come out to make Lancelot looks almighty, be it here or on Reddit with all your fakes accounts.
It’s just pathetic at this point but keep going buddy.

I’m so excited for the end of this arc.
Tell me, how did the fight between Zeldris and Lancelot end?

And i had no idea you were so obsessed with me that much, waiting for me every thread to show up to the point where you see me across all the different accounts! (If you suspect something is amiss, feel free to report the accounts you’re concerned about.)

I’m truly sorry, but I’m not interested in men, so I can’t return all this attention you’re giving me, In fact, I don’t even remember anything about you.
 
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