Discussion Yuri is Going to Lose Her Bet With Maschenny

[Cinera]

At the end of Maschenny's conversation with Yuri, there was more or less direct foreshadowing that Yuri would lose:
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Bet (Foreshadowing)
I bolded the parts that I think foreshadow Yuri's loss:

...A Bet... ?

For Thirteen Months with sister Maschenny?

Then if we do the bet, whoever loses will be in great danger...
Why would she want this in spite of knowing that...?

Yuri thinks that the loser of the bet would be placed in "great danger".

I think this is foreshadowing Yuri being placed in grave danger by losing her Green April. At the Last Station, Yuri handed over her Black March to Baam, and if she also loses her Green April to Maschenny, she would no longer be a 13 Months Princess.

The setup foreshadowing Maschenny being placed in great danger for losing her Yellow May seems unlikely. Maschenny's fall has been foreshadowed by Jinsung and the Narrator/Hwaryun at the Last Station.

Jinsung said that she overestimates herself and knows nothing about the Ancient Beasts and even less about Baam:

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The Narrator/Hwaryun implied that she would be one of the arrogant people that would be swept up in the tidal wave of the new era:

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Given that Maschenny's fall seems to be set to come from Baam the war she's scheming, it seems unlikely to me that she would lose her 13 Month and thus be placed in danger even before then.

But why does it have to be Green April?
Why would she choose Green April and not Black March?

And it sounds like she already decided on the details of the bet.. What is this..?

Plus how did she know that I'm on the Hell Train.

This all...
Seems suspicious...

Afterwards, Yuri questions why Maschenny chose the Green April and not the Black March. She notices that Maschenny has already planned everything out ahead and questions how she knew that she was on the Hell Train. She thereafter concludes that the entire setup of the bet is suspicious.

Given that Maschenny said that she "really needed" the Green April and that she's already planned everything out, I'm guessing that Maschenny setup the circumstances for a bet that she was assured to win.

Yuri noticing how suspicious Maschenny's proposal for the bet is reinforces this.

It feels like I'm being carried along in a massive predetermined flow—

Finally, Yuri feels like she's being carried along in a massive predetermined flow.

The sense that I get is that the outcome of the bet has already been preordained. It's a foregone conclusion that Yuri would accept the bet and lose her Green April to Maschenny. That is the "massive predetermined flow" that Yuri finds herself swept up in.

Source

• Season 2 Chapter 222

 

[Demonspeed]

Don't think so. Because Yuri is the Ranker Princess on Baam and his friends's side.

Maybe she'll lose the bet, but she'll get something out of it in the end.

 

[Cinera]

Don't think so. Because Yuri is the Ranker Princess on Baam and his friends's side.

And Maschenny is not the Ranker Princess against Baam. Maschenny is using Baam to spark a war. She wants him to become a massive wave that will shake the Tower.

 

[Demonspeed]

And Maschenny is not the Ranker Princess against Baam. Maschenny is using Baam to spark a war. She wants him to become a massive wave that will shake the Tower.

You think Yuri and Maschenny will join hands? You don't need to support Baam to use him this way.

 

[Cinera]

You think Yuri and Maschenny will join hands? You don't need to support Baam to use him this way.

No, I think Maschenny and Yuri are operating on different arenas. Maschenny is playing at a level so far above Yuri, that Yuri isn't even recognised as an enemy.

This is what Maschenny said to Yuri when they first met. I'm referring to this scene:

This bitch's got quite an attitude talking to an Unni who's like the pinnacle of the Tower...

It seems like Maschenny is saying that Yuri must be out of her mind to talk to her like that when she (Maschenny) is the like pinnacle of the Tower.

However, the Raws, actually paints a slightly different image:

I asked @Pajaka to help me translate it, and here's what they had to say:

You should watch your manners when you're talking to your sister that's like the top of the tower for you.

- "top of the tower" being a Korean metaphor used to express superiority.

Maschenny is saying that she's leagues ahead of Yuri, not that she's literally at the top of the Tower.

So yeah, when they first meet and Yuri snarks back at Maschenny, she tells her to know her place and mind her manners when she's speaking to an older sister that's leagues above her.


Beyond that, Maschenny is involved in events far beyond the scale Yuri operates at:

• She schemed Kallavan vs Jinsung.
• She schemed Baam rallying FUG to come and rescue Jinsung
• She schemed the war of the Nest.
• She's scheming a broader war and plans to incite all the great powers of the Tower into conflict.
• She speaks of the "story".
• She speaks of the "real enemy" of the story.

Maschenny isn't an ally to Yuri, but Yuri isn't an enemy to her either.


As for what affiliation Maschenny takes going forward, I think she'll continue to remain a third party that's opposed to the current stagnation of the Tower.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Even more reason for the underdog to win out. The bet is obviously not in Yuri's favor. Her losing such a bet seems a bit meh. Although, I agree with @Demonspeed that even if she loses (hell, being imprisoned might have forced a loss for all we know) she'll win out in the end, in some way. IF we ever get there.

Mas is OP's best girl?

 

[Shadowlord123]

Mas is OP's best girl?

What made you think that? Just asking out of curiosity because I don't see the reasoning behind what could have made you reach such a conclusion.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

I mean, I'm enjoying his thesis/case study on Mas. She's an interesting character and all, but.... Damn

 

[Shadowlord123]

I mean, I'm enjoying his thesis/case study on Mas. She's an interesting character and all, but.... Damn

Yeah, we're not fucking around here and you've only seen the tip of the iceberg

Only 5 of those threads have been posted here on MH. In reality, he has at least 18 compiled on a Reddit post, which would make it a total of at least 23 essays regarding Maschenny (and none of them is precisely made of two lines if you know what I mean). There's a compilation of all of them and you can check it out here.

In reality though, those aren't all of his essays, only the ones he posted on Reddit. Related to Maschenny I counted over 40 and closer to the 50 mark. So yeah, he kinda likes Maschenny, to say the least haha.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

You've got to be shitting me.

OP, you OK?

 

[kkck]

My theory in regards to the bet is that a princess immediately gets the death penalty if another princess takes any of her 13 month weapons.. Hence yuri's overall reaction to the bet. Whether this means much to yuri really depends on what her relationship with the empire going forward is going to be. Within a couple dozen floors or less bam will be one of the tower's powerhouse. Within 50 floors he will have as much power as any family head, specially if fug acts as his "family". In which case yuri falls under his protection and he can tell the empire to kindly fuck of if it so much as dares to look at yuri funny. Overall the tower's circumstances at the time yuri loses her bet (if she loses her bet) seem more important than whether she loses or not.

 

[Demonspeed]

My theory in regards to the bet is that a princess immediately gets the death penalty if another princess takes any of her 13 month weapons.. Hence yuri's overall reaction to the bet. Whether this means much to yuri really depends on what her relationship with the empire going forward is going to be. Within a couple dozen floors or less bam will be one of the tower's powerhouse. Within 50 floors he will have as much power as any family head, specially if fug acts as his "family". In which case yuri falls under his protection and he can tell the empire to kindly fuck of if it so much as dares to look at yuri funny. Overall the tower's circumstances at the time yuri loses her bet (if she loses her bet) seem more important than whether she loses or not.

Death penalty? I don't think so. Many don't know about the secret of the 13MS in the first place. And even if one Princess loses it to another one, she still has the potential to get it back or take another.

The 13MS are just really important. Yuri got even more recognition because she got two of them, we saw this in the last arc of S2 too. She had all the reasons to be shocked because Maschenny knew she was on the Hell Train.

 

[kkck]

Death penalty? I don't think so. Many don't know about the secret of the 13MS in the first place. And even if one Princess loses it to another one, she still has the potential to get it back or take another.

The 13MS are just really important. Yuri got even more recognition because she got two of them, we saw this in the last arc of S2 too. She had all the reasons to be shocked because Maschenny knew she was on the Hell Train.

The secret of the 13 months (I assume the spirit that possesses princess with dual wielding) has nothing to do with my idea. My idea is more about... policy. Lose a 13 month series and you get the death penalty.

 

[Cinera]

Yeah, we're not fucking around here and you've only seen the tip of the iceberg

Only 5 of those threads have been posted here on MH. In reality, he has at least 18 compiled on a Reddit post, which would make it a total of at least 23 essays regarding Maschenny (and none of them is precisely made of two lines if you know what I mean). There's a compilation of all of them and you can check it out here.

In reality though, those aren't all of his essays, only the ones he posted on Reddit. Related to Maschenny I counted over 40 and closer to the 50 mark. So yeah, he kinda likes Maschenny, to say the least haha.

Oh, do share them. I'll slowly start exporting them during my weekends.

My theory in regards to the bet is that a princess immediately gets the death penalty if another princess takes any of her 13 month weapons.. Hence yuri's overall reaction to the bet. Whether this means much to yuri really depends on what her relationship with the empire going forward is going to be. Within a couple dozen floors or less bam will be one of the tower's powerhouse. Within 50 floors he will have as much power as any family head, specially if fug acts as his "family". In which case yuri falls under his protection and he can tell the empire to kindly fuck of if it so much as dares to look at yuri funny. Overall the tower's circumstances at the time yuri loses her bet (if she loses her bet) seem more important than whether she loses or not.

The Empire already has to deal with the Ha Family if they look at Yuri funny.

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 18, 2021, Original Post Date: Aug 18, 2021 ---

Yeah, we're not fucking around here and you've only seen the tip of the iceberg

Only 5 of those threads have been posted here on MH. In reality, he has at least 18 compiled on a Reddit post, which would make it a total of at least 23 essays regarding Maschenny (and none of them is precisely made of two lines if you know what I mean). There's a compilation of all of them and you can check it out here.

In reality though, those aren't all of his essays, only the ones he posted on Reddit. Related to Maschenny I counted over 40 and closer to the 50 mark. So yeah, he kinda likes Maschenny, to say the least haha.

Oh, do share them. I'll slowly start exporting them during my weekends.

My theory in regards to the bet is that a princess immediately gets the death penalty if another princess takes any of her 13 month weapons.. Hence yuri's overall reaction to the bet. Whether this means much to yuri really depends on what her relationship with the empire going forward is going to be. Within a couple dozen floors or less bam will be one of the tower's powerhouse. Within 50 floors he will have as much power as any family head, specially if fug acts as his "family". In which case yuri falls under his protection and he can tell the empire to kindly fuck of if it so much as dares to look at yuri funny. Overall the tower's circumstances at the time yuri loses her bet (if she loses her bet) seem more important than whether she loses or not.

The Empire already has to deal with the Ha Family if they look at Yuri funny.

 

[Shadowlord123]

Oh, do share them. I'll slowly start exporting them during my weekends.

How do you want me to do it? You know, there are a fuckton of essays to share that aren't here

All of them can be found on FanVerse though. At least, all the ones that I counted related to Maschenny somewhat.

 

[Cinera]

How do you want me to do it? You know, there are a fuckton of essays to share that aren't here

All of them can be found on FanVerse though.

Just send me a link to the ones you had in mind. Discord is probably best, since I check it several times each day.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Just saw the number of new discussion threads

 

[kkck]

The Empire already has to deal with the Ha Family if they look at Yuri funny.

True, but the stakes are different. The Ha family is an actual part of the empire. And odds are that through the empire's long history every great family has had a number of high ranker princesses that have died. And while clearly she has some protection the fact remains that yuri has pretty much openly betrayed the empire, lost the black march and zahard has a vested interest in the princesses dying at some point one way or another. We do lack a fair bit of context but from what we know as of now is that yuri is a big deal within her family because she is a young high ranker princess who accepted the black march who then went on to recover the green april But... none of that means anything if the Ha family is suddenly in open war with the empire. Yuri has the protection of her family but if the empire really wants her dead then yuri's fate is sealed. Bam emerging as one of the tower's superpowers affords yuri more unconditional protection.

 

[Cinera]

And odds are that through the empire's long history every great family has had a number of high ranker princesses that have died.

This is you greatly overestimating the frequency of High Ranker Princesses.

• Maschenny is the only 13 Month Princess of the Khun Family.
• Yuri is the most talented member of the Ha Family and takes after Yurin very strongly.
• Enne is the only Eurasia Princess.
• Horn and Hagipherione are the only Arie Princesses.

Etc.

Most Princesses are not from the 10 Families. Princesses from the 10 Families are very rare even among Princesses.

In SIU's initial plans, there were 28 Zahard Princesses but only 3 from the 10 Families.

Yuri has the protection of her family but if the empire really wants her dead then yuri's fate is sealed.

Not really. The Empire can't kill Yuri lest they go to war with the Ha Family, and the Empire may not be willing to risk that right now.

 

[kkck]

This is you greatly overestimating the frequency of High Ranker Princesses.

• Maschenny is the only 13 Month Princess of the Khun Family.
• Yuri is the most talented member of the Ha Family and takes after Yurin very strongly.
• Enne is the only Eurasia Princess.
• Horn and Hagipherione are the only Arie Princesses.

Etc.

Most Princesses are not from the 10 Families. Princesses from the 10 Families are very rare even among Princesses.

In SIU's initial plans, there were 28 Zahard Princesses but only 3 from the 10 Families.



Not really. The Empire can't kill Yuri lest they go to war with the Ha Family, and the Empire may not be willing to risk that right now.

Ok, a few points:

- The empire as of now is almost incomprehensibly old. It could be twenty thousands years old or a million years old... And from what we know the first generation of princesses is probably already dead....
- We don't know that mascheny is the only khun princess. Maria might or not be one. Also look at garam who shares a lot of facial features with the khun family... And she had a twin. They could be from another family with khun ancestry as well though.
- Enne is the only eurasia princess we know of. While the lore tells us the family currently opposes princess selection there is nothing to indicate more princesses weren't selected from the family before the enne events.
-There is also rose zahard from the arie family if we go by the lore. With horn and hagipherione those are all the arie princesses that we know of.
- IIRC it was either implied or said that most princesses are from the 10 families and it is non noble princesses who are outliers.
- Clearly the plans have changed regarding the princesses as there are well more than 3 noble family princesses.