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Where Does Maschenny Zahard Rank?


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Introduction

Maschenny's status in the Tower of God world is incredibly rarefied. Of the Regular High Rankers we've been introduced to so far, she occupies perhaps the highest status of them all.

The only Regulars that occupy a higher status than even her (Luslec, Adori, Enne, etc.) are yet to actually show up in the story. I think it's very likely that outside those godlike Regulars, Maschenny Zahard is the next best thing.

Comparisons to the CC tier existences (Lyborick, Yasratcha, Kallavan, Ha Jinsung, Khel Hellam, Evankhell, Yama, White, etc.) are an unimaginable insult. Maschenny's stature is far beyond their ilk.

I'll compile below some examples of Maschenny's superlative standing in the Tower of God world. For convenience sake, I'll restrict myself only to material directly in the Webtoon. Blogpost and extra canon material will not be considered. I'll try to proceed in chronological order.



"Like the Pinnacle of the Tower"
Maschenny's very debut establishes her superiority in the Tower. She banters with Yuri, and then Yuri retorts in kind. Maschenny replies by stating that Yuri must be out of her mind to speak so disrespectfully to an older sister that was "like the pinnacle of the Tower":


An alternative translation courtesy of Pajaka:
Maschenny said:
You should watch your manners when you're talking to your sister that's like the top of the tower for you.
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The language Maschenny used here to describe the gap between her and Yuri is very similar to the language Jinsung used to describe the gap between himself (and Baam) and Traumerei:

Alternatively, Jinsung was speaking not about Traumerei, but Maschenny herself. However, that seems unlikely for now.

Regardless, in both cases, the metaphor being used was someone that was "too high".

Maschenny was too high for Yuri. Traumerei was too high for Baam and Jinsung. This is not the only time that the same language used to describe how the Great Warriors relate to High Rankers is also used to describe how Maschenny relates to High Rankers.


Alternatively, consider that Yuri did not challenge Maschenny's claim that she was far above Yuri, but Yuri stated to Kallavan that she was on his level:


Regardless of whether you think Yuri's claim here is just bluster or not, the fact is that no other High Ranker has been portrayed as being "too high above" Yuri.



The Name Hunt Station
During the Name Hunt Station, Shibisu speculated that Shilial and Lilial were actually working at the behest of some of their older sisters. Their claims about it being for their Family were just excuses and in reality, they needed a tribute to bring back to their older sisters:

Shilial then confirms that his reasoning was indeed correct, but the Princesses they sided with was not any of those two. They've decided to go with someone completely different:

It's then revealed that they are collaborating with a High Ranker (back when we had yet to see any High Rankers fight, so they were an incredibly big deal):

Shibisu then reveals this information to AA (who also promptly freaks out):

Then Shibisu gets his big epiphany. He had thought the Lo Po Bia Princesses would side with one of the two Regular Princesses waging a factional war against each other, but they were "in cahoots with a completely unexpected big shot:


The sense you get is that even among the Ranker Princesses, Maschenny Zahard is an incredibly big deal. SIU sets up Maschenny's involvement as the "hidden power" that orchestrated the entire Name Hunt Station before she then makes her appearance in the current timeline.



Maschenny's Bet With Yuri
Yuri receives a message from Maschenny telling her to contact her. She and Evan freak out and react with very visible shock and surprise that Maschenny called her ("Princess Maschenny?!"):

Yuri gives her the call and Maschenny offers her a bet:
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Maschenny then proceeds to strong arm Yuri into accepting the terms of her bet:
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After Maschenny ends the call, Yuri and Evan are left incredibly flustered and still can't believe that Maschenny Zahard just called them:

This once again reinforces that despite owning two months, Maschenny Zahard is someone that occupies a status that is far, exceedingly too high for Yuri.

(Honestly, it's amazing that many people in the fandom believe that Maschenny is supposed to be comparable to or stronger than Yuri).

Too understand how impressive this is, consider how nonplussed Yuri was when interacting with Kallavan, Garam and other High Rankers of stature. Maschenny is the only person that has made her freak out so much, let alone to do it with just a call.


After the call ends, Yuri ruminates on Maschenny's motivations behind the whole affair:
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And then comes Yuri's big epiphany. She feels as if she's "being carried along in a massive predetermined flow":

I don't know about you, but the language used here (especially "predetermined") is very strongly suggestive to me of Fate and predestination. As if Yuri is nothing but a leaf that is swept along in the massive current that is Maschenny's will.

I guess this is how Khel Hellam felt when he fell into Zahard's pace.


Again, we don't have any other example of a Regular High Ranker making any other High Ranker (let alone Yuri) feel like this. The only other occasions we've seen where High Rankers felt as if they were inevitably coerced by (something akin to) Fate or predestination involved the Great Warriors:
  • Garam told Evan that perhaps his group of them making it to the Floor of Death was all Gustang's will. She advised him not to think about it too much as it would only make him feel powerless.
  • Khel Hellam felt powerless in the face of Zahard as Zahard controls the fate that he sees.
  • Yasratcha told Yama that he and Wang were nothing but "puny entities" swayed by their instincts and fates.



One of the Most Powerful Princesses
While it was already made abundantly clear from her interactions with Yuri (and from Shibisu and AA's reaction to her involvement in the Namae Hunt Station) that Maschenny is one of the most powerful Princesses, SIU outright states it in unambigous terms through Asensio when her data version makes its debut:

Maschenny is "one of the most powerful Princesses on the outside who was given one of the 13 Month series". I think the most accurate interpretation of this is that she's one of the most powerful 13 Month Princesses.

That said, here are some alternate translations of the panel:
Pajaka said:
She is one among the most powerful Princesses who have received one of the 13 Months Series in the outside world!!
Thaus said:
From the outside, one of the strongest princesses who recieved a 13 month!
The sense I get from the translations is that Maschenny is one of the strongest 13 Month Princesses. I feel like the claim that the statement is "Maschenny is one of the strongest Princesses and she received a 13 Months weapon" is just copium because people have headcanons of other 13 Month Princesses (Garam, Hagipherione, etc.) being stronger than Maschenny.

Considering Asensio's statement and that there are only eight 13 Month Princesses, it's especially doubtful that someone like Hagipherione is a tier (or more) above Maschenny. At worst they would be peers. You wouldn't call #4 (of 8) "one of the most powerful"/"one of the strongest" if #3 was much stronger than them (4/8 is the median and basically average).

IMO, it's more likely that Maschenny is the #3 Princess. Or at worst, she's a peer to Hagipherione.

Whichever the case may be, as far as Zahard Princesses go, Maschenny is indubitably Top Tier.



Maschenny's Comparison to Asensio
Maschenny's superlative status can also be demonstrated from her comparisons to Khun Marco Asensio when they were Regulars on the Hidden Floor. To establish a baseline for how impressive this is, I'd like to establish a baseline for how strong Asensio is.


How Powerful is Asensio Now?
Asensio is one of only three children that were favoured by Eduan:

This is despite "tons" of Khun children passing through the Hidden Floor in its several tens of thousands of years history. It should be noted that the attribute those children that Eduan acknowledged shared in common was "strength". Asensio was pretty clear about this: "they're all strong just like me".


While not all Khun children passed through the Hidden Floor, Asensio's potential should still be of the highest class among the children of Khun. In fact, excluding Asesnsio, the other Khun children that Eduan acknowledged were "special Regulars":

Season 3 Chapter 10 Blog Post
SIU said:
Since now that Bam can’t fight normal regulars anymore, we’ll see more “special” regulars like Akryung, Princesses, or Sorcerers.
We had:
  • Icardi: a Sorcerer
    • Icardi's ability was one that was noticed by Zahard.
  • Maschenny: a Princess
    • Maschenny became one of the most powerful 13 Month Princesses.
    • Maschenny is the only Princess from the Khun Family to ever be awarded a 13 Months weapon.

Asensio was the only "ordinary" Regular to have been acknowledged by Eduan.


Furthermore, Asensio is someone famous enough that upon hearing his name, AA recognised him as "the Spear Master":

We've seen several other powerful Khun High Rankers (AA's patron, Royale Elliot, Lyborick, etc.) but to this day, the only other Khun that has been called a "Spear Master" is Maschenny Zahard herself:


Finally, Kiseia told us that Asensio formed his own faction within the Khun Family:


Based on all of the above, I think that it is very likely that Asensio is in the highest calibre of Khun children. I would be very surprised if there were up to 10 children of Khun that were stronger than him. That does not at all fit with his portrayal so far.

I think it's most likely the case that Asensio is one of the 10 strongest sons of Khun. Whether he is or not, what is clear is that he's an elite High Ranker.


How Did Data Asensio Compare to Maschenny?
Maschenny was vastly stronger than Asensio. This is made clear both in how Jeok (the Big Breeder) spoke of Asensio compared to Maschenny and how Asensio spoke of himself compared to Maschenny.

Jeok said that Asensio was a small fry compared to Maschenny:

"They've replaced her with a small fry?".

This is another example where Maschenny is portrayed to be as far above elite High Rankers as the Great Warriors are.

Evankhell called herself and the rest of the FUG's forces at the Nest "small fry" compared to Traumerei:


After she effortlessly oneshot Jeok, Asensio called himself "a cockroach" that could never keep up with Maschenny's skills:

This too is another example where Maschenny is portrayed to be as far above elite High Rankers as the Great Warriors are.

Gustang called White on the Floor of Death "a bug":

Traumerei called the rest of FUG at the Nest "trifles":

Yasratcha said that he and Wang were nothing but "trifles":


Maschenny is obviously not a peer to any of the Great Warriors, but it is nonetheless true that she was portrayed to be exceedingly beyond the likes of the elite High Rankers using the same language as is used for the Great Warriors.

If I were to hazard a guess as to why, it might be something like: "to an ant, a lake and the sea are both impossibly far to traverse".


How Big is the Gap Between Maschenny and Asensio Now?
It should be pointed out that Maschenny is significantly older than Asensio (he addresses her as "nunim" ["respected older sister"]) and she addresses him as "little brother":


So she would have had more time to realise her potential than him.

Furthermore, Maschenny was a prodigy that was able to complete the Hell Train while she was very young:

As such, she's probably growing even faster than Asensio.


It is most likely the case that the gap that existed between the two of them as Regulars on the Hidden Floor has grown considerably larger now.



Zahard
During their battle against each other, Zahard acknowledged Maschenny's strength and praised her for pushing him so far. To show his respect for her ability, he decided to compliment her by using Lecalicus:

So Maschenny's strength is one that even Zahard acknowledges.

This sentiment was further confirmed in Eduan's monologue on Lecalicus. He informs us that Lecalicus is something that Zahard ONLY uses against those he recognises as "true opponents":
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So the argument that Zahard considered Maschenny a true opponent could be made.

Regardless, acknowledgement by Zahard places Maschenny in very rarefied company. The only others whose strength has been acknowledged by the Great Warriors are the Top 20 Regulars:
  • Molic One was said to be someone that not even Zahard could take lightly.
  • Enne was said to have been acknowledged by the 10 Family Leaders.
  • It was said that if Luslec got involved in the Nest, then Traumerei would also move in response.

This further reiterates the notion that Maschenny sits at the greatest heights obtainable for Regulars.



Dokoko
When listing the major threats from the Empire at the Nest, Dokoko appeared to hold Maschenny in much higher regard than the Corps Commanders:

The interesting part is: "not to mention Princess Maschenny Jahad!!".

Adios translated it a bit differently as:
Adios said:
There are two other branch head level people here in the Nest, along with the Former Commander of the 4th Army Corps Kallavan, the Current Commander of the 4th Army Corps, and Princess Maschenny Zahard herself!
In both translations, Dokoko exclaims Maschenny's presence in the battlefield and seems to consider it to be a momentous affair that Maschenny Zahard herself is present. The sense I get reading this is that Maschenny's status is considerably beyond that of the Corps Commanders.



Season 3 Episode 85
Maschenny's rarefied status in the Tower of God world was reinforced very heavily during her conversation with Jinsung in Season 3 Episode 85.

Jinsung starts out by asking her what she's up to, mentioning that she made Baam join forces with FUG in order to attack the Nest and speculated as to what the reason might be for that. He then goes on to say that he doesn't understand why Zahard would proceed with such a complicated arrangement. The Army could just kill Baam, they've always been good at that.

Jinsung then lists the factions whose disagreements resulted in the complicated mess that is the Nest:

An alternative translation courtesy of Pajaka:
Pajaka said:
Army of Zahard. The Ten Great Families.
And you,

If all of you shared the same goal and thoughts,
Things wouldn't have become this complicated, don't you think?
Regardless of how exactly it's translated, the three factions responsible for the Nest are:
  1. The Army of Zahard
  2. The 10 Great Families
  3. Maschenny Zahard

It's very telling that Maschenny Zahard is someone influential enough that she merits inclusion alongside the Great Families and Zahard's Army. Perhaps Maschenny doesn't wield exactly enough influence to compare to a Great Family, but she's still influential enough that she registers on the scale. That she is someone whose interests and opinions matter at a table of discussion between the Zahard Army and the Great Families.

That's incredibly impressive. How many other High Rankers are influential enough that they register on such a scale? The only names that come to mind as being so influential are all in the Top 20 (Adori Zahard, Baek Ryun, etc.). Until that chapter dropped, I wouldn't have imagined that High Rankers outside the Top 20 could wield such influence within the Empire.


Later on in her conversation with Jinsung, Maschenny once again placed herself at a extremely rarefied height. She said that the Family Leaders were people that not even she could stop:

Not only does Maschenny seem to consider herself to be well above Jinsung here (not "people that we cannot stop", not "people that you cannot stop", but people that "not even I" could stop), but she also seems to consider herself to be at the very highest strata. To describe the literal "Gods" of the Tower as people that "not even I could stop if I wanted to", the implication is that there are very, exceedingly few people above her.

If there were an appreciable number of High Rankers above her, then the description wouldn't make sense. It goes without saying that all Regulars are incapable of stopping the Gods. For Maschenny to describe the Gods as people that net even she could stop, she must see herself as someone at the very, very highest level.

Like the Pinnacle of the Tower if you might.



Season 3 Episode 99
The last — at least as at the time I began writing this piece — notable instance where Maschenny's superlative status in the Tower was highlighted was her meeting with Baam and his allies during Season 3 Episode 99.

Maschenny introduces herself as a Princess of Zahard and the person in charge of the Nest Operation:

This is yet another direct and very unambigous placement of Maschenny above the Corps Commanders; she is their superior officer.


Afterwards, Baam questions what Maschenny's purpose is, and she reveals that like everyone else that's causing him trouble, she's merely trying to obtain the trump card called "the Irregular":

Rak then proceeds to ask her to state which side she's on, and her reply is well, very telling.

She tells Baam and Co that they are not strong enough or great enough to take someone's side:

And that they are only fit to become pawns, so why not become her pawns:

This is directed at the group that just defeated Prime White. Many people think that Maschenny doesn't know that Baam defeated Prime White, but I consider that very unlikely. Yasratcha and Lyborick were shown to be watching their targets' (Yama and Kallavan respectively) maps, so it stands to reason that Maschenny will also have been watching Baam's map.

Furthermore, Maschenny is shown to be aware when Baam completed his game:

While McCage was not. In fact, McCage couldn't see anything on Baam's field. So Maschenny had other means of observing Baam's field that weren't dependent on McCage's Lighthouses (in fact, she is in all likelihood the very person that sabotaged McCage's Lighthouses).


Separately from all that, Asensio wasn't surprised to see White on Baam's field (just at his change in appearance and diminished strength):

So it's very likely that he learned of White being on Baam's field/gighting him from Maschenny.

And even if you assume that Maschenny somehow had no knowledge about White vs Baam (a pretty implausible assumption IMO) she would have learned of the presumptive outcome from Asensio.


This is all a very long winded way of saying that it is in all likelihood the case that Maschenny talked down to Baam despite knowing that he had defeated Prime White. Even after defeating Prime White, Baam was not strong enough or great enough to side with her. He was only fit to become her pawn.

Considering that she also made Jinsung into a pawn, I don't think it's an inconsistent reading.

Maschenny's stature is simply at a level where she treats the likes of the Corps Commander tier fighters as pawns.



Later on in the chapter, AA shouts at Maschenny after she proposes her deal to Baam. In response, Maschenny orders him to be quiet:

She reminds him not to forget that she can erase him from the Khun Family anytime she wants, leaving no trace behind:


AA is left speechless and unable to respond:
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(Perhaps indicating that he recognises the legitimacy of her threat?)


This is very interesting, because AA has a patron that is very influential and powerful in the Khun Family.

Asensio called said patron "a dangerous person":

And AA described his patron as one of the Leaders of the Khun Family. He was not worried about Prime White because of said patron:

(As an aside, AA being nonplussed at White directly threatening him to his face but being left completely speechless as Maschenny's threat over a pocket is once again indicative of the massive chasm in stature between Maschenny and Prime White).


One of the Khun Family's Leaders, someone that AA trusts to defeat Prime White and who Asensio regards as "very dangerous" does not even register as an inconvenience to Maschenny. The likes of AA is someone that she can dispose of anytime she pleases and his backer wouldn't be able to helo him.

This once again reinforces that Maschenny's stature is far, far beyond the likes of Asensio, Prime White and AA's patron.


Finally — and perhaps most tellingly — is Jinsung's epiphany in regards to Maschenny near the end of the chapter. Jinsung realises that he had severely underestimated her, and she was far, exceedingly much bigger than he had ever imagined:



Conclusions
I think there has been a consistent trend in depictions of Maschenny's stature as being extremely rarefied, to a level incomparable to the Corps Commander tier characters.

She is one who sits at the highest level obtainable for Regulars. A Princess that is like the Pinnacle of the Tower. This was made clear during her debut and has been consistently reinforced throughout her appearances in the first half of Season 2 (up until the Hidden Floor) and something that SIU really went hard on in Season 3.

When I consider that someone like Evankhell was able to reach Rank 60 merely by acquiring the position of a Floor Ruler while not being from any of the Great Families, I can only imagine that Maschenny Zahard's Ranking must be far higher. Her stature is absolutely incomparable to the likes of Evankhell (who was ultimately still relative to the likes of Kallavan and other Corps Commanders).

Whatever influence you imagine Evankhell to have had as a Floor Ruler, Maschenny absolutely dwarfs it. She is at a level where she doesn't even register people that should be relative to Evankhell as even inconveniences. For Maschenny Zahard, the likes of the Corps Commanders are nothing but pawns.

And as one of the most powerful 13 Month Princesses, her power should be commensurate with that influence.

If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say that Maschenny is most likely a High Ranker in the #21 - #40 bracket. I would be surprised if someone with her stature was any lower than #40, and the Top 20 are reserved for the Irregulars and heretical Regulars.
 
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I changed my earlier view that Maschenny is around top 80-90 level.


Seems she is much stronger than that level.Though i will still put Hagi above her,after all Hagi is the only one to pass Arie Hon's test apart from Urek and also probably the strongest princess from the strongest family (unless ofcourse Adori is revealed to be a Arie in future).

So Maschenny's rank should be around 40-60.
 

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Comparisons to the CC tier existences (Lyborick, Yasratcha, Kallavan, Ha Jinsung, Khel Hellam, Evankhell, Yama, White, etc.) are an unimaginable insult.
I agree with almost everything u said although i think jinsung himself is above cc tier (not saying he is on the same lvl as maschenny ) .

Maschenny once called jinsung an ancient beast (Sorry, idk how to add pics but u can check it in a chapter when maschenny first confront jinsung ) , jinsung call himself a very very special person in the ha family and later even maschenny says that jinsung is an important person to Ha family , he once anhilated the entire branch of ha family (i would like to assume he anhilated the branch leader too ) and since ha families is one of top 3 families i think it's fair to assume that the branch leader jinsung killed was far above dokoko(lo po bia branch leader) who is probably cc tier himself since doom(a top200 high ranker) and pual probably comparable to doom wasn't able to stop him even when working together and they had to use lefav bullets to stop him and in the latest chapter he is shown to be confronting two people said to be on the same lvl as evankhell who's power is comparable to top60




The reason he lost to kallavan was as siu said kallavan was just a bad match up for jinsung and still the battle would have gone in any direction if maschenny hasn't interfered and jinsung hasn't shown to use any of his lethal techniques probably because kallavan was once his student so jinsung was holding back a bit too.



I personally think that as a fighter evankhell and jinsung are comparable to maschenny ( since u say yourself that maschenny probably got her rank that high because of her extreme influence) bieng a princess boost your rank significantly
Maschenny probably can win against them individually but it's not like she is totally out of league for them
 
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One sided analysis which only takes on Mas's pros and ignore/over-interpret the cons on top of using a lot of headcanon to make her look better.

As per usual.
 

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My guess is that mascheny is above 50... I mentioned it elsewhere but my crackpot theory is that rank 50 is where you see another big power jump in high rankers. We have seen that across high rankers within the top 300 fighters can be pretty competitive with one another even regardless of their rank. Evankhel even dropped over 40 positions over losing her status as floor ruler and it seems like the LPB family has at least 5 warriors that are comparable to her, or even stronger....

As far as mascheny being a big deal... sure? That's hard to argue against.
 

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One sided analysis which only takes on Mas's pros and ignore/over-interpret the cons on top of using a lot of headcanon to make her look better.

As per usual.




I'm in at 61-80.
It is impossible for Maschenny to be Ranked lower than Evankhell. Her stature in the Tower dwarfs her.


I feel like the title of this thread is missing "to me" at the end.
No, she is objectively an incredibly big deal in the Tower.

She is one that is like the Pinnacle of the Tower:


She is one of the strongest 13 Month Princesses:

She is the commander of the Nest:

And someone that Jinsung had to admit was far bigger than he had ever imagined:



Her stature is at the most rarefied heights there is for Regulars.



Hagi is the only one to pass Arie Hon's test apart from Urek
No, this was never said. It was merely said that she was the last person to pass Hon's test before Urek.


.Though i will still put Hagi above her,after all Hagi is the only one to pass Arie Hon's test apart from Urek and also probably the strongest princess from the strongest family (unless ofcourse Adori is revealed to be a Arie in future).
Maschenny is explicitly one of the strongest 13 Month Princesses:
 

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It is impossible for Maschenny to be Ranked lower than Evankhell. Her stature in the Tower dwarfs her.



No, she is objectively an incredibly big deal in the Tower.

She is one that is like the Pinnacle of the Tower:


She is one of the strongest 13 Month Princesses:

She is the commander of the Nest:

And someone that Jinsung had to admit was far bigger than he had ever imagined:



Her stature is at the most rarefied heights there is for Regulars.




No, this was never said. It was merely said that she was the last person to pass Hon's test before Urek.



Maschenny is explicitly one of the strongest 13 Month Princesses:
Nope wiki clearly mentions Hagi is the only one apart from Urek to have passed the test.Unless the wiki is wrong on this then my point stands.


"She is one of only two people to have passed Arie Hon's special test on the 100th Floor. Her reward was said to be 'very personal and childish'."

-From the Wiki


Also I never said Maschenny is not strong but I am not going to put her above Hagi.


Especially in fiction later characters who gets more involved in the plot tends to be stronger than previous ones.Maschenny has become involved in the plot now,but later big characters will be stronger than her.Hagi will come later so she should be stronger than her.If Maschenny proves herself stronger than her then i will accept it.
 

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Nope wiki clearly mentions Hagi is the only one apart from Urek to have passed the test.Unless the wiki is wrong on this then my point stands.


"She is one of only two people to have passed Arie Hon's special test on the 100th Floor. Her reward was said to be 'very personal and childish'."

-From the Wiki
The wiki is wrong on it. The wiki is wrong on a lot of stuff. It's not a primary source of information.



Especially in fiction later characters who gets more involved in the plot tends to be stronger than previous ones.Maschenny has become involved in the plot now,but later big characters will be stronger than her.Hagi will come later so she should be stronger than her.
This is dumb.

Gustang is one of the earliest revealed characters.

Zahard debuted before all the Family Leaders bar Gustang, and he's literally the last Boss.

Maschenny is the second Ranker Princess to be revealed. You're literally saying that every Ranker Princess will be stronger than Maschenny.

Maschenny debuted so early because she's one of the most important Princesses to the overall Tower of God story.



If Maschenny proves herself stronger than her then i will accept it
Hagi isn't even canon yet.
 

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Hagipherione passing hon's test is for the time being at least part of the lore that has been around for quite some time. She and her feats are canon until SIU retcons them. Lore wise it seems like a solid bet that hagipherione (an arie princess that passed hon's tests and has rank 36) is a league or two above mascheny. Lightning spear? Arie swordsmanship is the strongest combat technique in the tower. It stands to reason that what is basically ommidirectional space bending would be better than mascheny style lightning spear by a fair margin. At least in close range combat, it makes sense that a spear's range would be better for instance. So far the best countermeasure for arie swordsmanship has been to simply eat attacks and nuke the enemy (which ran and kallavan could pull off) but if the arie in question noble family princess levels of durability... Overall, what little we know about hagipherione from the lore put together with how arie-princess stuff has turned out in the series reads like an incomprehensible amount of BS for a single character.
 

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The wiki is wrong on it. The wiki is wrong on a lot of stuff. It's not a primary source of information.




This is dumb.

Gustang is one of the earliest revealed characters.

Zahard debuted before all the Family Leaders bar Gustang, and he's literally the last Boss.

Maschenny is the second Ranker Princess to be revealed. You're literally saying that every Ranker Princess will be stronger than Maschenny.

Maschenny debuted so early because she's one of the most important Princesses to the overall Tower of God story.




Hagi isn't even canon yet.
I didn't say everyone of them will be stronger than Maschenny.Those who will be deeply involved in the plot.Like the 13 M series holders,who are they? Enne,Adori,Hagi comes to my mind.


But like I said I am not prepared to accept Maschenny to be stronger than Hagi.

Hagi is the strongest known princess from the strongest family so I am putting her above Maschenny for now at least.
 

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I didn't say everyone of them will be stronger than Maschenny.Those who will be deeply involved in the plot.Like the 13 M series holders,who are they? Enne,Adori,Hagi comes to my mind.
Yet Maschenny has been said to be one of the strongest 13 Month Princesses:


That outweighs any notion about her being introduced early.


Hagi is the strongest known princess from the strongest family so I am putting her above Maschenny for now at least.
No she isn't:
  • Adori is stronger than her.
  • Enne is also stronger than her.
  • It's not even clear that she's stronger than Arie Hon Zahard (the First Princess).
  • She's not even canon.



Dokoko(lo po bia branch leader) who is probably cc tier himself since doom(a top200 high ranker) and pual probably comparable to doom wasn't able to stop him even when working together and they had to use lefav bullets to stop him
Dokoko isn't CC tier.

A much weaker Yasratcha (before he got his cat, received Wang's Fang, acquired his Anima abilities or unlocked Full Transformation) was already stronger than most Branch Leaders.


and in the latest chapter he is shown to be confronting two people said to be on the same lvl as evankhell who's power is comparable to top60
Evankhell's Rank is below the Top 100. She was only Top 60 because of her influence as a Floor Ruler.

I personally think that as a fighter evankhell and jinsung are comparable to maschenny ( since u say yourself that maschenny probably got her rank that high because of her extreme influence) bieng a princess boost your rank significantly
Maschenny probably can win against them individually but it's not like she is totally out of league for them
I agree that Maschenny's Rank is boosted by her influence. I don't agree that Jinsung or Evankhell are comparable to her combat wise.
 

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Yet Maschenny has been said to be one of the strongest 13 Month Princesses:


That outweighs any notion about her being introduced early.



No she isn't:
  • Adori is stronger than her.
  • Enne is also stronger than her.
  • It's not even clear that she's stronger than Arie Hon Zahard (the First Princess).
  • She's not even canon.




Dokoko isn't CC tier.

A much weaker Yasratcha (before he got his cat, received Wang's Fang, acquired his Anima abilities or unlocked Full Transformation) was already stronger than most Branch Leaders.



Evankhell's Rank is below the Top 100. She was only Top 60 because of her influence as a Floor Ruler.


I agree that Maschenny's Rank is boosted by her influence. I don't agree that Jinsung or Evankhell are comparable to her combat wise.
"One of the strongest" doesn't mean the strongest.Yes she is one of the strongest princesses,a High ranker and a holder of the 13 Months series.Maschenny is one of the top tiers no doubt.But that doesn't mean she is above everyone else,and no where else did I say Hagi is stronger than Enne or Adori.I said all of the three are the 13 Months Holder who will be important in the plot.(Or for the matter every 13 Months Holder will be important because it is part of the key for the 135th Floor).
 

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"One of the strongest" doesn't mean the strongest.Yes she is one of the strongest princesses,a High ranker and a holder of the 13 Months series.Maschenny is one of the top tiers no doubt.But that doesn't mean she is above everyone else,and no where else did I say Hagi is stronger than Enne or Adori.I said all of the three are the 13 Months Holder who will be important in the plot.
There are only 8 13 Month Princesses. If 3 of them were stronger than Maschenny, she wouldn't be "one of the strongest".

Enne and Adori are stronger than Maschenny. I'm doubtful that Hagipherione is.
 

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There are only 8 13 Month Princesses. If 3 of them were stronger than Maschenny, she wouldn't be "one of the strongest".

Enne and Adori are stronger than Maschenny. I'm doubtful that Hagipherione is.
She will be the fourth strongest, stronger than half of the 13 Months Holder Princesses.Yeah very perfectly she can be called one of the strongest.

Honestly neither of us can't really prove who is the stronger between Hagi or Maschenny,as one has not been introduced in the plot and the other has not gone all out and we don't even know her rank.So when we got all the information maybe we will be able to conclude then 😁.
 

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She will be the fourth strongest, stronger than half of the 13 Months Holder Princesses.Yeah very perfectly she can be called one of the strongest.
No, she will be average. 4/8 is average, it's not "one of the most powerful".
 

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If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say that Maschenny is most likely a High Ranker in the #21 - #40 bracket. I would be surprised if someone with her stature was any lower than #40, and the Top 20 are reserved for the Irregulars and heretical Regulars.
I'm confused, are you saying that Mas is "Regent" level (Ha twin, Ligthpen, LPB regent, Ilarde) are you saying that she plays in the same field as them?
 

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I'm confused, are you saying that Mas is "Regent" level (Ha twin, Ligthpen, LPB regent, Ilarde) are you saying that she plays in the same field as them?
I don't think Ilarde is the Regent of the Yeon Family but above them (Ilarde is the God Mother of the Yeon Family, and I expect each Family to have two Regents. I could simply be wrong on this though).

Likewise, Ligthpen isn't even confirmed to be a Po Bidau. Being the Vice President of the Research Association does not make him a Regent of the Po Bidau Family.

As for Maschenny, I think she could be playing in a higher league.

It appears to me that Maschenny may well be above the Regents of the Khun Family. Or at the very least, if she's not she'll be the #3 Khun. But even such a low placement is one that I'm a bit wary of.
 
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Wait, so if mascheny is the third strongest princess then she is one of the strongest but if she is the fourth strongest princess then she isn't one of the strongest? That's just wild, silly nonsense lol.
 

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I don't think Ilarde is the Regent of the Yeon Family but above them (Ilarde is the God Mother of the Yeon Family, and I expect each Family to have two Regents. I could simply be wrong on this though).

Likewise, Ligthpen isn't even confirmed to be a Po Bidau. Being the Vice President of the Research Association does not make him a Regent of the Po Bidau Family.

As for Maschenny, I think she could be playing in a higher league.
For me a regent is the number 2 of the family behind the FH and who is only accountable to his FH, so for me Ligthpen (the whole PB family revolves around the research association so it seems illogical to me that Ligthpen is not a regent of the family as he is number 2 of the association) and Ilarde are regents.
 
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