Discussion About Aura Combat & How Nen Works

[uberfayt]

We all agree that he is using Manipulation but the way I see it, there is no reason for him to use Conjuration when he can achieve the same result with Transmutation. which is also more convenient. There is nothing to gain from using Conjuration with this ability.

I do not think it is possible to create the statue (as Netero does it) by using Transmutation alone; if he were to use Transmutation, then he has to combine it with Emission and Conjuration (at least how I see it):

Suppose Netero is using Transmutation instead of Conjuration as a main category to summon the statue. Then, according to the info we have so far in the manga and how I understand it, he should do the following:

I.) Forming the statue (Transmutation):

1. He shapes his aura into the statue.
2. He gives the aura the properties of "a solid statue".

At this point, this is what the result should look like:

Spoiler: Doodle to show what I mean

II.) Detaching the statue from his aura (Emission):
As far as I can tell, the statue is not attached to the aura surrounding Netero's body. Thus, he has to use Emission to separate it from himself:

Spoiler: Another doodle

The statue looks aura-like. It lacks texture. Which brings us to the next step:

III.) Giving it texture (Conjuration):
Netero conjures the texture of a Kannon and places it on top of his aura creation. Picture this as if he is giving it a skin.
Logically, conjuring texture should be less taxing and demanding than conjuring a whole physical statue, thus I see it as a low level conjuration skill that Nen users from every category can learn, to at least be able to produce one texture (recall that Hisoka is able to produce 1000 different textures, which is why he probably has the restriction to only apply the texture on a flat surface).

Thus, it goes from this

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to this

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So the main reasons why I don't think transmuting is better than just conjuring the statue directly are:

• we never see Netero go through all the steps above to summon his statue.
• the statue appears instantaneously and can even do so behind his opponent.
• The statue is linked to Netero's prayer. It is not far fetched to imagine the first time the statue took physical form; as a response to Netero's years of incessant meditation and prayers, very poetic. And this makes more sense via Conjuration than via Transmutation.

The only drawback with conjuration is the category incompatibility, but as I explained in my previous post, I don't think this is an issue thanks to the restriction Netero imposed and thanks to his high level in Nen mastery.

While the proficiency levels are great, I don't see how they allow you to circumvent these rules.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean in this sentence.

Why would Netero conjure a huge statue, which would make it visible to other people when he can achieve the same results with Transmutation.

You mean that it would be a breach to the secrecy of nen? In that case he can just conjure it with the property of being invisible to normal people.

Conjured stuff are not always necessarily visible, they can be made invisible by placing conditions on them. Instances of this are the guardian spirit beasts, Rihan's Predator, Pitou's puppets, etc....

The only potential problem is the compatibility; Conjuring an item with the added condition that it is not visible to normal people would increase its complexity level.

Considering its size and the arms, can you even really say that it counts as a Level 60 Conjuration? Other than Korutopi, no one conjured something that huge.

That's the thing, Korutopi casually said he can conjure up to 50 tall buildings that remain for 24 hour, each one with a radar-like property. If this is a glimpse to what a master conjurer could achieve, then saying that half this proficiency is enough to conjure the statue is within reason to me.

Moreover, Netero spent a decade focusing on throwing punches of gratitude and praying. I'd say that counts as one of the best image trainings, wouldn't you too?

What changed the most to me is that I don't believe that Nen Beasts can be "emitted" anymore. Nen Beasts always involve Transmutation or Conjuration in some way. So, Emitters like Pokkle, Razor and Goreinu at least use a bit of Transmutation for their abilities.

I agree. If not purely conjured, the beast has to be made via Transmutation+Emission (with the option to add texture to it via conjuaration, as I described above). Zeno's dragon head is an example of a Nen beast without texture.

 

[Uriel]

While I agree with uberfayt and I feel Netero's technique is a Conjured one, lets remember that similar techniques can be achieved with very different schools. Razor and Goreinu being a good example of very similar techniques that uses a different school rather than conjuration.

 

[uberfayt]

While I agree with uberfayt and I feel Netero's technique is a Conjured one, lets remember that similar techniques can be achieved with very different schools.

Pretty much. My post above showcases two ways for creating a Nen object/beast.

Razor and Goreinu being a good example of very similar techniques that uses a different school rather than conjuration.

We know nothing about how those two create their Nen beasts, it's all up to speculation, just like with Netero's ability. They cannot be used as examples.

All we know for sure is that Razor is an Emitter.

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@Demonspeed still waiting for your reply man! How do you picture the process of transmuting the Kannon statue? Is it like I described, or something different?

 

[Demonspeed]

I can't make a long post ATM but this is how I see Netero's ability. Emission and Transmutation for the statue indeed. Manipulation is used but to a minimum amount since he is using his hand motions as commands. The rest is Enhancement(prayers and strengthening the attacks). Netero doesn't seem to have some kind of strict condition. He simply prays super fast.

Considering it's his Hatsu, I don't see why we would need to see him do everything steps by steps. He can summon it in an instant. Pitou was barely able to perceive something. Has it been said anywhere that Conjuration is needed to give texture to Nen Beasts? I don't think it's necessary and in this case it would mean that Razor and Goreinu uses Conjuration too. Netero doesn't need to make his statue visible to the non Nen Users.

HK being invisible would also not affect is tangibility. It would limit the way he can use it. In a room for example, the statue would simply destroy his surroundings simply by summoning it.

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I think it's safe to say that Goreinu is an Emitter too. His beasts are even used to swap, which is Emission.

 

[ShadowHeart]

I'm curious how much aura you can get with Contagion. Reaching above lvl 50 seems like it gives you a huge increase so I'm assuming lvl 100 will give you a massive increase alongside forming your own community.

 

[Demonspeed]

Did the recent details about Specialization change your perception of Nen or make you reconsider certain things about it? Do you think that Ging's talents with Nen mean that he is a Specialist for example? I think not.

I'm curious how much aura you can get with Contagion. Reaching above lvl 50 seems like it gives you a huge increase so I'm assuming lvl 100 will give you a massive increase alongside forming your own community.

Should depend on the person itself.

 

[Demonspeed]

Now that Tserriednich's ability has an official name, what do you think are the ways it could evolve?

Since it's named Ephemeral Ten Seconds it looks like this limit will never change at least.