Chapter Fairy Tail: 100YQ Chapter 222 Discussion

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Regarding Tartarus I think Seliah was one of the strongest demons on par with Kyoka before Kyoka got an amp from Seliah power.

as far as i can get from manga, she was her subordinate, not her equal.

Seilah was not much weaker than Kyoka and even then Erza had a less believable win. Both Erza and Mira paralleled one another throughout that entire arc. That is when they were called the most reliable duo, that's when they both had equal portrayal vs Tartaros soldiers (mirrored panels) that's when they both escaped at the same time, that's when they both took on Kyoka and Seilah in their weaker forms and thought both were strong, that's when they both had their peaks Sitri/Armadura destroyed by Seilah and Kyoka's etherious and that's when Mira had to go beyond her takeover limits to take over macro and command elfman to beat Seilah/Erza's will power pushed her beyond her limits to develop something akin to a 6th sense. Mira also saved Erza from Seilah in that arc. Tartaros was the actual arc their parity was shown. Seilah and Kyoka were a duo and lovers going up against FT's most reliable duo S class women.

but they werent duo, kyoka was leader, and only one near her was silver. and then absorbed Seilah as well, then erza bs win lol

Vs Azuma she came to the same conclusion Erza did i.e. if i put all my power into attack i can beat him however Mira decided to save Lisanna and then Erza got Jellal's mental call and the guild's magic turned against Azuma and helped her win. The fact that she was matching and hurting Azuma with BSS and only got crucial hits when Lisanna distracted her was proof that she would win normally with Sitri. It was also paralelled that Erza couldn't use Armadura as it was damaged and Mira couldn't use Sitri as she didn't have the required magical power. This showed that BSS Mira was on the same level as heavens wheel/black wing/flight armor/giant armor/adamantine armored Erza.

two things happened in this arc.
1) the test, which showed every single s class can handle what laxus handled in in ff arc. markarov clearly told s class mages to hold back. and obviously he couldnt have predicted that natsu and gajeel wont team up and end up facing Mira.
My conclusion: Mishma believes that Mira could perform similiar to laxus (ff arc)

2) Azuma: Mira faced a different Azuma than erza. Azuma ranks solid laxus tier. he low diffed pantherlily, who in the very previous arc, stalemated gajeel. But Mira said she was low on power. Might have something to do with the her break, but still that is red flag there
erza fought much stronger Azuma, because of two factors (i) erza fought him in giant tree (Azuma magic was Lost Tree magic), vs Mira, he stood near the forest. (ii) Azuma had access to fairy tail powers. no matter how you think the fight went, Azuma at the end had to rely on Tera Clemare (fairy power held by azuma, this is equivalent to what Erza did with Motherglare now), without it, he seems to have no way of putting erza down. Azuma first Tera Clemare knocked erza straight out, then erza bs, then next Tera Clemare made erza give up her family and accept death, then erza bs

in simpler words
Azuma beat Mira
Advantaged Azuma lost to bs Erza

so, i would hard press to believe Mira feats with this. I blame Mishma for Mira lack of panels

Both Erza and Mira could not and did not beat full powered spriggan on their own. Even Irene decided to kill herself.

Erza could, that is why Marin was essential for Ajeel. Erza vs Ajeel fight is more close to Laxus vs Wahl with 90% of erza arsenal useless

Irene was far stronger, even then erza over powered dragon irene strongest on screen move, and blasted ROT aconlogia across the sky. This erza has better feats than even gildarts

Meanwhile Mira was left with those swords and blind and transport less jacob (atleast Mira also didnt transform for this jacob, so one can claim Mira might be above normal springgan)

100 years quest totally sealed the deal for Mira, fans just choose to focus on fights/arcs when Mira is absent. Mira tied with Skullion in her weakest form while Erza with Benizakura and clear heart form couldn't beat Kyria. BSS is Mira's weakest original form while clear heart +benizakura is Erza's original offensive ace. To beat Kyria Erza had to use a new power i.e. enchanted blades. People focus on Erza vs Laxus but forget what happened when Mira and Erza had to fight opponents from the same group and one can argue Skullion is stronger than Kyria since he low diffed DES Gray and she was matched by star dress mix spells from Lucy while Madmole was matched by Elfman. When you compare Mira fighting the same type of opponents as Erza in 100 years quest, Mira shines.

Laxus also low diffed all of the trio and Erza was overpowering Kyria with her enchantments and then tied with Laxus using them. This just supports that Mira using a higher form than BSS would've allowed her to match Laxus and that version of Erza since Alegria is doing so right now with the strongest versions of Erza and Laxus.

Funny how Erza was unserious for Kyria but Mira was serious for Skullion lol. Mira used her weakest form while Erza used her peak offensive form then used an enchantment but Mira was the serious one. Fact is both were serious but limited by plot/ Mashima the dragon eaters were the newest threats. When the BDSK became the new threats the trio were powercrept. Erza was shocked that Laxus beat Kyria and called the strong twice.

here i would agree with you 100% but unfortunately, i have been following fairy tail for a long time. erza is used as hype tool most of the time and then she gets redeemed by the end of the arc (More panels because erza is main character). Example Erza vs kyria then Erza vs Laxus, or Erza vs Suzaku then Erza vs Misaki or Erza vs Marin then Erza vs Irene. it is standard for erza at this point
Erza moves from lucy tier in the start to Laxus or laxus plus tier at the end.

Mirajane doesnt get this, because she barely gets any panels at all

this is so predictable that we could easily predict erza will redeam herself after ajeel, while rest of the fans here were talking about erza reaching her ceiling (mirrors gmg arc reaction as well). you can check old power level threads for evidence

Also, the argument that Mira is the only one at their peak vs the Calamity Blood dragons falls flat, since Erza used her Irene form and had her slashes blocked and was pushed back by Motherglare. Laxus powered up when he beat Kirin and is now powered by Elexion's soul instead of the lacrima. Alegria Mira is matching Elexion Soul Laxus' reaction time/speed and durability right now. Laxus did not use red lightning to attack but that is not a form that makes him faster/more durable so it's irrelevant if we are talking about what Mira did. Laxus doesn't have forms like Erza and Mira. Laxus defense is usually the same. It's his attack that varies with red lightning. It's a false equivalence to say Mira is in her peak and Laxus is in base. What form does Laxus have to raise his defense? Laxus' red lightning is powered up by him getting hurt ironically enough. Again, this is Laxus powered by Elexion's soul. Mira is using her peak from the original series unlike him and Erza. Mira's durability is also shown to equal him which ironically enough was not the case for Erza in her fight vs Laxus.

Mirajane in alegria threw Scissor Runner from a great distance since they were nowhere near Laxus, and used enough force to have him spin uncontrollably and crash into levia, hurting both dragons in the process. This also saved Laxus from the magic drain. Laxus trading blows with Levia and Erza slashing Motherglare with her Irene form before using the dragonized earth energy do not surpass what Mira did. Mira also just used physical might she hasn't caused any explosions like she did vs Heine and Juliet so even then if Laxus hasn't used thunder dragon king red lightning I can say Mira didn't use her Alegria energy yet either.

what i mean here, if story doesnt now end and this is not the last fights, then erza will get more fights. might not happen for mira because Mishma again. otherwise, this erza move may be her strongest move as well

So while I agree that Mashima doesn't treat Mira well I disagree with people claiming in terms of powerscaling she lacks hype/feats. Erza will always get more however Mira has enough feats/hype especially in 100 years quest for people to get that Mira is on the same level as Erza and even Laxus.

i guess people have different ways of proving things to themselves. i normally start with "i might be wrong", so i always need abnormal evidence for my side vs the opposing

 

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but they werent duo, kyoka was leader, and only one near her was silver. and then absorbed Seilah as well, then erza bs win lol

They were still a duo since they were lovers, always together, fought parallel fights to the most reliable duo Mira and Erza and both had the best hax. Seilah 2 shot Sitri, Kyoka 1 shot Armadura leading 2 both Erza and Mira surpassing their limits. Seilah also was going to kill Erza before Mira stepped in then Erza was the only one left who could beat Kyoka. Mira was the only person who could stop Seilah. While fighting Kyoka Erza was able to let in FT reinforcements and in her fight with Seilah Mira destroyed their only way of regenerating. Those 2 fights were very much mirrored fights and even then Erza had an illogical win while Mira's made more sense.

two things happened in this arc.
1) the test, which showed every single s class can handle what laxus handled in in ff arc. markarov clearly told s class mages to hold back. and obviously he couldnt have predicted that natsu and gajeel wont team up and end up facing Mira.
My conclusion: Mishma believes that Mira could perform similiar to laxus (ff arc)

2) Azuma: Mira faced a different Azuma than erza. Azuma ranks solid laxus tier. he low diffed pantherlily, who in the very previous arc, stalemated gajeel. But Mira said she was low on power. Might have something to do with the her break, but still that is red flag there
erza fought much stronger Azuma, because of two factors (i) erza fought him in giant tree (Azuma magic was Lost Tree magic), vs Mira, he stood near the forest. (ii) Azuma had access to fairy tail powers. no matter how you think the fight went, Azuma at the end had to rely on Tera Clemare (fairy power held by azuma, this is equivalent to what Erza did with Motherglare now), without it, he seems to have no way of putting erza down. Azuma first Tera Clemare knocked erza straight out, then erza bs, then next Tera Clemare made erza give up her family and accept death, then erza bs

in simpler words
Azuma beat Mira
Advantaged Azuma lost to bs Erza

so, i would hard press to believe Mira feats with this. I blame Mishma for Mira lack of panels

Again Erza had help from Jellal and FT's magic. Azuma basically won before Jellal mentally called out to her and was still winning before the guild themselves helped Erza. Mira included. Azuma was not powered by the magic itself. He simply used it for Tera Clemare.

Mirajane said her magic is not one to be used constantly. It's not a stamina issue. By nature that's how it is based on what she said. It was thus evident in Mira doing some of the damage she was doing. She damaged his shield when he actively defended and hurt him. Yet we know Mira was able to match Erza's Armadura with Sitri so Erza's stamina never helped her. Mira still came to the conclusion that had she put all her power into attacking she could win. Identical to Erza's assumption before she was down to Tera Clemare and Jellal woke her up basically. So Erza's help and POF are being compared to Mira's performance when she's rushing and distracted. Not mentioning low on power because she was still thinking the same thing Erza was. As I said when you compare them without special circumstances favoring Erza, it's a parallel.

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We even see her deciding to save Lisanna instead of trying to beat Azuma with all her power. So she would've likely ended up like Erza before Jellal's POF moment unless Mashima wrote lisanna calling out to her or something.

And Mira's magic is vindicated because we saw how Alegria passively boiled away a part of the ocean and traumatized Heine and Julliet but is now having Mira arguably outperform Erza' newest modes.

Erza could, that is why Marin was essential for Ajeel. Erza vs Ajeel fight is more close to Laxus vs Wahl with 90% of erza arsenal useless

Irene was far stronger, even then erza over powered dragon irene strongest on screen move, and blasted ROT aconlogia across the sky. This erza has better feats than even gildarts

Meanwhile Mira was left with those swords and blind and transport less jacob (atleast Mira also didnt transform for this jacob, so one can claim Mira might be above normal springgan)

I agree that this was not good for Mira however there is no evidence that Erza could. When Marin's power was not active it took Jupiter and Nakagami starlight to finish Ajeel. It doesn't matter if Irene was far stronger. So my point is neither Erza nor Mira proved they could match and beat a spriggan. Erza and Laxus didn't even get hype to class them similar in that arc since Laxus was looking spriggan level of higher while Erza was below eg Brandish. This and the GMG were the only times Mashima actually put Laxus/Jellal clearly ahead unlike now when they're equals or back in the battle of FT when Erza looked capable of beating him even if she didn't outright match him like Mystogan. Erza pushed Acnologia down. It was in the same arc Laxus and Jellal were shown spriggan level or above unlike Erza, Juvia rocked Acnologia's boat with his weight on it and Jellal defended against his attack. Again Mira was the one helping Erza lure him away and distract him again being portrayed as a duo.

here i would agree with you 100% but unfortunately, i have been following fairy tail for a long time. erza is used as hype tool most of the time and then she gets redeemed by the end of the arc (More panels because erza is main character). Example Erza vs kyria then Erza vs Laxus, or Erza vs Suzaku then Erza vs Misaki or Erza vs Marin then Erza vs Irene. it is standard for erza at this point
Erza moves from lucy tier in the start to Laxus or laxus plus tier at the end.

Mirajane doesnt get this, because she barely gets any panels at all

this is so predictable that we could easily predict erza will redeam herself after ajeel, while rest of the fans here were talking about erza reaching her ceiling (mirrors gmg arc reaction as well). you can check old power level threads for evidence

It doesn't matter. Erza had a 2nd fight with Kyria and couldn't end her with Benizakura which was her original offensive ace. Mira's fight fight with the stronger Skullion, days later had her drawing in BSS. Erza even continued hyping Kyria when she fought Laxus in the next arc being shocked Laxus beat her. Just like Motherglare and Scissor Runner/Levia it's a comparable feat.

Mira is now ragdolling Scissor runner. Mira failing to get a fight isn't the same as Mira loses to the opponents. Mira didn't fight Laxus or Misaki however when Mira fought Skullion she arguably did better than Erza in BSS vs Erza with benizakura. When she fights a calamity blood like Erza and Laxus she ends up tanking their moves like Laxus, saving Laxus, hurting 2 dragons at once etc with only alegria i.e. no new form.

The fans take advantage of Mira not being there to say she's weak but she always gets enough hype and even feats at times to warrant her rating. And Mira is not important in FT. She will never get the attention Erza and even Laxus gets so we should not just say oh well Mira is weaker because she isn't present in an arc. Even when Mashima makes her lose he does it with a reason so justify this so as to not affect her rep i.e. Azuma and her choosing to save Lisanna.

what i mean here, if story doesnt now end and this is not the last fights, then erza will get more fights. might not happen for mira because Mishma again. otherwise, this erza move may be her strongest move as well



i guess people have different ways of proving things to themselves. i normally start with "i might be wrong", so i always need abnormal evidence for my side vs the opposing

The thing is it doesn't matter if Erza gets more again because it failed to have her surpass Laxus and even Mira all story long. So logically if Erza gets more feats or more powers, next time you see Laxus and Mira they'd have more feats, more powers and/or more hype like most reliable duo/strongest in the middle so Mira or Laxus/Laxus is 2nd strongest after Gildarts etc that has been shown in the past. It is understood that she will not surpass Laxus/Gildarts for example when she powers up again or does something ridiculous like breaking Irene's meteor or beating Kyoka because she's erza.

My point is really, Mira's scaling is consistent and here to stay and her being half of Miraxus just give more potential to it. She's been hyped in the battle of FT, Tenrou, GMG, Tartaros, 100 years quest, notably. Technically the fact that heine and juliet could push BSS like that in a 2 vs one gives them a combined power beyond Gray/Gajeel w/o POF.