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[Demonspeed]

??? Phantaminum and Enryu didn't get tested. Enryu simply went to the 43rd Floor, killed the Guardian, Zahard's followers and left the Thorn along with his message.

Phantaminum did whatever he wanted and left after visiting Zahard's palace.

The current Ranker tests didn't exist when Zahard and his companions were climbing.

 

[insignificant creature]

I wonder if phanta and enryu forcefully enter the tower unlike how viole entered voluntarily or tower opened itself for viole.

 

[insignificant creature]

But how they can become ranker? As urek do ranker test too to become ranker.

I don't know about phanta. How they managed to give him 1st ranking. But if a guy could kill admin with just the power alone can make him a HR. You need status, power, and influence. For reference take Whitebeard for example. To be a yonko, you need to have power, influence and wealth. Now, suppose Ace killed WB, wouldn't that make him a yonko. Why would he need influence and other criterias? You would automatically think he is above him.

 

[kkck]

It doesn't look like enryu and phantaminum climbed the tower conventionally. At least not that we know off. I suppose it's possible enryu entered entirely unnoticed and climbed without calling any attention to himself unlike bam. With phanta its different because he is omnipotent, there's no way he could ever be held back by measly admins. on the other hand perhaps defeating a bunch of rankers and high rankers gets you a rank...

 

[Demonspeed]

Are you sure? There is not a chance that enryu/phanta do ranker test? As someone said some regular must do ranker test if that regular want to ranked in ranker rank?

Enryu charateristic shinshu like when he always surrounding with red shinshu when he appears that he got soberiquet "red tower" if someone didn't record it or just happen see it on 43rd floor I believe they cannot notice it as specifict as that.

Or phata who got weapon that noone ever see in tower that weapon so strange they cannot identified it, does phata do some adventure first to make someone notice of his weapon?

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Oh yeah that test didn't exist when GW climbing but why the GW can become high ranker if they didn't do ranker test?

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But how they can become ranker? As urek do ranker test too to become ranker.

Zahard and co took Admin tests. As Zahard established himself they established the current system too.

Enryu's Red Rain had witnesses and he left a message. Who would relay it if he had killed everyone? He wasn't tested, he just came to do what he was ordered to do. He and Phantaminum are special cases.

They are the Top 2 because their feats speak for themselves. Urek came was Zahard was already leading and although he was strong, he wasn't as strong as the two others.

 

[insignificant creature]

Yeah I can take it too, then ranker test for baam is useless isn't it?

Maybe viole will take exam just to climb the tower. I think ranker test will give viole the physical boost he has been lacking so far.Even urek was able to go toe to toe against hon when he was an A rank regular. By going this, will we see viole going against one of weakest family leader maybe when he becomes B rank regular or maybe A rank?

 

[Demonspeed]

Well isn't it odd if enryu just suddenly know about shinshu? About baang? Even for baam as baam the executor of enryu's messege didn't know shinshu and must learn it first? Does enryu learn it outside from arlene?

Edit: for phanta as we can see on wiki:

Phantaminum

Phantaminum (펜타미넘, Pentamineom) is a mysterious and highly dangerous Irregular, currently ranked 1st in the Tower. He is infamous for contributing to the creation of the stereotype against Irregulars. He is presumably the most powerful entity in the Tower and is actually an Axis (Reality...

towerofgod.fandom.com

He didn't use any shinshu or baang and the record of his fighting is only he is violent and used weapon that cannot identified anyone in tower I can put his case rest aside because he as we know didn't used specific baang or shinshu so he is special case.

Why would it be odd when we don't know who Enryu is and what he knows? His boss is obviously a being superior to anyone in the Tower.

 

[kkck]

Yeah I can take it too, then ranker test for baam is useless isn't it?

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Yeah the progress to become ranker I think isn't as text book as we can assume for now, then I believe there isn't rigid rules for baam to become ranker without ranker test?

I think it's pretty textbook tbh. It's a system implemented by the empire with administrator permission in the end. The limitations of the system are one in a trillion folk like phanta, maybe enryu...

 

[kkck]

If that what you think, baam is high ranker yes? Because he can toe to toe with ren, BH, and white? Isn't it some archievement to make baam as high ranker even he doesn't need on ranker rank, like some blue hole.

I don't think bam is a high ranker. He has at least the power of one but ranks are ultimately assigned by the ranking office. And the last we heard is that they were trying to figure out what to do with bam. Of course, they might simply decide to not do anything regarding bam.

 

[Demonspeed]

Yeah but shinshu is only on tower, can his god make shinshu outside tower to make enryu learn about shinshu? Or make tower that have shinshu and he learn there?

Even in the cave that baam reside there isn't shinshu I believe, because baam only learn shinshu or know shinshu when he is inside the tower.

Who knows what he can do? What you are saying is also based on what we from the Tower. He might as well be the one who created it.

Yeah ranking office must do it, I believe they will rank baam high ranker after news they got about baam after this arc, because his archievement great enough to put him as high ranker even he doesn't do ranker test like enryu or phanta if we believe they didn't do ranker test.

It's not going to happen. They are exceptions and it's a different era. Baam is also an enemy to the empire. It makes no sense to give him that kind of rank and hype him up.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Maybe Luslec is the King on Bam’s side!?

 

[insignificant creature]

The family leader expect gustang or zahard or who support zahard will not become enemy for baam I believe even traumerei if all of his memory comeback maybe he will support baam when his lopobia family went down, the real test for baam is gustang (who want to destroy the tower that his friend family live in there), zahard (who the one stop the climb and family head who support him like arie hon), and some enemy who stop zahard to climbing.

How do you know this? I don't think there is a condition that some FLs must be on his side. Data E did tell he would have chosen V but that's a data not real one. He could have changed. Viole isn't V. Even gus book told us that all of them including V and Arlene are sinners. Maybe we will see Viole Vs all family leaders with urek or enryu appearing. If they side with him because of Yuri or AA or Ehwa then that would be stupidest plotline there. I don't think they would care about towerborn especially considering this matter which has an irregular.

 

[insignificant creature]

Expect zahard, arie, and gustang, why other familyhead want to become enemy of baam?

Why do they want to become viole's friends? He is not an established irregular. If trauma didn't want to use him, he would have killed him. One must know trauma enjoys using people or creatures. Viole is not a threat to them right now but will be in future. Trauma himself says this. At the moment, Viole is vulnerable.

 

[insignificant creature]

The war will never end for now because gustang do whatever means to destroy zahard's kingdom, lopobia family here try to help zahard to end gustang ambition, but what happen now? Lopobia family who want help zahard almost meet their ends, if lopobia family become ends do you think another family will help zahard to end gustang's ambition?

Another family will think, what they gain for help zahard or not to help zahard, do you think another family will think the same like lopobia family to help zahard and if something wrong their family will ends is good for them?

That's what I mean why they aren't gonna become enemy of baam, they will think what they gain to help or not help zahard in this war.

Do you think family leaders care about vermins? In Gus and Trauma's convo there was a line as long as we maintain our relationship. What if Jahad manages to get help from blossom? How would that go? Maybe other will think they will prove how far they are in contest with LPB. Do you think AKH, families will fear PB family?

To choose between 2 sides they must have atleast an equal profit. If they chose viole, that would be investment. Also they have to babysit him. That's what Gus is doing RN. You cannot compare Jahad and Viole RN. With just J influence, Viole's good days will be over.