Luslec + Valhalla vs Gustang (No Flames)

[arrowofsky]

Gustang already alluded to having defeated Arlene in the past after she failed to stop him by standing in his way just like Baam did.

So yeah, it's not really news here if she's on the weaker side, people selectively believing she was on top is what brought us here in the first place.





I think you're missing the important component of shinsoo playing a part in one of this instance and absolutely devoid in the other.

Pure physical power is not the same as power enhanced by shinsoo bearing distinct properties, we know this already.

Shinsoo has functions and natures, things it can specifically affect, cause, create or destroy.


Dumas has a weird nature and is strong too to boot.

These are correct, man. But in the later chapters Webtoon talked about Eurasia's flames and Urek's fists as conceptual destroyers or something along those lines. Yet, when you look at 599-601 chapters Urek-Luslec scuffling, in several cases Urek's fists or attack did not really annihilated the spells, but activated its second stage.
If the shinwonryu- SBHS or whatnot have one touch and spell annihilation as many think here, it is pointless to hype spells because regulars are just NPC-like anyway. One thing is, I know Urek did not enter rice pot but are we sure that he can't shinwonryu? The later chapter's conceptual power bla bla does not feel so. Shinwonryu looks like a wave controller thing, but after you got that stronger you probably do those things in any position anyway.
Another issue is again, shinwonryu was always an orb, its activated and you do things etc., but when Baam counter spells he just touches like some kind of Prophet and they are gone, he is not doing shinwonryu to deactivate spells. You gotta evaluate him separately.
In short, from what I see, it is possible that you put a cascade spell and if an irregular tries to forcefully deactivate it by shinwonryu, it might just enter the spells second stage.

I can see there are several inconsistencies in the manhwa itself, and sometimes retcons, but we should rather be wary about it instead of currying them in our favor

 

[Ray Barracuda]

These are correct, man. But in the later chapters Webtoon talked about Eurasia's flames and Urek's fists as conceptual destroyers or something along those lines.

Ehn, more like he just ripped it apart instead of blowing it up.

But still, unlike Eurasias flames which is constantly in a state of destruction, Urek's nature isn't always applied, dude is just physically strong and that's enough most of the time.

Take a look at Hell joe and the red thryssa, Urek didn't annihilate it completely and instead let it attach itself to Baam, flat out felt it too and let it be.


And then we have Revos too whom he didn't use the nature on, then we also have Luslecs spells.


The only time he used that nature was two times, the first being against Traumereis infinitely regenerating green monster and Eurasias flames which he snuffed out upon his entrance.


Second being against Disconnection and Eurasias flames once again, in fact that was the first time we got confirmation Urek has absolute destruction as a nature.


It's just once again, SIU makes Urek fight like a schizo and not apply it to everything cause if he die, Baams body and soul woulda died a long time ago the first time Ureks shinsoo touched him if you get what i mean.

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Urek did not enter rice pot but are we sure that he can't shinwonryu? The later chapter's conceptual power bla bla does not feel so. Shinwonryu looks like a wave controller thing, but after you got that stronger you probably do those things in any position anyway.
Another issue is again, shinwonryu was always an orb, its activated and you do things etc., but when Baam counter spells he just touches like some kind of Prophet and they are gone, he is not doing shinwonryu to deactivate spells. You gotta evaluate him separately.

Nahh, I'm very sure without a doubt that Urek doesn't have Shinwonryu, he's just a weird monster as SIU is building him up to be.


SIU is always making sure to point out that there's absolutely something wrong with Urek's body, even Luslec pointed it out that his body doesn't make sense and Gustang made some allusions to the fact it doesn't make sense for Urek to be stuck in the tower which means he knows something we don't yet.


But maybe eventually we'll come to find out whatever the weird thing is with Urek's body as whole, maybe he might have something inside him just like Z and Baam?


Won't rule that out i guess