Discussion Official Androssi Zahard Discussion Thread

[Jammin]

I'm not sure about her quality and shape. I can totally see the serpent thing but my first impression of it was that it looked like a Devil Tail. Or a Heart shaped arrow (like a cupid thing). But a snake also seems possible. So I'm not sure what it represents.

As to whether she's "Crazy in love" or "Crazy; In love." I think she's neither. She's been very rational in my opinion. Which makes it even more impressive to me. She knows exactly what she's risking by doing everything she's done and continues to do for Baam. The part where she was dismissively like "I'm screwed either way." is pretty telling of her mentality. She's decided to follow her heart down a path that she knows probably won't end very well. But she's willing to roll the dice to chase her dream.

 

[kkck]

Androsi's quality is incredibly strange for something that is supposed to be based on a real tool. It is flexible, flies around independently.. In practical terms it most resembles a reel with needles but of course she does not appear to have a reel to which her needles are attached and her needles are flexible and well, snakelike. I can see why her shinsoo quality is so special and perhaps even the reason she was selected as a princess. It really defies how an object behaves. At least objects we know of.... And a minimum, her shinsoo quality is inherently superior to a standard reel with needles. Her needles are unlimited, no reel necessary and she can control it with far more freedom than a reel user can ever hope for. Androsi's shinsoo quality even with what little we know appears to be BS levels of absurd and powerful. Heck, it even got hoaquin, an arie swordsmanship user complain about it being unpredictable.

Add to that that bam and his friends have barely grasped their shinsoo qualities. We saw data eduan and zahard use a number of variations to their qualities. what happens when androsi starts that? Giant needles coming at the enemy from every direction? Thousands of needle sized.... needles coming at the enemy?

 

[Demonspeed]

Androssi has no reason to leave so yes she will stay relevant. Besides Baam himself she is the most active among Regulars fighting Zahard right now, and her reputation was bad already. I think the Lo Po Bia Twins will have the permission to kill her or something.

As for her attribute, I don't believe it's related to the Snake Charmer. She is someone he found while he was looking for young talents, they don't have blood ties. Her attribute is so rare that even someone like White never saw it.

 

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Androsi's quality is incredibly strange for something that is supposed to be based on a real tool. It is flexible, flies around independently.. In practical terms it most resembles a reel with needles but of course she does not appear to have a reel to which her needles are attached and her needles are flexible and well, snakelike. I can see why her shinsoo quality is so special and perhaps even the reason she was selected as a princess. It really defies how an object behaves. At least objects we know of.... And a minimum, her shinsoo quality is inherently superior to a standard reel with needles. Her needles are unlimited, no reel necessary and she can control it with far more freedom than a reel user can ever hope for. Androsi's shinsoo quality even with what little we know appears to be BS levels of absurd and powerful. Heck, it even got hoaquin, an arie swordsmanship user complain about it being unpredictable.

Add to that that bam and his friends have barely grasped their shinsoo qualities. We saw data eduan and zahard use a number of variations to their qualities. what happens when androsi starts that? Giant needles coming at the enemy from every direction? Thousands of needle sized.... needles coming at the enemy?

To your point, Koon Marco Ascensio has a shinsoo quality that behaves like a spear and yet attacks from a ton of places. So because it’s based on a spear doesn’t mean it’s limited to all the rules of a real one - it’s the opposite. Shinsoo makes it even more versatile.

For Androssi, I felt they were darts since that is what the initial shape looked like.

 

[kkck]

To your point, Koon Marco Ascensio has a shinsoo quality that behaves like a spear and yet attacks from a ton of places. So because it’s based on a spear doesn’t mean it’s limited to all the rules of a real one - it’s the opposite. Shinsoo makes it even more versatile.

For Androssi, I felt they were darts since that is what the initial shape looked like.

I am not sure of what the ascencio situation is. Can we be sure that's actually his shinsoo quality? Ascencio had a physical spear AND as far as we know it is unusual for regulars to have found their shinsoo's qualities. It's fair to say his shinsoo quality is spear related of course given his ability with one but that is a different situation from him having found his shinsoo's characteristics that early on.

I don't object to them being darts. But is there a difference between them being darts and needles? A dart sounds like a small needle. And regardless of that, what is most outstanding about androsi's shinsoo is the way she controls it. Most weapons we have seen that are made with shinsoo don't seem to have the capacity to be controlled like that. The closest thing is ascencio so far and even he didn't have the versatility androsi has due to androsi not being limited by physical weapon. in turn, imagine zahard. Can he have his golden needle just fly around? He can throw gigantic needles but once they are thrown it does not seem like there is room for further control.

 

[toil]

To clarify: I think Androssi's shinsoo shape clearly references the snake charmer snakes, but I am agnostic about it being more than a hat-tip. They do resemble darts and demon-tails, too. Even if more than just a hat-tip, I have an easier time imagining the creative process going the other way: start with a "demon's tail" => 1 is too limiting => lots of tails => make smaller to fit them into panels easier => "look like snakes" => need to ground it something significant to her => finalize some "creepy talent scout" concept into the "snake charmer" (instead of "smoke monster", "shadow stalker", or some other creepy, hide-able archetype). Not saying that's what happened, just saying which I'd imagine to be the car and which the driver.

If she gets better at it, I could see her evolving to fight more like Kaiser: confuse with omnidirectional "dart/snake" overload, then teleport in for the kill. Could also see the snake charmer attacks fitting her current brawler style: immobilize enemies with "snakes", weave more "snakes" into a thicker needle, and puncture their defense. It's a really unusual concept without too many obvious constraints based on what we've seen.

 

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