Discussion Who wins?

[Anne isn't a TT]

Obrion vs Mirchea.

Mirchea is shown to be a fighter with his strange tricks and spells, while Obrion says handling strange things is his speciality.

Who wins if they fight?

 

[arrowofsky]

I mean currently it is unfair to compare, we saw all extremely powerful attacks of Aubrion, while Luslec tried some of his attacks on Urek only, which were mostly nuisance type things.

 

[undefined]

Obrion easily

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

I mean currently it is unfair to compare, we saw all extremely powerful attacks of Aubrion, while Luslec tried some of his attacks on Urek only, which were mostly nuisance type things.

Did we see any named attack of Obrion? I don't remember much about that. Obrion also seems to be schemer rather than a fighter like hiding behind the shadows and manipulating things.

 

[arrowofsky]

Did we see any named attack of Obrion? I don't remember much about that. Obrion also seems to be schemer rather than a fighter like hiding behind the shadows and manipulating things.

That's true but he had a friend, he had an effing different form, he bleed Urek a lot and stuff, and it looked like a lot stronger from Luslec's (while Urek had 20 % shinsoo reinforcement but we don't know if it make a significant impact). Luslec on the other hand, make some floral butterfly, some CQC, some spells and escaped, it was not a real fight.

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Obrion easily

I am not speaking with you for 30 minutes.

 

[Demonspeed]

A Shiny(Irregular) VS a top tier Towerborn. The answer is obvious.

 

[undefined]

I am not speaking with you for 30 minutes.

I don’t know about you, but I think it’s been a little over 30 minutes by now.

 

[Strange]

Coughing baby versus hydrogen bomb

 

[arrowofsky]

Idk folks what I see here is a bit simplistic. Luslec can't be a pushover that much, he was introduced almost at the beginning of the story with the blogpost. (Yeah, not that it is always canon, but him capable of nothing is nigh).

Coughing baby versus hydrogen bomb

You wanna bet? If this fight happens (actually a possible fight for S4) and Aubrion loses I win, otherwise you lose. What do you say?

A Shiny(Irregular) VS a top tier Towerborn. The answer is obvious.

Can you elaborate more? I can see the irregular difference, but their irregularity is different than GW or baam + rachel, they dont climb but still can change floors similar to how Yuri Zahard secretly did at the beginning. They are not expected to have strong shinsoo use, Urek was an exception, far from them and he still climbed, and they are parasite and while they can gain abundance power from the Dump, we saw fairly strong individuals appeared from there and did not look like they were with crystals.
I dont see that revs succumbed to them, which should hint at something to you, too.

 

[Strange]

You wanna bet? If this fight happens (actually a possible fight for S4) and Aubrion loses I win, otherwise you lose. What do you say?

I wanna bet, but i want to know in what world you think aubrion looses this is funnies joke ie ever heard , btw are you telling us that pentaminum is freaking weakling ? because after all we needed pentaminum to kick aubrion, so if pentaminum is a bit stronger than aubrion it just means that the guy is another weakling , i think you are way off friend .

Urek needed his light + shinsoo to even scratch aubrio after he changed his form now here you are telling us that luslec will win ? you have zero arguments for that to even prove anything, go and see how big shining ones shall shine and just that shining light would be enough to swallow any floor easily after all those lights are far beyond and far bigger than any planet (phyiscal) .

Luslec yeah wins, last time i checked tower will make urek like being who is like pentaminum, and the guy who barely kicked aubrion and i know in future he kicked latour + aubrion when they were going to be sealed off but it doesn't matter . You think too highly of luslec, i know you like him too much but i'd not put him so high, cuz aubrion wont spare him like urek did hell just stand would kick luslec so hard that he wont be able jack squat . Aubrion isn't some turtle from the tower, aubrion have seen zilliard things that luslec cannot even imagine or any towerborn or tower resident or even GWs all combined .


i mentioned pentaminum becuase it was darkness that created the being for one purpose and gave it enough power to subdue shining ones, but here we are see from you that aubrion is weaker than luslec ? then why the hell pentaminum wont make out of luslec a jewel ? LOL

There are somany things i can say that idk . luslec has zero chance unless you will say that pentaminum is another weakling .


urek spared luslec zillion times , 25% <<< that was 25% , reiforcement i am not saying anything special he could have cut off luslecs head there but he spared that fodder, luslec couldn't even react nor see him anywhere just go and look at that . if you tell me those joke spells that supposedly held urek like 0.01 sec that'd be funny . luslec has nothing to go against aubrion who needed ureks full power at that second floor + shinsoo reinforcement . luslec could get killed with less power .


And if we go with your opinion then enryu must be another fodder cuz the guy is below pentaminum who is barely above aubrion . and cuz guardian was killed by enryu it means jack squat for pentaminum cuz he can shit on any guardian like ants .

so make your choice which is the way you want to go

 

[arrowofsky]

@undefined the trick still works xD

@Strange Urek needing light + shinsoo to even 'scratch' was a big word, you went too far to hype Aubrion. It is impossible to consider Urek's use of shinsoo at that point as a top level shinsoo use. While being genius, he was still learning, I am sure he is better at using shinsoo now.

FWIW I am not really thinking too highly of Luslec, let alone Urek, he can't win against FHs either. For shinies, compared to the weird reversal trick of Mago, I have not seen sort of trickery from Aubrion, even though we see him going all out against Urek for sure. As an opinion, I am not putting the gap between TT and irregulars as much as you or Demon or many more members here, and smuggled Shinies probably have a flaw with him. Otherwise, Revs would not even wait Gus Traum match to make an intro and immediate retreat.

To make myself even clearer, hyping shinies as much as you do makes the Revs current power ridiculously lower, while some shinies were to be killed probably through S2 of spinoff, even one of them should be enough to snipe FHs, as we have seen, many of them are alone in general, not always cuddled.

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and thanks for the pages but I am not impressed from trash talks

 

[Demonspeed]

Can you elaborate more? I can see the irregular difference, but their irregularity is different than GW or baam + rachel, they dont climb but still can change floors similar to how Yuri Zahard secretly did at the beginning. They are not expected to have strong shinsoo use, Urek was an exception, far from them and he still climbed, and they are parasite and while they can gain abundance power from the Dump, we saw fairly strong individuals appeared from there and did not look like they were with crystals.
I dont see that revs succumbed to them, which should hint at something to you, too.

I just wanted to highlight that they are all Irregulars. Why would they not be good at Shinsoo? They simply didn't learn it, they have the potential to learn.

They don't need Shinsoo to destroy any Towerborn anyway.

 

[arrowofsky]

I just wanted to highlight that they are all Irregulars. Why would they not be good at Shinsoo? They simply didn't learn it, they have the potential to learn.

They don't need Shinsoo to destroy any Towerborn anyway.

We only saw them encountering non ranker islanders, power mongering supervisors and F2 regulars mostly.
They may learn obviously but they are not climbing and they are inferior to Urek, so I expect less than what Urek has on shinsoo control.

 

[Demonspeed]

We only saw them encountering non ranker islanders, power mongering supervisors and F2 regulars mostly.
They may learn obviously but they are not climbing and they are inferior to Urek, so I expect less than what Urek has on shinsoo control.

That's not important in this discussion though. They are far stronger than any Towerborn with the power that they have.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Why would they not be good at Shinsoo? They simply didn't learn it, they have the potential to learn

I think once u learn it, their natural powers gets suppressed. UM stated his powers have been suppressed by shinsu. One difference u would see between UM and shinies is that they don't use shinsu. And that's why neither Mago who used UM's light or Obrion and others who use darkness have stated similar suppression. Makes sense why Obrion despite knowing about shinsu never learned it because he knows a mountain can't have 2 tigers.

 

[arrowofsky]

I think once u learn it, their natural powers gets suppressed. UM stated his powers have been suppressed by shinsu. One difference u would see between UM and shinies is that they don't use shinsu. And that's why neither Mago who used UM's light or Obrion and others who use darkness have stated similar suppression. Makes sense why Obrion despite knowing about shinsu never learned it because he knows a mountain can't have 2 tigers.

Urek could not merge and attack with both otherwise, so I don't think so.
All I think is that even Urek, however genius he was there, did not learn it unsupervised, but was lectured by first Neo then Baskerville's Hound, while Aubrion and Mago were playing the god, and Latour was simping. We also yet to see what happens in shinsoo vs. light direct confrontation. In Mago vs. Eduan both were trying to dodge their attacks, and we only saw Diamond shield against God Mode Eduan, which was a versus of offense and defense, not offense vs. offense.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Urek could not merge and attack with both otherwise, so I don't think so.
All I think is that even Urek, however genius he was there, did not learn it unsupervised, but was lectured by first Neo then Baskerville's Hound, while Aubrion and Mago were playing the god, and Latour was simping. We also yet to see what happens in shinsoo vs. light direct confrontation. In Mago vs. Eduan both were trying to dodge their attacks, and we only saw Diamond shield against God Mode Eduan, which was a versus of offense and defense, not offense vs. offense.

He did merge them and attack. We saw that

Obrion waking up early and never learning shinsu despite knowing about it seals the deal for me. Not just him, even Mago and Latur has not expressed anything regarding learning shinsu. Maybe Obrion warned them not to.

UM didn't have that guide. That's why he learned without knowing the consequences after all he said shinsu is supressing his light but when same light is used by Mago she isn't suppressed at all

 

[undefined]

He did merge them and attack. We saw that

Obrion waking up early and never learning shinsu despite knowing about it seals the deal for me. Not just him, even Mago and Latur has not expressed anything regarding learning shinsu. Maybe Obrion warned them not to.

UM didn't have that guide. That's why he learned without knowing the consequences after all he said shinsu is supressing his light but when same light is used by Mago she isn't suppressed at all

I like this theory, ngl. So maybe when Obrion first entered the Tower, he used shinsu but realized it suppressed his power. He then killed himself and revived himself to reset his physical constitution so that shinsu would no longer suppress his power? Obrion would of had to experience tbe side effects himself in order to warn Mago and Latour.