There is pretty much no copyright attached to most - if not all - card games and everyone is allowed to use them as they see fit since they were invented ages ago and probably changed somewhat over the course of time. At that point you might as well consider Grey's cinderella-esque background plagiarism, and every other anime to be some form of plagiarism because they are based off/inspired by certain things.
Out of the two, Yuno appears on the path closes to becoming the Magic Emperor based on the path mentioned early in the series. Maybe that's the way he felt in the beginning, but we've seen his thoughts outside of his rivalry with Asta, and there's no reason to think his aiming for Magic Emperor is just cause of Asta. After all, it's not as if said position is something unique to aim for. By all accounts, the majority of knights are aiming for that, it's the reason they work to earn stars. So it likely would have been a goal regardless.
Wait, what?!
In other languages the name of the symbol does spin around the 3 leaves or is literally "three leaves" and Tabata may have looked enough into European cultures to learn that(no idea if Japanese adopted the card symbol name from any Western language or has its own), alluding to the clover plant itself, but I agree with everything else.
Any idea which other characters have pages? I imagine Yuno and Noelle have their own, but I'm curious about the Captains, other BB members, other Clover elite, Liebe in and of himself and other recent characters, like the MCs' parents, GS or Spade Triad...Official Black Clover Calendar 2022 June page
The position may not be, but the motivation for each pursuer normally is...and so far I haven't seen Yuno's distinguishing itself from Asta's, nor having a deeper cause to warrant its persistence throughout each twist and turn of fate. Even though he also grew up as a poor, orphan boy among the most disenfranchised class of the population of Clover, having to suffer from the same lack of means as his foster siblings, he'd always had all those powerful gifts warranting him far higher odds in leading a better life than most people there, and now the situation's changed even more. The goal of becoming Clover WK feels noble, generous and heroic, if we think of him as an actual random peasant of Clover with ridiculously strong magic, beautiful looks, high levels of charisma and crazy luck and talent, but if he goes through with giving up his royal position in Spade, even after the symbolism Tabata built for him with the battle in the literal throne room and his retrieving his rightful, royal grimoire and magic affinity, along with declaring that to Zenon in a contrast and comparison between people claiming "responsibility" for the "protection" of Spade's people and the choices they made for that purpose, then him not changing deeply in his perspective of the future will come across as a scam.
Okay, sorry for misunderstanding your stance and thanks for explaining your pov.
Well, the main difference between Asta and Yuno's motivation appear to be Asta's more personal desire to prove himself, alongside their shared desire to protect people. The thing is, it's not really "giving up" if he didn't have it in the first place. Now he could end up claiming said birthright in the end, but outside the blood connection to the deceased royalty, he really has no reason to care about the Spade kingdom. Yeah, Yuno has a general desire to protect people, but aside from Ralph, Yuno doesn't know anyone in Spade. Compare that to Clover, where Yuno has many personal connections and thus a greater reason to want to be in a position to protect them. It doesn't help that Yuno's reasons for wanting to take Zenon down are both Clover based - revenge for those in his squad who died and to save his captain.
Yuno had no original personal desire to protect GD, it started out as his being in a workplace, with people he knew he had to be on minimal civil and polite grounds so that they could do their job well(at least with Will, since he was the leader, he still openly mocked and told off people whose behaviour annoyed him), but, as his flashbacks point out, they made some efforts throughout their fights together and their breaks and they all gradually bonded. And this is in line with what I've said about assuming responsibility. Neither Yuno, nor Asta, nor any MK whose goals are remotely similar to theirs have personal connections with everyone they choose to assert responsibility for. They all project their care starting from 1, 2, 3, people who, to them, are in need of or worthy of that care. Asta and Yuno originally only had reasons to want to protect their foster family, it extended to their Hage community, and then through sheer natural abstract assessment and associations, they figured out the rest of Clover would have other people like those in their community who needed their help in staying safe. Neither Yuno, nor Asta care one bit about that stupid king of theirs and his similar ilk...but they assert, by projection and other thought processes, responsibility for his/their safety as well.
True, Yuno didn't have any loyalty for Golden Dawn til he became apart of it and got to know the members. That could happen with Spade. I think where we differ is while you see Yuno helping out in Spade and thus developing a similar relationship, I can't see why he would help in Spade without said connection. Yuno's nice, but I don't see him going out of his way to help in Spade when he has his own duties in Clover. The belief with Undine is for similar reasons - she's shown nothing but devotion for Loropechka, and her connection with Noelle is based upon their shared relationship with Loropechka. So while the plot could be made to have her join Noelle, we're talking about setting up a situation where her desire to protect Loropechka somehow gets solved, and the Heart Queendom is made self-sufficient. Possible, but would take alot of work.
Yuno's been held back before by his determination to not accept learning experiences in other places than Clover or wHeRE gD hAS MisSioNs, in the same context where he likes to think he grows because he works for it, and that philosophy failed him and, yet, out of sheer luck(yes, I know that's his theme) of being of the Spade Royal lineage he did get simply handed extra magic. Unless he gives it up, somehow, choosing to stick to Wind alone(I so don't see this happening), he will at least have to visit Spade to learn about it. It's Star Magic, not Light(which Patry knows and holds...and even those stooges in the Kyra family do) and so far it's unique to Spade and its royal family. I stand by my belief that he meant what he said, the he wants to cover all those duties he's claimed.
Is it really at maximum level? Cause he's clearly, as is the case for any and every affinity going through a new grimoire, learning as he's going, one moment dreading not having a solution to Zenon's breaking his stars, the next getting a "new star" spell. He's using it semi-blindly, discovering, by instinct, the potentially most useful spells to support his SS VS Zenon. Of course, since it's an affinity strongly specific to the Spade royal family and it has history there, why wouldn't/shouldn't he try and learn what he can from there, so that he stops being what has so far hindered his overall growth, an uppity, arrogant a**hat taking everything for granted and "training" without trying to fully understand something?! Why should he just cut off the people he hails from and his inheritance, especially since the latter is currently saving him( since it's clearly a necessary complement to the Wind Magic), just as he's trying to save the former?! Why would/should he force himself into tunnel vision? When I spoke of him giving up a grimoire and an affinity, Wind made more sense to be left behind, since they're supposed to naturally completely separate from elves(even the EotMS moved to Elysia, only coming out cause some old friends need help) and regardless of where he decides to live(Clover or Spade), but that's obviously not gonna happen since it gives him the highest advantages. I don't see him even giving up Star Magic, since he was born into it, so, he would be even more of an a**hat to renounce a new advantage...but I do still want some disadvantages from having both affinities.
I'm confused, I know Clover's been having a very sensitive political situation for a very long time, but as far as I can remember, grand scale invasions don't happen every other weekend, requiring him to join, that's why that time the Diamond Generals invaded, and the GD and Asta and some of his friends fought at the border, he stayed out. And he is too powerful to join often, he can't "tone down" his magic(that's the level WKs have to be to even earn the position, so most of the time he needs/has to delegate and simply deal with the bureaucracy behind the military affairs, the boring stuff that actually does have him "escape" his duties as part of recurring gags with a frustrated Marx...because that would be his scope, to handle the paperwork behind all the action and make the big decisions, put together the grand scale strategies and delegate the enforcers, be them whole squads, teams of captains or whomever he finds suitable for the task); he doesn't get to explore dungeons or other territories, or regularly go on missions. He left to investigate the EotMS again, on a whim, and against the regulations for his position or duties.
And this moment here is where the build up can and I expect it to start. It's not strange, he's still clinging to his old identity, since he's barely now getting to learn about and figure out his Spade one, which doesn't mean he has to all of a sudden give up on everything from Clover, he did grow back there, has his family and loved ones there, who knows, maybe some of them will move to Spade in the following years or someplace else(people grow, and there are kids who end up moving away from the homes and countries they grew up in, even as they end up missing them dearly)...
The situation wouldn't fit on account of a contradiction, which is not the case here since I've admitted from the beginning that I see Tolkien's universe as a source of inspiration, not the dollar store from which Tabata got his tools, fabrics and patterns. However, there are key points of parallelism between Yuno and Aragorn and I've been minding them precisely.
That's been the case with all magics in the series though, once a new spell is gained, the user instinctively know what it entails. The only training we've seen involved alternative means of using one's magic. And considering he's one of the strongest magic knights, only below the top tier, having trouble against an opponent the series has made clear even the stronger captains would have problems against, I don't think there's a problem with his growth.
We learnt during the award ceremony for the squads that invasions appear to happen quite a bit. It's one of the things that causes issue with the Spade/devil plotline. I don't know why he can't tone down his magic, when we saw when he saved Asta that all his spells weren't massively destructive. And while he does have administrative duties, I don't recall us ever being told he couldn't deal with things personally. The one time I call recall him being told off by Marx was when he was hanging around the city looking for new magics, with that seeming to be the thing that annoyed Marx. We know, that even if he normally isn't involved in combat, he does get involved with large-scale situations.
It could have just as easily been not brought up. If there was a need too show a clinging to his old identity, he could have just reaffirmed his role as vice-captain of Golden Dawn. Sure there was, have him not dismiss Ralph as he did, or have Ralph interact with him again after that in a different way then just confirming Yuno was alive. Heck, why not have Yuno be the one who convinces Ralph and the rebels to assist in Nacht's plan, which would show him having some concern for Spade. Asta has had more interactions with the people of Spade then Yuno has.
It's not a contradiction to think it wouldn't happen due to Tabata's lack of interest in dedicating screentime to Yuno outside of battle. Such development would require several chapters, if not it's own mini-arc, to even give a connection between Yuno and Spade beyond parentage. Unless more plot things are gonna go down in Spade (which I guess could happen with the introduction of a fourth brother), it seems like it would be unlikely for Tabata to keep any focus there when he has other plotlines to deal with.
It is cutting off when someone opens a communication channel and the other party simply refuses to respond. It can even happen right through the 2 parties' introduction. I'm pretty sure he gained the grimoire for the magic inheritance and the awareness of it mattering as he was battling on Sapde soil, in the Spade royal castle, not at the GD HQs where it would've been just as useful and necessary and after already learning about his true origins. And I'm also pretty sure he's gotten it to keep it.
Why would he have to unlearn anything, if he can have access to 2 affinities and 2 grimoires with the elf soul's approval(I've already argued on their continued presence in the reply for ch 310)...and it's sort of hard to see Yuno giving up any form of progress he gets, taking him closer to whatever goal he has.
Quite a bit is not as often as we've seen Julius involved in non-combative events(either friendly visits, skipping work or diplomatic and official public functions which I've also taken into account, I was under the impression I needn't spell that out)
The same argument in the first sentence of this quote from you is what I could make regarding the King of Spade, or how Yuno could reform the position as(in case the position Allen and Zenon used to compete for was any sort of actual parallel for the WK one). Yes, Julius/the WK does get involved with large scale situations, diplomatic, official functions, you know, everything in the job description of the political king as well....and 2 or 3 fights. One off page, 1 of very specific interest to them, where the risk was having to fight Patolli(the same dude who'd almost killed Fuego), and one he wasintentionally tricked/pursued into by the other party.
I've never argued about the opposite, I was only deeming it far more likely that the Spade King's job description and actual activity was more similar and in line with the Heart Queens' than that of lazy a** Kira.
Again, my argument was about how much more disposable Kira and his particular faction were(thus, the anomaly reference), because the royal family in Clover still has 2 main branches with far more legitimacy at taking over, even in a non-coup way, than the Zogratis in Spade. It was even made fairly irelevant whether Kira has any direct descendants, since there are so many royals accounted for as more active and productive in their society(Mimosa was strengthening diplomatic, not military, bonds with Heart as a 13 or 14 year old, IIRC)
Yeah, because they saw how much like the monsters in their memory/tales they were told about he was...him being an excellent target for their rage as the fitting descendant of the cr*psack royal lot involved in the elven massacre doesn't make him an important and valuable to the kingdom per se ruler. You're trying to dodge the point, but it doesn't work like that. The rebels in the Zogratis faction and those in the EotMS both went to assassinate the de facto ruler, but it was for very different reasons and with very different magic means at their disposal. The Zogratis were empowered by 3 high ranking devils, Kira was targeted by the crumbs of the human EotMS who may have been MK rejects much like the Sally, Valtos and Rades trio, only far less talented and skilled., and those crumbs were acting at random in despair over their invasion coming to a failed end. They were only a threat because Kira and Sekke were not only incredibly lame, but had run away like headless chicken somewhere outside the castle.
It's not enough to fully oppose the Kiras whe you also want to avoid causing (more) civil strife, something they didn't need right after this mess with the elves and on top of the issues they were having with Diamond, while expecting trouble with Spade to arise as well and right after what happened to Julius. Julius didn't go for that high handed play not because they had no way of overpowering the Kiras, but because he placed the safety of the people as a whole, as well as that of the MK corps, as well as the opinion of the royal captains who are currently more focused on protecting the weak and vulnerable, over wresting control out of that family. Damnatio and his peers have their weak points too, in magic control, and if the theory on Damnatio being the 4th Z pans out, they will have to take him down as well, anyway. If Damnatio is who the theory says he is, the Kira are officially screwed anyway.
So you mean Yuno had to make a 180 degrees change in personality, at the flip of a coin, just to show you a believable start of change in his interests, goals and objectives? He's been dismissing and dissing out for ages people he's been working closely with, and you expected him to be so much less reluctant in embracing all those shocking things Ralph told him about so that you could believe he can grow to care and want to live in and rule Spade?
Things have already changed a great deal, GD has been reduced to half its force, on top of the elf possession fiasco and we might end up seeing Yuno more if, naturally, all these new conflicts lead to needing to chase after whomever the devils manipulate next, fix Spade and ensure some peaceful relations with it and whatever else follows. I'm pretty sure it's high time Tabata noticed that he can't have Yuno as MC and only show him around every once in a blue moon.
Perhaps, though it seems redundant with the skills he already has. The reason would be taht he's shown no interest in Spade at all at this point. If he didn't care enough when he learnt about his actual parents and history, why would gaining a grimoire change that? On a scale of importance, one would think parentage would be a greater factor then getting a new power. And conflict with the Kira family is ensured regardless, considering their overall actions and belief. Why would Yuno care, when he's shown not caring what others think. It seems out of character that Yuno would run off to Spade just to make the royals happy, and logically questionable - If they consider Yuno a political threat, then he'll be a political threat regardless of where he is, because if they don't trust him as a part of their kingdom, why would they trust him as the leader of an opposing kingdom, one with a history of trying to conquer them?
Well this was in context of your comment about leaving one behind.
Well my point was that based on what we've been shown, that role would still be more proactive then a ruling role.
The different though is that, as previous mentioned, one role is more expendable then the other. The lost of Julius, while terrible, did not throw the whole kingdom into chaos. The same could not be said for the lost of a king. The lost of the Wizard king only affects the military, and even then there are the captains themselves to mitigate said damage. The lost of a king would affect everything.
But that would still be the same... The only reason Loropechka was as active as she was in the current situation was because Vanica/Megicula purposely went after her, and those who were suppose to guard her were taken down/out. Otherwise, she was shown hanging back away from the danger.
But the series shows otherwise, it showed that his life was of considerable importance. And we really don't know what legitimacy they had, though considering they're not in power, it really can't be more then the Kira family. Even more so when you considering the way Noelle and Mimosa reacted to the news of the Kira family being involved in judging Asta.
Two times the king was targeted, first by the elves and then by nobles. It was specifically stated with the elves that they were targeting the king because "taking the other's king meant victory". So it wasn't just because they hated the royalty. And the nobility only dressed up like the Midnight Suns to throw off any blame. But in all these examples, the kings were targeted in order for a takeover to occur. And how did Julius have the higher ground? All he could do was lessen Asta's punishment to exile instead of death... They still had to go along with Damnatio's plot to put all the blame on Asta. That also seem like a hail mary play, since Julius wasn't sure they could prevent Asta from being executed.
What strife would be caused by placing blame on an outside force? Causing an entire squad to leave wasn't exactly the best means to protect the kingdom. And Julius himself stated his influence was weaken, which would be a strange thing to say if he was in such a strong political position. Just the same as Mimosa and Noelle showing worry for Asta if their families had such power.
I don't know how that would be a change in personality for him to show some interest in new information. Sure, he's been dismissive of people, but those people are usually rude him. Meanwhile, when it's something he's interested in, he been more then happy to ask questions and get more information, such as when he first meant Julius. And why shouldn't I want to see said changes? Without evidence, I don't see why I should think he's changed, when even in the most recent chapter, there continues to be a focus on his connection to Asta and Clover.
Considering the quickness of his fight here, that doesn't seem to be the lesson learnt. Golden Dawn being reduced to half would be a big deal if we ever saw more of them then a handful of times, and considering we had interaction with the elves this arc and the citizens of Spade without Yuno even coming up, my faith in that isn't very high.
