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Final Rave vs. Haikyu!!
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New campaign still on the making, coming soon
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I really went all out in this war, so no regrets whatever happens.
I told you everything that you need to know about Rave, i showed you everything that you need to see in Rave.
But ill post a little something for the end, probably tomorrow when i get the time
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Part I. Introduction
Part II. Character writting
~Interlude~
Part III. The art and symbolisms
Part IV
What the series says
"Talent is something you make bloom,
instinct is something you polish"
(Tooru Oikawa)
While of course there are flaws in the series, they are too far in between all the intense awesomeness that occur throughout the show.
I believe that anyone can find something in this series that will pique their interest, because Haikyuu just excels at being a fun show with plenty of things
done right and throws it all in a blender to mix into a drinkable form for everyone to enjoy. It's a series that manages to be serious and realistic, but never failing for being of the typical shonen genere.
The series has heart. You can sense how the characters are really into the sport they love and how important every single match is to them.
This is one of the morals developed in the manga: if you are passionate about something, give it your best shot, and you’ll have no regrets, regardless of the result.
This is something I have been repeating in previous campaigns, but I consider it very important, it's that Haikyuu has also this special thing about itself that sets apart and forms a big gap among other series:
Its a rarity for a shonen and/or sport series to concentrate on the extra characters or those characters who are created merely to make the protagonists shine even more brightly.
They even have a long part of expressing their regrets and their thoughts about losing, which makes the readers easly emotional because Furudate makes all type of situations anyone has liven or can.
This is what makes HQ! so important: it's a series that never stops the hype, or entertaining the reader regardless if you know or care about volleyball, or maybe sports in general. Furudate's writing is something based mostly on keeping the intensity of the characters and the matches in any chapter; what all the characters have in common (players, managers, family members, any of them) is the constant passion of the writtig they have.
Character development is part of it, as this series does a great job in providing change for the characters.
This makes those characters a lot more relatable and, thus, likeable. The characters who do change still retain some of their old habits, but the overall change is still noticeable, which is a brilliant touch, as it adds a bit of a quirk to them.
That is what transcends truly, a sport that achieves being or not the athlete that we are all part of the successes or defeats of the team.
Nothing is free in sport and life in general, everything is achieved with effort and mentality of self-improvement, everything begins with an individual who generates a team with the fight; fights and plays but especially they aspire and have different goals in life changing while they develop and grow up.
Please vote Haikyuu!
Part II. Character writting
~Interlude~
Part III. The art and symbolisms
Part IV
What the series says
"Talent is something you make bloom,
instinct is something you polish"
(Tooru Oikawa)
While of course there are flaws in the series, they are too far in between all the intense awesomeness that occur throughout the show.
I believe that anyone can find something in this series that will pique their interest, because Haikyuu just excels at being a fun show with plenty of things
done right and throws it all in a blender to mix into a drinkable form for everyone to enjoy. It's a series that manages to be serious and realistic, but never failing for being of the typical shonen genere.
The series has heart. You can sense how the characters are really into the sport they love and how important every single match is to them.
This is one of the morals developed in the manga: if you are passionate about something, give it your best shot, and you’ll have no regrets, regardless of the result.
This is something I have been repeating in previous campaigns, but I consider it very important, it's that Haikyuu has also this special thing about itself that sets apart and forms a big gap among other series:
Its a rarity for a shonen and/or sport series to concentrate on the extra characters or those characters who are created merely to make the protagonists shine even more brightly.
They even have a long part of expressing their regrets and their thoughts about losing, which makes the readers easly emotional because Furudate makes all type of situations anyone has liven or can.
This is what makes HQ! so important: it's a series that never stops the hype, or entertaining the reader regardless if you know or care about volleyball, or maybe sports in general. Furudate's writing is something based mostly on keeping the intensity of the characters and the matches in any chapter; what all the characters have in common (players, managers, family members, any of them) is the constant passion of the writtig they have.
Character development is part of it, as this series does a great job in providing change for the characters.
This makes those characters a lot more relatable and, thus, likeable. The characters who do change still retain some of their old habits, but the overall change is still noticeable, which is a brilliant touch, as it adds a bit of a quirk to them.
That is what transcends truly, a sport that achieves being or not the athlete that we are all part of the successes or defeats of the team.
Nothing is free in sport and life in general, everything is achieved with effort and mentality of self-improvement, everything begins with an individual who generates a team with the fight; fights and plays but especially they aspire and have different goals in life changing while they develop and grow up.
Please vote Haikyuu!
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If I may, Revo, I'd love to echo your final Haikyuu!! campaign on what what the series says. Haikyuu!! deserves this win!
MAJOR SPOILERS FOR NATIONALS AND THE ENDING!
A major theme of Haikyuu!! is:
"What will you become tomorrow?"
Based on what's been adapted in the anime, people wouldn't be wrong to think that Haikyuu!! is a sports manga that excels because it understands the conventions of its genre - it delivers what we want, with tropes we are familiar with, while still being well-written in doing so. But with the end of the Nationals and the final timeskip the series goes in a direction that cements its maturity by exceeding our exceptions by doing the following things:
1. At Nationals, Karasuno loses
2. Not only that, but every single team we've followed in the series until that point also loses
3. Ichibayashi High, a school we never heard of before or ever saw after, wins
We never even get to meet the team that won the Nationals tournament. Why? Because they had no significance to the story. Haikyuu!! was instead about all those other schools who fought for that title, and lost. In an alternate universe Haikyuu!! could have been the story about Ichibayashi being the best at high school volleyball for that one year, and Karasuno never would have appeared.
But since the series was instead about those who fought and lost, it asked them what they would take from that - what would they become?
And the final arc revisited that:
In its final arc Haikyuu!! continued its mature approach, showing that majority of the volleyball players we saw from all the teams across the series stopped played after high school and went on to do different things with their lives, so much so that whenever a character was re-introduced we didn't just see their face but also got to see what their career was, or even got a glimpse of them away from them away from the court:
Haikyuu!! isn't just about volleyball as a sport; it's about how it positively affected those who played it - even if it was just for a few years when they were teenagers - and how they created lasting bonds because of it. Haikyuu!! continued the trend of not showing the victors of those important matches until its final chapter. We'll never know if Japan won that destined Olympics match in 2021, but that doesn't matter because that's just one game of many that Hinata and Kageyama will keep on playing long after the manga's final page.
"What will you become tomorrow?"
Based on what's been adapted in the anime, people wouldn't be wrong to think that Haikyuu!! is a sports manga that excels because it understands the conventions of its genre - it delivers what we want, with tropes we are familiar with, while still being well-written in doing so. But with the end of the Nationals and the final timeskip the series goes in a direction that cements its maturity by exceeding our exceptions by doing the following things:
1. At Nationals, Karasuno loses
2. Not only that, but every single team we've followed in the series until that point also loses
3. Ichibayashi High, a school we never heard of before or ever saw after, wins
We never even get to meet the team that won the Nationals tournament. Why? Because they had no significance to the story. Haikyuu!! was instead about all those other schools who fought for that title, and lost. In an alternate universe Haikyuu!! could have been the story about Ichibayashi being the best at high school volleyball for that one year, and Karasuno never would have appeared.
But since the series was instead about those who fought and lost, it asked them what they would take from that - what would they become?
And the final arc revisited that:
In its final arc Haikyuu!! continued its mature approach, showing that majority of the volleyball players we saw from all the teams across the series stopped played after high school and went on to do different things with their lives, so much so that whenever a character was re-introduced we didn't just see their face but also got to see what their career was, or even got a glimpse of them away from them away from the court:
Haikyuu!! isn't just about volleyball as a sport; it's about how it positively affected those who played it - even if it was just for a few years when they were teenagers - and how they created lasting bonds because of it. Haikyuu!! continued the trend of not showing the victors of those important matches until its final chapter. We'll never know if Japan won that destined Olympics match in 2021, but that doesn't matter because that's just one game of many that Hinata and Kageyama will keep on playing long after the manga's final page.
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Yeah i really cant argue with Haikyuu's awesomeness. Its probably the best sports series ive seen thus far, and ive seen quite a few of them. Its also quite realistic, or as realistic as one can make it in manga form. Ive played volleyball in highschool, so this manga was kinda nostalgic. The final arc was also very decent, which is kinda rare in shonen, kinda. Though i might have enjoyed the final arc even more so if it had not been for that timeskip. I never truly understood why sports authors do this sometimes and pass on great opportunities to explore another year, potential new characters, new developments etc. Maybe they fear repetitions, but despite watching two Aoba Josai matches i would watch another two in a heart beat. That chapter when you see the second and third year flashes, and then the third year photo, it kinda broke me inside, but i pressed on. I really really really really would have loved to see the third year.
In comparison to Haikyuu which explores real life and the hurdles and walls we all face, Rave is of course a fantasy so they really dont have much in common and they cant be really compared. Its hard to see how a real life person would behave in a fantasy, or how all characters would act for that matter, we can only imagine, which is the point of fantasy. We sometimes escape from the real world to explore a fantastical world full of wonder and magic, imagine ourselves in a world like this, imagine how we would behave, trying to identify with a character in that world etc.
Now onto my final Rave post and wrap it up for this year ...
This is it from me i hope
(maybe ill find something to add later, who knows)
Overall ive put my everything into this Manga Wars
so win or lose i have no regrets.
In comparison to Haikyuu which explores real life and the hurdles and walls we all face, Rave is of course a fantasy so they really dont have much in common and they cant be really compared. Its hard to see how a real life person would behave in a fantasy, or how all characters would act for that matter, we can only imagine, which is the point of fantasy. We sometimes escape from the real world to explore a fantastical world full of wonder and magic, imagine ourselves in a world like this, imagine how we would behave, trying to identify with a character in that world etc.
Now onto my final Rave post and wrap it up for this year ...
This is it from me
i hope(maybe ill find something to add later, who knows)
Overall ive put my everything into this Manga Wars
so win or lose i have no regrets.
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«Regardless if we win or lose,
no one really dies, or respawns.
The dark side never prospers, nor does the world end.
We don't travel across a grand world, all we do is stand within the four corners of a mere 9 x 18 metre rectangle,
and give everything we've got to prevent a ball from hitting the floor.
But thank you, for getting me into volleyball» (Chap. 324)
I. Introduction
II. The writting of characters
~Interlude~
III. The matches and symbolisms
IV. What the series has to say
Part V:
Why it's a good shonen
Haikyuu is a true manga about efforts, about a journey and character development. It doesn't need tragedies or epic battles about saving the world to be a manga of epicness and emotional ride. The character don't need to be tragic, villian-like or heroes, like I said in previous campaign, the cast is extense but full of realistic people that still have their own fun and original personalities; the most important aspect of HQ! are the dynamic of relationship and the matches.
Yes, it has clichés, and it has flaws, like any other manga/anime of course has, but what many mangas do, Haikyuu does it right; it doesn't need to be an epic, fantastic tale to be as awesome as it is.
So why is it a good shonen series? It stays in some of the clichés there are always around, but the Furudate manages to use them and the common world-building right; the matches feel like a true battle, the characters manage to transmit feelings to you in their winning and loses in a series where tragedy or death doesn't exist; the art is incredible and the dynamic between the cast variates in various forms.
The cast is incredible extense, but you get to look at all the characters: their motives, their abilities, their qualities, their defining strengths and weaknesses, and how they interact with other members of the team.
HQ! is a series that does the realtionships well, it doesn't get into your typical MC that shines alone all the time, a journey for him alone.
It's not perfect, but it transmits exactly what Furudate wants in their work: it transmits what a team is like, what it represents and
as it should be, not only limited to sport but even more transcending to life.
The teammate of the protagonists is represented by crows; the crows perfectly symbolize what a garbage-based team is in the
sense of variety of people and even scraps of the same sport and competition: self-centered and selfish people, stars
low confidence, leading older players but also targets of criticism, bad reputation in front of the rest of the people, lack of confidence, all points
negative against the rest of rivals that are the opposite of them strong in their path of success that crush, defeat and humiliate players of national stature and even pick, fast, weird, normal, strong, and even dominant playstyles are the accurate way to describe your competition.
I have been talking about everything: from the writting, to the characters and even the art style. In the end, even with all flaws Haikyuu! has (like any series), it still manages to be one of the best written shonen that has recently finished.
The magic of the series doesn't consist of its plot, but more from the very simple fact some teenagers or young adult athletes who fight for various reasons or aspirations, whether to improve, because their club, for personal or mysterious reasons, because it is their last chance to win something or for the simple wanting of winning.
Overall, Haikyuu is a emotional ride of tears, laughter, and frustration that you can feel from the characters, whether main characters, secondaries or even the extra-minor characters.
A series where you can learn a lot and reflect a lot about your life, but that also sitll keeps you entretained and gives you a good read; Furudate is an author who is faithful to it's own characters and plot, never betraying or making plot holes, it stays true to their way and style of writing.
You don't need to be into sports to get into the plot, and even to get a connection with the real-life events happening in the growing of the series.
Haikyuu isn't an epic fantasy battle, or has a great original world-building, or power levels, but it's still a masterpiece in it's own way.
Please, even if you don't vote for it, give it a try someday; I promise it's an epic reading and will give you the feelings that any other battle-shonen/manga in general can give you. You will get into characters, the art and even the matches; as someone who doesn't really care for sports in general, this manga has given a great impression.
Hope you read it someday!
no one really dies, or respawns.
The dark side never prospers, nor does the world end.
We don't travel across a grand world, all we do is stand within the four corners of a mere 9 x 18 metre rectangle,
and give everything we've got to prevent a ball from hitting the floor.
But thank you, for getting me into volleyball» (Chap. 324)
I. Introduction
II. The writting of characters
~Interlude~
III. The matches and symbolisms
IV. What the series has to say
Part V:
Why it's a good shonen
Haikyuu is a true manga about efforts, about a journey and character development. It doesn't need tragedies or epic battles about saving the world to be a manga of epicness and emotional ride. The character don't need to be tragic, villian-like or heroes, like I said in previous campaign, the cast is extense but full of realistic people that still have their own fun and original personalities; the most important aspect of HQ! are the dynamic of relationship and the matches.
Yes, it has clichés, and it has flaws, like any other manga/anime of course has, but what many mangas do, Haikyuu does it right; it doesn't need to be an epic, fantastic tale to be as awesome as it is.
So why is it a good shonen series? It stays in some of the clichés there are always around, but the Furudate manages to use them and the common world-building right; the matches feel like a true battle, the characters manage to transmit feelings to you in their winning and loses in a series where tragedy or death doesn't exist; the art is incredible and the dynamic between the cast variates in various forms.
The cast is incredible extense, but you get to look at all the characters: their motives, their abilities, their qualities, their defining strengths and weaknesses, and how they interact with other members of the team.
HQ! is a series that does the realtionships well, it doesn't get into your typical MC that shines alone all the time, a journey for him alone.
It's not perfect, but it transmits exactly what Furudate wants in their work: it transmits what a team is like, what it represents and
as it should be, not only limited to sport but even more transcending to life.
The teammate of the protagonists is represented by crows; the crows perfectly symbolize what a garbage-based team is in the
sense of variety of people and even scraps of the same sport and competition: self-centered and selfish people, stars
low confidence, leading older players but also targets of criticism, bad reputation in front of the rest of the people, lack of confidence, all points
negative against the rest of rivals that are the opposite of them strong in their path of success that crush, defeat and humiliate players of national stature and even pick, fast, weird, normal, strong, and even dominant playstyles are the accurate way to describe your competition.
I have been talking about everything: from the writting, to the characters and even the art style. In the end, even with all flaws Haikyuu! has (like any series), it still manages to be one of the best written shonen that has recently finished.
The magic of the series doesn't consist of its plot, but more from the very simple fact some teenagers or young adult athletes who fight for various reasons or aspirations, whether to improve, because their club, for personal or mysterious reasons, because it is their last chance to win something or for the simple wanting of winning.
Overall, Haikyuu is a emotional ride of tears, laughter, and frustration that you can feel from the characters, whether main characters, secondaries or even the extra-minor characters.
A series where you can learn a lot and reflect a lot about your life, but that also sitll keeps you entretained and gives you a good read; Furudate is an author who is faithful to it's own characters and plot, never betraying or making plot holes, it stays true to their way and style of writing.
You don't need to be into sports to get into the plot, and even to get a connection with the real-life events happening in the growing of the series.
Haikyuu isn't an epic fantasy battle, or has a great original world-building, or power levels, but it's still a masterpiece in it's own way.
Please, even if you don't vote for it, give it a try someday; I promise it's an epic reading and will give you the feelings that any other battle-shonen/manga in general can give you. You will get into characters, the art and even the matches; as someone who doesn't really care for sports in general, this manga has given a great impression.
Hope you read it someday!
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Yeah I really dont have much else to say, I could talk about character development and progression which is quite good in Rave, but oh well. The only thing left is to try and sway you with photoshopping and aesthetics 
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Great campaigns all round! My vote however belongs to Rave Master 
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