Doubles Round 1 Block D - Oshitari/Oshitari vs Nakagauchi/Yagyuu

[Kaoz]

Doubles
Round 1 Block D​

Name	Oshitari Kenya
Grade	Middle School 3rd Year
Birthday	October 15th
Height	178 cm
Weight	64 kg
Handedness	Right
Playstyle	Counter Puncher

Name	Oshitari Yuushi
Grade	Middle School 3rd Year
Birthday	March 17th
Height	177 cm
Weight	63 kg
Handedness	Right
Playstyle	All Rounder

VERSUS​

Name	Yagyuu Hiroshi
Grade	Middle School 3rd Year
Birthday	October 19th
Height	177 cm
Weight	68 kg
Handedness	Right
Playstyle	Serve and Volley

Name	Nakagauchi Sotomichi
Grade	High School 3rd Year
Birthday	July 14th
Height	187 cm
Weight	78 kg
Handedness	Right
Playstyle	Aggressive Baseliner

Serve order: Nakagauchi -> Kenya -> Yagyuu -> Yuushi


This round ends on Sunday, August 11th, at 8 PM GMT.

Have fun discussing.

 

[Kaoz]

Since it seems like nobody wants to make the first argument in this match, I will begin.
I see the Oshitaris winning this match; their opponents' main weapons are control shots, but with a combination of proper positioning and Kenya's speed, those kind of shots should be less effective than normal. On the other hand, Yuushi has a great variety of attacks. On top of that, the cousins should have the better combination play of the two pairs due to being related and knowing each other for a long time.

 

[Ninomiya]

I dunno,
Remember how Nakagauchi can send various shots to the corner effortlessly, causing Kenya and Yushi to run around for a game or two.
Yushi/Kenya is going to be like just a perfect pair at the MS level.

Curving Laser + Laser combo is extremely deadly though. Just like how nobody could hit back the Gyro combo from Kaidoh, its a really big problem.
Also, Yagyuu can see through Niou's tricks, so he should be able to cope with Yushi's trickery too perhaps.

It all comes down to combination play eventually since Yagyuu/Nakagauchi are actually just better individual players than Yushi and Kenya.

I give this to Nakagauchi/Yagyuu pair.

Is this best of 3 sets? Or Best of 1?

 

[-Ken-]

With Kenya on the team, i don't think there'll be any problem with Nakagauchi control shot. The main problem for the Oshitari team here is Yagyuu laser combo, which I do think the Oshitari will be able to return it given enough time. I probably argue Kenya vs Yagyuu enough in the tier list thread before, so I don't want to go over that again here.

 

[Kaoz]

Curving Laser + Laser combo is extremely deadly though. Just like how nobody could hit back the Gyro combo from Kaidoh, its a really big problem.

No, I disagree that it's quite as problematic here. I believe some time ago, we determined that the Laser's curve didn't change until it was already deeper in the opponent's court, and since this is doubles, you can utilize formations to minimize its threat.

It's not useless of course, but not on the same level of usefulness as it is in singles.

Also, Yagyuu can see through Niou's tricks, so he should be able to cope with Yushi's trickery too perhaps.

Yuushi can seal his heart, so I don't think Yagyuu will be able to read his state of mind. Consequently, seeing through all of Yuushi's shots should be extremely difficult.

Is this best of 3 sets? Or Best of 1?

Best of 1.

 

[LetalHawk]

Nakagauchi's accurate shots are useless due to Kenya's speed, so outside of that Nakagauchi isn't really a problem (cord balls are also useless against Kenya due to his speed). Yuushi has a lot of special shots and due to sealing his heart it's hard to predict and see through them.

I see Kenya and Yuushi minimizing Yagyuu's Curved Laser with correct positioning and formation, that will minimize his effect and eventually they'll be able to return it. Nakagauchi's shots are ineffective due to Kenya's speed. Oshitari will seal his heart and Yagyuu will have problems seeing through Yuushi's techniques.

I see the Oshitari's winning this match.

 

[Ninomiya]

Yuushi can seal his heart, so I don't think Yagyuu will be able to read his state of mind. Consequently, seeing through all of Yuushi's shots should be extremely difficult.

This is Yagyuu however. Yagyuu isn't just anyone when it times to mindf*cking his opponents.
Trolling the Nagoya foreigners, GP, his own best friend, he's clearly a dangerous guy with these things and shouldn't be understimated.

No, I disagree that it's quite as problematic here. I believe some time ago, we determined that the Laser's curve didn't change until it was already deeper in the opponent's court, and since this is doubles, you can utilize formations to minimize its threat.

Ken didn't even determine it actually. The two pages actually contrasted each other greatly.

Spoiler

One page shows that to be the case, while the next page shows a different situation.

Spoiler

Not trying to be difficult here but these two pages show completely different situations. The first page shows Laser beam only one step away from the baseline.

The other shot shows something different.
Which strongly hints towards Yagyuu being able to manipulate the Curve in the Curving Laser to how he sees the situation.
He knew Niou was going to run there so hit it so that it caught Niou off-guard right at the last second.

 

[Kaoz]

By determine I mean that, to my recollection, it is the conclusion all of us agreed on back then, not that it was 100% evident from the pages. Also, your argument would make sense if those were two different shots, but since it's the same, it can only be one or the other (the Laser either curves early or late, it cannot do both in the same shot).

 

[Hardy]

No, I disagree that it's quite as problematic here. I believe some time ago, we determined that the Laser's curve didn't change until it was already deeper in the opponent's court, and since this is doubles, you can utilize formations to minimize its threat.

Talking about formations, Laser alone raped the Golden Pair back in Kanto. And, even if Kikumaru isn't as fast as Kenya, he's still really fast and it wasn't enough at all (+motion vision and his acrobatics).

Nakagauchi's accurate shots are useless due to Kenya's speed, so outside of that Nakagauchi isn't really a problem (cord balls are also useless against Kenya due to his speed).

You think that Kenya will last an entire match running The Robot's shots? The guy would force Kenya to run until he faints, and if its an endurance battle Nakagauchi won't lose.

On the other hand, Yuushi has a great variety of attacks. On top of that, the cousins should have the better combination play of the two pairs due to being related and knowing each other for a long time.

I don't agree. The fact that they are related has nothing to do with them having a nice combo. Momo is Ryoma's best friend (or something like that) and they are surely a terrible pair.

 

[Kaoz]

They had known each other for like a month back then and Ryoma didn't know anything about doubles. I don't see how those cases are comparable at all.

 

[Hardy]

They had known each other for like a month back then and Ryoma didn't know anything about doubles. I don't see how those cases are comparable at all.

...true

Still,I dunno how them being related means anything (actually, every time we see them interact, they are arguing).

Also, I like to think that Yagyuu and Nakagauchi have a better doubles experience than the Oshitaris, but I might be wrong though.

 

[Kaoz]

It is said in the third pair puri that they seem to get along very well despite all their arguing.

 

[Hardy]

...ok they love each other, I get it.