Match Weekly Match-up thread (Mares vs QP)

[Hardy]

ROUND IS OVER

Spoiler: Winners

Yukimura Seiichi / Tokugawa Kazuya

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With D2 in Japan vs Spain done, let's move onto the 30th round!:

Mares performed admirably against Kintarou's evolved TnK. How would he fair against QP's God Aura?

Picture	Mares Hardy Tuesday at 2:09 AM	QP Hardy Oct 16, 2023
Name	Mares de Colón	QP
Title	Sniper	Quality of Perfect
Rank	Spain Representative (HSer Year 3)	Germany Representative (HSer Year 2)
Height	-	177cm
Weight	-	63kg
Dominant Hand	Right	Left
Playstyle	-	All Rounder
Stat Total	-	-
Speed	-	-
Power	-	-
Stamina	-	-
Mental	-	-
Technique	-	-
Techniques / Styles	Sniper Real Sniper Francotirador White Flame	Ultimate Quality Aura

QP's 23.5 profile

Poll will be up on Wednesday.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Are we factoring Tanegashima/Akaya wil be able to create howling if they did not play Singles in First Two sets?

If not, since we have no idea what the hell their howling will be.

I think Niou/Duke can pull off an upset in this one.

Individually,

Tane > Duke

and

Akaya > Niou

But in doubles, Nious Illusion and Versatility is key.

We underestimated Berties adjusting ability.

Do we think Tane/Akaya can adjust to strong players Illusion of Byo, Camus, Noah, and such? (Zeus is already countered)

Duke/Niou have howling too.

However, Tane Illusion and Akaya Devil Mode will be a ky factor

 

[-Ken-]

Duke/Niou did beat #1 pair in WC so them winning here wouldn't been an upset. I would be surprised if they didn't win actually.

 

[Ganonslayer101]

Tane should be able to Void any offensive techniques from a 60% copy Niou (actually I think it's less than that for Byoudin right?). And he already can counter Zeus. Camus is his trump card here. Though I also think his copy of Tezuka can remain a threat against Akaya.

Akaya probably falls for most trick play. He has high concentration but I imagine Niou being his teammate can fool him.

If we assume that Tane can draw vs Kijin Oni depending on how you interpret that interaction. Then that means he can handle a 10 in power.

Akaya also lacks the stamina drain in Blue-Eyes which puts him on par with TnK users. Ultimate Void and Reciprocal Void are both nuts also. The only counter I see the pair having is Duke's power shots only because it forces Tane to return.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Tane should be able to Void any offensive techniques from a 60% copy Niou (actually I think it's less than that for Byoudin right?). And he already can counter Zeus. Camus is his trump card here. Though I also think his copy of Tezuka can remain a threat against Akaya.

Akaya probably falls for most trick play. He has high concentration but I imagine Niou being his teammate can fool him.

If we assume that Tane can draw vs Kijin Oni depending on how you interpret that interaction. Then that means he can handle a 10 in power.

Akaya also lacks the stamina drain in Blue-Eyes which puts him on par with TnK users. Ultimate Void and Reciprocal Void are both nuts also. The only counter I see the pair having is Duke's power shots only because it forces Tane to return.

Tanegashima is a key factor here.

Yes, Zeus, Bismarck and Kintarou was able to deal with his void techniques.

But only because they have high perceptions.

Duke doesnt have high perception

Though Niou can maybe copy Bismarck.

But Tane's Invisibility is a big factor here.

 

[Hardy]

I'm not quite sure who wins this one. If Duke/Niou fight head on (even with <50% Byoudouin) I reckon they'll be defeated since Void+Mu should not only score with ease but also cover for Kirihara and avoid Duke's one-shot kills. At the same time, Kirihara himself can blitz and score from any opportunity that is presented thanks to Blue Eyes Mode.

Speaking of kills, Beheading shouldn't be a factor unless Niou plays like a total idiot.

Duke/Camus with their Howling are a different beast, though. Bertie needed Satellite Perspective to fight against that move, I don't think Tanegashima-Kirihara really stand a chance there. Tanegashima could bait blind spots with Ultimate and Reciprocal Void but they'll be always be the ones on the back foot.

You'd think that maybe Tanegashima-Kirihara could win in a war of attrition since 10.5 says that Niou's Illusions consume his Stamina faster (which is just a 3), but against Germany Niou not only went through 3 sets with it but he also seemingly played normally the next day (whereas Kirihara couldn't). Even if the second set was a quick 6-0, this proves that he either greatly improved his Stamina or that his Evolved Illusion not only allows him to turn into HSers but also removes that (big) downside.

Akaya probably falls for most trick play. He has high concentration but I imagine Niou being his teammate can fool him.

If we assume that Tane can draw vs Kijin Oni depending on how you interpret that interaction. Then that means he can handle a 10 in power.

Akaya also lacks the stamina drain in Blue-Eyes which puts him on par with TnK users. Ultimate Void and Reciprocal Void are both nuts also. The only counter I see the pair having is Duke's power shots only because it forces Tane to return.

If Kirihara was playing alone, maybe, but he has Tanegashima next to him who kept him in check when it mattered the most.

My interpretation is that Tanegashima can return 10 in Power but only when he can plan for it and position himself properly (so, likely when he's serving). If he could easily handle it then there's no reason for him to tie. Oni was somehow consistently winning points when serving (or receiving) and so did Tanegashima. In doubles there's many other variables and you can attack the other player so this logic doesn't directly apply here.

You didn't mention Void Before Birth, but I listed the Niou Homerun because I can see Duke launching Niou to counter that move. If they are somewhat close to each other that is.

Creation is crazy good, I don't think they need to rely on Duke's Power.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

I'm not quite sure who wins this one. If Duke/Niou fight head on (even with <50% Byoudouin) I reckon they'll be defeated since Void+Mu should not only score with ease but also cover for Kirihara and avoid Duke's one-shot kills. At the same time, Kirihara himself can blitz and score from any opportunity that is presented thanks to Blue Eyes Mode.

Speaking of kills, Beheading shouldn't be a factor unless Niou plays like a total idiot.

Duke/Camus with their Howling are a different beast, though. Bertie needed Satellite Perspective to fight against that move, I don't think Tanegashima-Kirihara really stand a chance there. Tanegashima could bait blind spots with Ultimate and Reciprocal Void but they'll be always be the ones on the back foot.

You'd think that maybe Tanegashima-Kirihara could win in a war of attrition since 10.5 says that Niou's Illusions consume his Stamina faster (which is just a 3), but against Germany Niou not only went through 3 sets with it but he also seemingly played normally the next day (whereas Kirihara couldn't). Even if the second set was a quick 6-0, this proves that he either greatly improved his Stamina or that his Evolved Illusion not only allows him to turn into HSers but also removes that (big) downside.



If Kirihara was playing alone, maybe, but he has Tanegashima next to him who kept him in check when it mattered the most.

My interpretation is that Tanegashima can return 10 in Power but only when he can plan for it and position himself properly (so, likely when he's serving). If he could easily handle it then there's no reason for him to tie. Oni was somehow consistently winning points when serving (or receiving) and so did Tanegashima. In doubles there's many other variables and you can attack the other player so this logic doesn't directly apply here.

You didn't mention Void Before Birth, but I listed the Niou Homerun because I can see Duke launching Niou to counter that move. If they are somewhat close to each other that is.

Creation is crazy good, I don't think they need to rely on Duke's Power.

I am wondering which Character Niou should copy in this matchup.

Zeus is already countered by Tanegashima.

Tezuka, we all agreed Tanegashima counters his abilities.

So, the best would probably Byoudouin, Noah and Camus.

Unless Niou will give a trick and Copy Tanegashima himself, or Oni.

But yeah.

NiouCamus Copy is a key factor here since he can do Howling with Duke.

I also wonder if Duke can activate Kijijn while using Creation Howling with Camus.

 

[Hardy]

NiouCamus Copy is a key factor here since he can do Howling with Duke.

I also wonder if Duke can activate Kijijn while using Creation Howling with Camus.

Duke needs to... break the ball in order to trigger Creation. Maybe with a 10 in Strength the ball would explode on his racket if he did that and the move would be less effective lol.

Something I didn't address is that they both need to hit the ball at the same time for the Howling to trigger which is a massive drawback, and I have no idea how it took so long for Bertie to plan against that.

 

[-Ken-]

You'd think that maybe Tanegashima-Kirihara could win in a war of attrition since 10.5 says that Niou's Illusions consume his Stamina faster (which is just a 3), but against Germany Niou not only went through 3 sets with it but he also seemingly played normally the next day (whereas Kirihara couldn't). Even if the second set was a quick 6-0, this proves that he either greatly improved his Stamina or that his Evolved Illusion not only allows him to turn into HSers but also removes that (big) downside.

Now that I think of it, what are the chances that Niou didn't actually "refuse" to use his illusion but he actually "couldn't" use the illusion against Duke. He is a trickster after all.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Now that I think of it, what are the chances that Niou didn't actually "refuse" to use his illusion but he actually "couldn't" use the illusion against Duke. He is a trickster after all.

Why cant he?

What is Duke's ability that is preventing him to do so?

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Duke needs to... break the ball in order to trigger Creation. Maybe with a 10 in Strength the ball would explode on his racket if he did that and the move would be less effective lol.

Something I didn't address is that they both need to hit the ball at the same time for the Howling to trigger which is a massive drawback, and I have no idea how it took so long for Bertie to plan against that.

Yeah.

Bertie known for his extremely skills of adjusting cannot figure it out by himself.

He needed Satelite Perspective to battle against it.

And even with that, it needed to be in 5-5 tiebreak before Bertie Claiming He figured out the strategy. (We didnt even saw it cause Niou change himself to literally himself)

Giving Bertie the benefit of the doubt, he still needed like 10 Points to be able to analyzed Creation. (and that is with help of Satelite Perspective)

Is that Creation really that strong?

Duke breaks the ball to nothingness. And then Camus recreates it.

Isnt is almost the same as Ultimate Void??? Or Void before Birth? Which is ironically used by Tanegashima. Lol

 

[Hardy]

Why cant he?

What is Duke's ability that is preventing him to do so?

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Yeah.

Bertie known for his extremely skills of adjusting cannot figure it out by himself.

He needed Satelite Perspective to battle against it.

And even with that, it needed to be in 5-5 tiebreak before Bertie Claiming He figured out the strategy. (We didnt even saw it cause Niou change himself to literally himself)

Giving Bertie the benefit of the doubt, he still needed like 10 Points to be able to analyzed Creation. (and that is with help of Satelite Perspective)

Is that Creation really that strong?

Duke breaks the ball to nothingness. And then Camus recreates it.

Isnt is almost the same as Ultimate Void??? Or Void before Birth? Which is ironically used by Tanegashima. Lol

He means that Niou couldn't use it because he was too tired from the day before.

Since we got flashbacks of Niou telling Yagyuu (the one that can read him the best) that he wanted to stop using Illusions, it's really unlikely (plus it's also canon in Game of Future, for whatever that is worth).

Neither of those moves attack blind spots. The one that does it is the regular Void, but the big difference here is that Creation makes up new blindspots.

For example, usually you cannot hit towards the net player since he'll just return with a volley. With Creation, you hit the ball towards the player in the back instead and then the ball magically appears behind the net player right on the corner of the court.

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Poll is up!

Something I didn't address is that they both need to hit the ball at the same time for the Howling to trigger which is a massive drawback, and I have no idea how it took so long for Bertie to plan against that.

I was going to vote for Duke-Niou but this is making me second guess. Dankmar-Bertie were indeed scoring every time they served so I guess you can try to avoid them spamming Creation if you have the initiative.

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Gonna go with Duke-Niou but I think either winner is fair here.

Bertie-Dankmar won in straight sets against Volk-Tezuka that should be, in turn, better than Tanegashima and Akaya.

Comparing everything is rather complicated since Creation did win a lot of games against them and yet, at the end of the day, they were still winning their service games and after a short while Bertie already knew how to counter it perfectly... but I think it's something like:

Satellite > Creation after 3~ games
Satellite > Volk-Tezuka
Initially, Satellite = Creation
Bertie-Dankmar (before Howling) < Creation
Tanegashima-Kirihara =< Bertie-Dankmar (before Howling) =< Volk-Tezuka

Niou's flexibility gives them a bigger edge here, too. Bertie specialised in countering through data which is why Niou had to limit himself and had to switch around so much, but that is not the case here.

Tanegashima-Kirihara can only brute force their way through by being individually better and maybe outlast Niou's Stamina, but even then I think that they would greatly struggle in their opponents' service games.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

He means that Niou couldn't use it because he was too tired from the day before.

Since we got flashbacks of Niou telling Yagyuu (the one that can read him the best) that he wanted to stop using Illusions, it's really unlikely (plus it's also canon in Game of Future, for whatever that is worth).

Neither of those moves attack blind spots. The one that does it is the regular Void, but the big difference here is that Creation makes up new blindspots.

For example, usually you cannot hit towards the net player since he'll just return with a volley. With Creation, you hit the ball towards the player in the back instead and then the ball magically appears behind the net player right on the corner of the court.

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Poll is up!



I was going to vote for Duke-Niou but this is making me second guess. Dankmar-Bertie were indeed scoring every time they served so I guess you can try to avoid them spamming Creation if you have the initiative.

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Gonna go with Duke-Niou but I think either winner is fair here.

Bertie-Dankmar won in straight sets against Volk-Tezuka that should be, in turn, better than Tanegashima and Akaya.

Comparing everything is rather complicated since Creation did win a lot of games against them and yet, at the end of the day, they were still winning their service games and after a short while Bertie already knew how to counter it perfectly... but I think it's something like:

Satellite > Creation after 3~ games
Satellite > Volk-Tezuka
Initially, Satellite = Creation
Bertie-Dankmar (before Howling) < Creation
Tanegashima-Kirihara =< Bertie-Dankmar (before Howling) =< Volk-Tezuka

Niou's flexibility gives them a bigger edge here, too. Bertie specialised in countering through data which is why Niou had to limit himself and had to switch around so much, but that is not the case here.

Tanegashima-Kirihara can only brute force their way through by being individually better and maybe outlast Niou's Stamina, but even then I think that they would greatly struggle in their opponents' service games.

Niou is the key fcator here. He can copy Multiple Top Players.

For ex:

Niou can copy Tezuka. And I think Zero Shiki Serves and Tezuka Phantom, and Even Saiki/POP will win some games against Akaya. Before Tanegashima counters it.

Niou can also copy Camus. Bertie said that a normal person will not be able to react quickly against Camus Weird movement and patterns. Imo, Tanegashima will have a longer time countering NiouCamus than Bertie did.

Even NiouNoah might win some games.

I will go with Duke/Niou here too.

The only chance I will give Tanegashima/Akaya is if they managed to unlock howling. Since Bismarck implied that Tanegashima/Akaya can produce an howling. (Thats why Bismarck instructed Siegfried to suggest 1 V 1)

But we are not considering that in this hypothetical.

So, yeah, Duke/Niou for me. Even though they are weaker individually, they are better in doubles.

 

[Hardy]

Niou is the key fcator here. He can copy Multiple Top Players.

For ex:

Niou can copy Tezuka. And I think Zero Shiki Serves and Tezuka Phantom, and Even Saiki/POP will win some games against Akaya. Before Tanegashima counters it.

Niou can also copy Camus. Bertie said that a normal person will not be able to react quickly against Camus Weird movement and patterns. Imo, Tanegashima will have a longer time countering NiouCamus than Bertie did.

Even NiouNoah might win some games.

I will go with Duke/Niou here too.

The only chance I will give Tanegashima/Akaya is if they managed to unlock howling. Since Bismarck implied that Tanegashima/Akaya can produce an howling. (Thats why Bismarck instructed Siegfried to suggest 1 V 1)

But we are not considering that in this hypothetical.

So, yeah, Duke/Niou for me. Even though they are weaker individually, they are better in doubles.

We've seen Zero Shiki returned a bunch of times already and Kirihara is so fast that he doesn't need to wait next to the service box like Mouri did. Saiki doesn't work in doubles.

The rest seems correct. I don't think they are really better at doubles but Niou can just turn into Camus and if that ever stops working he can squeeze points switching into a ton of different stuff.

 

[Tavore]

Duke/Niou are smashing them in the poll

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Wow. This is over. 9-0 in favor of Duke/Niou

Let's suggest new matchups again.

Amadeus VS Tezuka

Zeus VS Oni

Irie VS Seda

For Doubles:

Tokugawa/Yukimura VS Bismarck/Siegfried

 

[LetalHawk]

Duke vs Tezuka
Ryoma vs Ohmagari
Yukimura vs Ochi
Kintarou/Oni vs Tanegashima/Ohmagari
Mares vs Atobe

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Duke vs Tezuka
Ryoma vs Ohmagari
Yukimura vs Ochi
Kintarou/Oni vs Tanegashima/Ohmagari
Mares vs Atobe

Ngl.Ryoma VS Ohmagari is such a mismatch
Ohmagari is weak as hell in Singles. Probably wont even beat Shiraishi. Lol

Mares VS Atobe is interesting. But We need to see the next chapter first.

I like Duke/Tezuka and Yuki/Ochi the most in your suggestions

 

[LetalHawk]

Ngl.Ryoma VS Ohmagari is such a mismatch
Ohmagari is weak as hell in Singles. Probably wont even beat Shiraishi. Lol

Mares VS Atobe is interesting. But We need to see the next chapter first.

I like Duke/Tezuka and Yuki/Ochi the most in your suggestions

I’d be interesting to see. Ryoma beats Ohmagari handidly ofc because he’s on a whole other level in singles, but it would be an interesting match.

Yukimura should also beat Ochi although he’d have to deal with Mach.

Tezuka vs Duke could go either way but Tezuka is more versatile and I doubt Kijin alone can stop TnK+UZ.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

I’d be interesting to see. Ryoma beats Ohmagari handidly ofc because he’s on a whole other level in singles, but it would be an interesting match.

Yukimura should also beat Ochi although he’d have to deal with Mach.

Tezuka vs Duke could go either way but Tezuka is more versatile and I doubt Kijin alone can stop TnK+UZ.

Hot Take: I think if we see Ochi's True Power this Finals. He will be stronger than Yuki. Ngl

 

[LetalHawk]

Hot Take: I think if we see Ochi's True Power this Finals. He will be stronger than Yuki. Ngl

In doubles yes, in singles I still see Yukimura above Ochi.

Most likely they will get a doubles upgrade.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Tezuka vs Duke could go either way but Tezuka is more versatile and I doubt Kijin alone can stop TnK+UZ.

Interesting. But I think Tezuka will win convincingly.

I think a much better nice matchup to gauge Tezuka's Strength is against Amadeus.

Tezuka VS Amadeus or Tezuka VS Ralph will measure if Tezuka is already a Top 4/5 County Team Captain Level