Mag Talk Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk

[Drmke]

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2009-33 Bottom 5

ToLoveRu
Medaka
Bakuman
Akaboshi
Kuroko

2009-34:

Lead CP: Toriko
CP: Wajima, Reborn, Kagijin

Damn, Akaboshi is even lower than last. Well chapter 2 wasn't as good as the first one but I thought chapter 3 was pretty good so I will wait till next before I completely give up on it.

So I guess Kuroko is pretty much screwed and Medaka has lost its initial popularity. And dammit Bakuman, stop yo-yoing.

 

[[Cross]]

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heh? They didn't like the dog chapter, but they liked the first two...odd. Well I'm kinda disappointed in where Medaka was placed, who knows if it'll come back up, though it'd be a shame if both Akaboshi and Medaka get cut off. R.I.P. Kuroko, even if it is the only sports manga, it has basically taken the place of Hoop Men. I can imagine that they have another sports manga lurking in the not too distant future if they do decide to drop the axe.

 

[Mr. Prince]

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This ToC is pure amusement...

Since I don't like Kuroko, I'm pleased again. Sad to see Akaboshi and Medaka nose diving though...they both seemed like good newcomers and I enjoy them to a certain point. Bakuman is doing its crazy yo-yo thing for yet another week and ToLove shows some signs of living.

Very happy to see Toriko taking the front next week even though I would have loved for One Piece to get at least some color for its 550th chapter.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

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I can't believe this ranking, actually To Love-Ru is on top of bottom 5!!!!

I can't believe Kuroko, Akaboshi, Medaka, and Bakuman lost to To ove-Ru!!!!

Even though the ranking is 8 chapters back, I'm still thinking that these series are actually better than To Love-Ru (well maybe except Medaka because the ranking is on chapter 3 and I had feeling that Medaka might drop to bottom 5).

I hate to say it, but Akaboshi is next one to go out because it is falling down like Asklepios, Meister, and Hoopmen.

I wasn't worry about Kuroko, but looking at this ranking, I'm starting to worry that Jump editors are might cancel Jump's only sport series.

For Medaka, I'm going to make judgement about Medaka's fate until next week's ranking. I'm hoping that Medaka's ranking to rise on short Akune-arc. But, if not, there are definitely about two or three spaces for another new series.

In last, is Tolove-Ru's ranking is on Train-like-character arc? Also, I didn't read this arc, but is it that good?

 

[Rejuvenation]

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^That arc really isn't good at all. The only thing going for it is the wow factor that Train Heartnet from Black Cat crosses into the verse...

heh? They didn't like the dog chapter, but they liked the first two...odd. Well I'm kinda disappointed in where Medaka was placed, who knows if it'll come back up, though it'd be a shame if both Akaboshi and Medaka get cut off. R.I.P. Kuroko, even if it is the only sports manga, it has basically taken the place of Hoop Men. I can imagine that they have another sports manga lurking in the not too distant future if they do decide to drop the axe.

I'm actually shocked because the dog chapter showed Medaka isn't just some Mary Sue plus the comedy in it was great imo. But well, I guess we will see if it bounces back or not.

I think Akaboshi and Kuroko are dead at this point. The only thing that can save the latter for a little while longer is being the only sports series. But even that doesn't make it deserving of living imo

 

[Kaiten]

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Worry about Kuroko. With so many established series, that crash to the bottom could cost it. Especially if H x H returns this fall. Kuroko is only safe if only two series debut after the next cuts, Medaka will probably go before Kuroko.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

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ToLoveRu
Medaka
Bakuman
Akaboshi
Kuroko

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
AHAHA....
ah....

I'm done. Poor Akira Akatsuki, your art is never reflected in the polls

Kuroko can suck it though

 

[SameOld]

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Worst bottom five of the year. At least now we know which series will go down when the next cuts are made. The possibilities are narrowed down to:

- Kagijin and Kuroko (if it keeps up like this and Jump has a new sports series ready)
- Kagijin and Akaboshi (if the above doesn't happen... in which case those retarded Jump readers can go and suck a **** or two)
- Kagijin and Anedoki (if Anedoki fails)
- Kagijin and Waji-whatever (if it fails)
- Kagijin (if only one series needs to be cut).

Medaka is still safe for now.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

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At this pace, I don't be surprise if Kuroko finishes after Shuutoku arc. And Akaboshi is definitely going to die.

And Medaka, if their ranking rise next week, I think Medaka will become another Gintama and Sket Dance because of their yo-yoing, their ranking is basically random depends on the espisodes or arcs.

So, does anyone knows early ranking for Gintama and Sket Dance? Also, for Neuro, too.

In change of subject, looks like people really don't like about To Love-Ru's improvement (well I"m also not very happy about it). I always treat Tolove-Ru as boundary line for cancallation, if one series goes below To Love-Ru, it means 100 percent cancellation. So, I'm really don't happy about To Love-Ru's ranking.

 

[kewl0210]

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...One chapter of Kagijin hasn't come out yet. How the hell do you know it's gonna fail? IT'S A GUY WITH A KEY!!!! IT CAN'T BE BAD!!!

 

[Kaiten]

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Kagijin and Ane Doki won't be next, one debuted in this week, the other hasn't even started yet New series have been getting about 20 chapters before cancellation, those two probably have till November. If Waji is a 9 page gag series, it looks like it will, it has longer, needing more chapters to fill the first volume. Akaboshi has now been at the bottom for two weeks, it could rise, but I can't remember a series debuting this low and suddenly surging past established series. Jump readers don't care about sports series anymore, I doubt Kuroko will be exempted for content, but with Medaka falling into the bottom five by the third chapter, that could protect it for a little while.

So, does anyone knows early ranking for Gintama and Sket Dance? Also, for Neuro, too.

The full TOC doesn't come out till Wednesday. We won't know about Gin and Sket till then. Neuro ended, how could it be ranked >.<

 

[Rejuvenation]

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The full TOC doesn't come out till Wednesday. We won't know about Gin and Sket till then. Neuro ended, how could it be ranked >.<

I think he means the first true rankings for the early chapters. He probably wants to compare Medaka to those series.

 

[SameOld]

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...One chapter of Kagijin hasn't come out yet. How the hell do you know it's gonna fail? IT'S A GUY WITH A KEY!!!! IT CAN'T BE BAD!!!

Read the one-shot. It's the worst I have ever read since I found out what a one-shot is. That pathetic excuse of a concept would need to be rebuilt from scratch to become something even slightly interesting - no, even if it were, the extremely poor execution would still kill it. Really, it's so bad it's amazing. If that abortion manages to catch the readers' attention I'll begin contemplating suicide. :P

And Kaiten, I think he meant Gintama, Sket and Neuro's initial ToC standings.

 

[ttxdragon]

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Is the first chapter of Kagijin released or are you basing your opinion just off the one-shot, sameold? >.>;
took too long to post this >.>;
I don't get how you judge a series based on the one shot -- there can be tons of differences.

To Love Ru's ranking should indeed be because of Train's appearance =3
Too bad they didn't use it for a bigger purpose ;_;

Aside from that, I expected Medaka to go low but Akaboshi might've taken on an overfed market of stories based upon those novels.

Bakuman... I doubt it's gonna get cut before it's natural life-time ends.
It sells well in tanks, yoyo's through the TOC with high positions in there often enough.

It's somewhat sad to see Kuroko die -- it had a nice cast. Though I guess it should've died instead of Hoop men. Hoop was far more interesting, aside from the horrible title <.<;

 

[Negative Syndicate]

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I think he means the first true rankings for the early chapters. He probably wants to compare Medaka to those series.

Yeah! That's what I'm actually meant, but I already find all of the ranking for Sket Dance, plus for Psyren and Mago.

スケット(Sket)（C:3･18･25･29･37･57･68･83）
*1 *9 11 16 *8 13 17 18 18 17 18 19 20 18 12 16 18 14 *7 *7
11 15 13 *7 13 *5 15 *5 13 11 16 14 19 12 16 16 13 19 15 16
17 18 17 18 17 19 20 18 18 17 13 16 14 14 13 13 10 16 18 16
18 15 15 16 13 14 12 15 11 10 *7 *6 *8 17 17 10 14 17 12 18
18 *8 *9 11 10 13 11 14 15 15 18 15 11 16 *5 *5

サイレン(Psyren)（C:8･17･55･66･78）
*1 *6 *6 12 *9 *9 12 13 15 16 15 15 18 12 18 12 14 11 *9 *8
15 11 *9 13 *9 16 14 19 16 17 18 17 14 13 *9 17 16 17 18 17
18 19 20 19 18 19 16 13 14 18 13 15 16 16 *8 *7 13 12 14 15
16 19 15 11 10 *9 15 15 13 16 *7 14 *9 18 14 15 17

ぬらり(Mago)（C:2･8･15･27･36･50）
*1 *4 11 15 *7 15 *7 *8 *8 12 11 10 11 12 *8 *5 *8 13 11 *4
11 15 11 11 12 14 15 15 13 16 17 *1 *8 10 *8 14 12 10 16 14
17 18 19 19 17 15 18 10 *7 *6 14 13 16 16 16 16 15 18 17 17
18 13 15 *7 *8

By looking at early ranking, Sket Dance also didn't do very well, it even drop down to last place. But it manages to survive for almost 2 years.

My comapring first 10 chapters between Sket and Medaka, Medaka is actually doing slighly better than Sket. So I hope Medaka survive like Sket.

In change of subject, can someone find early ranking and early volume sales for Slam Dunk, Prince of Tennis, and Eyeshield 21. By looking at Kuroko, I want to know other successful sport series did good from the beginning or they also were in danger during early serialization.

Plus can someone find early ranking for Gintama and Neuro, Too?

 

[[Cross]]

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Read the one-shot. It's the worst I have ever read since I found out what a one-shot is. That pathetic excuse of a concept would need to be rebuilt from scratch to become something even slightly interesting - no, even if it were, the extremely poor execution would still kill it. Really, it's so bad it's amazing. If that abortion manages to catch the readers' attention I'll begin contemplating suicide. :P

Woah...dude, is it really that bad? I thought it was alright. But how can you harbor such a deep hatred for the one shot? It might change slightly from the one shot, you never know.

 

[Mr. Prince]

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Plus can someone find early ranking for Gintama and Neuro, Too?

Gintama: [Position (Chapter)]
1 (1st) - 5 (2nd) - 5 (3rd) - 7 (4th) - 6 (5th) - 11 (6th) - 9 (7th) - 14 (8th) - 10 (9th) - 16 (10th) - 14 (11th) - 13 (12th) - 12 (14th) - 9 (15th)

Neuro:
1 (1st) - 4 (2nd) - 7 (3rd) - 7 (4th) - 9 (5th) - 7 (6th) - 9 (7th) - 12 (8th) - 12 (9th) - 10 (10th) - 12 (11th) - 12 (12th) - 15 (13th) - 4 (14th) - 10 (15th)

 

[Rejuvenation]

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Wow, some of those initial rankings actually do give more hope. Especially if Medaka bounces back. Well if Jump holds off on cutting anything until September that should give us a better view on how Medaka, Akaboshi, Kuroko, and the new series play out.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

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I think the cancellation is determined by if the series stay in the last place for more than two weeks. The reason is that Sket and Psyren actually went down to last place, but they did manage to escape the last place on the following week. So, if Kuroko escape from last place next week, it has slight chance to survive. Then, I think cancellation is determined by volume sells.

 

[SameOld]

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Woah...dude, is it really that bad? I thought it was alright. But how can you harbor such a deep hatred for the one shot? It might change slightly from the one shot, you never know.

I know it might change, but you know when the impression you get from something is so bad you can't stand anything related to it? The one-shot left such a bad taste in my mouth - or rather, it left no taste at all, which shows how uninteresting it was - I just don't want to see it done again. Not if it's going to be just another waste of space, and it probably is.

As for why I didn't like the one-shot... it seemed like it was using every shonen cliche to irritate me. I felt like there were many ways to do what the author set out to do, yet he chose the least interesting one. Besides, the battle part towards the end was incredibly bland and simplistic, the supposedly funny parts were stupid, the whole "digging for scraps of the once highly-advanced human civilization" thing has been done thousands of times before and in much better ways. Even the art, which could be its only saving grace, is above average at best. The whole thing was like a manual on how you should not write a battle manga for Jump. What a disappointment.