Mag Talk Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk

[Rejuvenation]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

^Very good point.

Hmm... a lot of people seem to have mixed up between Comedy and Gag... Beelze and Sket are in no way "gags", while Gintama is indeed a gag series. Kochikame is a harder one to consider, but everything else is pretty clear on which one it belongs.

To me, I think a gag series has to have the following three criterias when making jokes:

1. Misery of character(s) as a source of joke.
2. Puns.
3. Tsukkomi.

Another optional indicator is relating to pop culture or current events.

By your criteria Sket may actually be a gag manga though.

1. Bossun's misery IS a source of many a joke and Himeko's is as well.
2. Several puns have been used along the way(Granted more were earlier on then more recently I think.)
3. Sket Dance has had several chapters where they themselves mention Tsukkomi and I think even a few chapters were based entirely on what the hell it is.

I think they have the last indicator but my mind is drawing a blank atm. >.>

 

[Finestela]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Yes, but the thing is that, it's not the main source or what the story is mainly about in Sket Dance.

Gintama, while they have the individual arcs and storyline, still focuses almost exclusively on cracking jokes on silly little things. Sket, early on, does this for a bit, but it is almost non-existence as of now.

 

[Cassius]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Preview Toc.

◆EizHb38XPU ：2009/07/20(月) 01:06:57 ID:HNH5bbio0
小ネタ
・35ドベ５　とら、赤星、バク、虜、めだか
・36巻頭　亀　　Cスケ、いぬ、金未来
　　休＠　

Shonen Jump 35

Bottom 5

Medaka
Toriko
BakuMan
Akaboshi
ToLove
Jaguar.

Shonen Jump 36

Cover & CP: Kochikame
CP: Sket Dance, Inumaru, Kin Mirai
Naruto absent (I don't know what means Kyuu, however i think that means "absent")

 

[Kaiten]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Goddamn it Kuroko, drop back to the bottom 5. I don't like you and want you to fail u_u

So now the TOC is getting really volatile with Toriko dropping into the bottom 5. That leaves three series that can't be canceled down there. Getting harder and harder to tell what will join Akaboshi in the next round of cuts. Anyway, good to see Psyren, Mago, and Sket staying away from the basement. And nice to see Sket getting color next week, even if it is for a delayed seconf anniversary.

 

[Rejuvenation]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

^Agreed. For the sake of everything else, Kuroko can bite the dust in my opinion. >.>

Spoiler

Preview Toc.

Shonen Jump 35

Bottom 5

Medaka
Toriko
BakuMan
Akaboshi
ToLove
Jaguar.

Shonen Jump 36

Cover & CP: Kochikame
CP: Sket Dance, Inumaru, Kin Mirai
Naruto absent (I don't know what means Kyuu, however i think that means "absent")

Medaka in the bottom 5 again although barely. Still isn't a good place for it to be in terms of survival. =/

Toriko in the bottom 5 as well saddens me. Although it is safe for the most part.

Bakuman is in the basement again. Which probably means Gintama is in the top 5 this week if they continue their switching with each other.

Kuroko managed to escape the bottom 5. I wonder if it just barely did or if it rose to a high ranking.

Akaboshi managed to rise above To Love Ru this week granted that doesn't make much of a difference.

I only care about the Sket Dance color next week.

Crap, an absent Naruto means it takes longer to get to its end.

 

[Kaiten]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Ah come on, no need to bash Naruto. >.<

 

[Rejuvenation]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Ah come on, no need to bash Naruto. >.<

That wasn't so much to bash it but more so the acknowledgment that when it ends that is one less top heavy series around. And so far it looks like the only established series that has a natural end in sight atm. Granted that may still be a year or so off.

 

[M-Hario]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

No way, Toriko in the bottom 5 T_T

Well, It seems that nothing going to save Akaboshi from cancelation.

Anyway... Naruto absent... I bet that in #37 will be back with Lead CP and cover...

 

[Kaiten]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Anyway... Naruto absent... I bet that in #37 will be back with Lead CP and cover...

Maybe. Two straight covers, with color for the 10th anniversary this week. I'm not sure Kishi will get, or want, more color after that. He and Oda don't seem to take up color the way Kubo does.

That wasn't so much to bash it but more so the acknowledgment that when it ends that is one less top heavy series around. And so far it looks like the only established series that has a natural end in sight atm. Granted that may still be a year or so off.

Naruto and OP aren't really affecting the TOC much IMO. They've kind of become the Jaguars of the front of the magazine, so locked into their spots they almost don't count as part of the poll. The recent volatility seems to have more to do with the second tier of hits, the series that sell less then Bleach but can still be considered hits. It's almost as if, instead of voting for the same favorite week after week, readers are voting for a number of series on a chapter by chapter basis. Bakuman, Gintama, Kuroko, Reborn, and now Toriko seem to be competing for votes. Beelzebub, Psyren, Mago, and Sket seem to be far more consistent of late even if the latter three tend towards the middle rather then front.

 

[kewl0210]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Weird for Toriko to be in the bottom five. Ah well, once we get to the issues where it gets an anime it'll go back up. This corresponds to like... When Toriko eats the Jewel Meat. Well I dunno. Maybe everything else is just really high. But it's getting an anime anyway. Next couple weeks is the end of an arc which were really good.

Odd that Kochikame is getting ANOTHER cover, it's the third this year. That doesn't happen much.

 

[Kaiten]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Odd that Kochikame is getting ANOTHER cover, it's the third this year. That doesn't happen much.

I think they're starting to pimp the drama.

 

[Mr. Prince]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Oh Kuroko...go back down there, you piece of wasted pages...ahem.
Toriko so low is really weird, it just deserves better.

I think Inumaru's CP might be for its anniversary as well. I think it debuted around this time last year...

 

[Kaiten]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

I think Inumaru's CP might be for its anniversary as well. I think it debuted around this time last year...

Most likely. Inumaru started in issue 39, the issue after the double. Color in the issue before this years double will probably be an early anniversary.

 

[Drmke]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Preview Toc.



Shonen Jump 35

Bottom 5

Medaka
Toriko
BakuMan
Akaboshi
ToLove
Jaguar.

Shonen Jump 36

Cover & CP: Kochikame
CP: Sket Dance, Inumaru, Kin Mirai
Naruto absent (I don't know what means Kyuu, however i think that means "absent")

Akaboshi, you finally managed to move up a little but it was just above To Love-ru......that doesn't help your situation......

 

[Elyon A. Luna]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Now Bakuman it's basement lodger....

¿Anyone has the sales? Going to check the Oricon lists.

 

[Siberia]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Now Bakuman it's basement lodger....

¿Anyone has the sales? Going to check the Oricon lists.

According to 2ch, the total sales of vol 3 counted up to 2009/7/6 is 302,910 copies

オリコン2009/7/6付 コミック (集計期間：2009/6/22～6/28)
順位/先週/推定売上部数/推定累積売上部数/登場回数/集計日数(初週のみ)/タイトル
92　46　*11,928　*,302,910　*4　*25　バクマン。 3

 

[StrangerAtaru]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Maybe. Two straight covers, with color for the 10th anniversary this week. I'm not sure Kishi will get, or want, more color after that. He and Oda don't seem to take up color the way Kubo does.

I think issue 43 will be the grand finale of the Naruto hype: that's officially the issue in 1999 when Naruto started and that's when I think the biggest of all the Naruto coverage for the year will be for it's 10th anniversary. (that should be around September) Could still sneak in another but the main anniversary will be in 43 IMHO.

As for the rankings...aside from To-Love's consistancy and Akaboshi essentially bombing, the big story is pretty much the volatility of the ranks as of late. Many series have been going up and down a lot the last few months, which could more or less be a sign they all have support, including (and most crucially) some of the stuff from '08 (Psyren, Mago, Toriko, Bakuman) and some stuff from '09 like Beezle. I don't know where it will go but it is nothing but up for them.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

I'm just hoping that Akaboshi bounces back up, like Sket Dance. Sket Dance also fell down to last place during its early official ranking, but manage to bounces back up. Now, Sket Dance has been serialized for almost 2 years. I hope Akaboshi to survive like Sket Dance.

Toriko dropped to bottom 5. Maybe it's just having an one bad week. But, if Toriko stay in bottom 5 for consecutive weeks, then I think Toriko had too much bubble.

It is good to see that Kuroko finally escaped from bottom 5. But, sad to see Medaka drops to bottom 5 again. But, I think Medaka is not in danger, yet, but if it dropped even more next week, then Medaka is in trouble.

 

[Finestela]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Well, it did go up one place above ToLoveRu... so it "might" mean that Shueisha is not ready to sign its death warrant.

Otherwise, they'd just keep it below TLR

 

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Somehow I was kind of expecting Toriko to show up here.

If Toriko switched around with Kuroko this would pretty much be the ideal Bottom 5 I could realistically expect right now.