The Next Shichibukai?

[firework]

It seems that jimbei will be off the schichibukai list, so who do you think will take his spot? Blackbeard may also be off, and maybe even Hancock after this war. There will almost definitely be a free spot.

so who will rise to take the coveted pirate seat?

a supernova?
a New World pirate?
an as-yet-unseen pirate?

place your bets here!

 

[chess4]

Re: next shichibukai?

i think the shichbukai as a group is done after this fight? i think they will all start sailing by themselves again. i think that there reputation will be ruined after this war anyway

 

[deffkryz]

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I agree with chess4 - right now the shichibukai aren't reliable at all for the WG:

• Teach - a clear f*cked up decision to choose him as Crocodile's substitute, just take a look at Sengoku's face fault
• Kuma - does what he wants/his intentions remain yet unclear. At least he seems to be caught between two stools.
• Hancock - immobilized when used as enemy to Luffy, one that now is declared as thread to the world.
• Jinbei - quit, immobilized when used as anemy to Whitebeard, his crew members and allies.
• Crocodile - tried to take over a country lead by a WG member
• Moria - unclear, probably leaves the Shichibukai once he's in range of becoming Kaizoku-Ou
• Doflamingo - unclear

If the WG is again stupid enough to rely on pirates, then only for the money they make by crushing other pirates.

 

[Akainu]

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I agree that the Shichibukai as a whole might be done for after the war.
On the other hand the world government might wnat to reestablish them as institution and since I don't see all of the Supernovae being used in the neew world maybe one or two of them - not even those with the highest bounty - might become part of this renewal.

 

[BlackHair]

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After this war, the era we know won't exist anymore. If WB goes down, then it will be a huge win for the WG. Maybe The Shichi aren't even needed anymore. I don't expect the same equibrium to exixst in the new era. Well lets wait and see.

 

[ScratchmenApoo]

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My prediction : The Shichibukai will be torn apart after the war and they will move on with their paths. Also, I believe that the World Government, as we know it now, will be disrupted and maybe even cancelled, and the only Justice will be the Gorousei and the Cipher Pol agencies, whose true powers we will see in the future ongoing of One Piece. The Marines will perish - meaning the pirates will win. However, Whitebeard and the others will show mercy to the Admirals and Sengoku, allowing them to flee (?). They get back Ace and go on with their adventures.

 

[BlackHair]

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My prediction : The Shichibukai will be torn apart after the war and they will move on with their paths. Also, I believe that the World Government, as we know it now, will be disrupted and maybe even cancelled, and the only Justice will be the Gorousei and the Cipher Pol agencies, whose true powers we will see in the future ongoing of One Piece. The Marines will perish - meaning the pirates will win. However, Whitebeard and the others will show mercy to the Admirals and Sengoku, allowing them to flee (?). They get back Ace and go on with their adventures.

I mostly disagree with ur prediction. WB needs to go down, sadly but that is plot-wise needed -imo.

About the bolded part, it seems u got mixed up sth. The MHQ is a force of the world government. Means, if they go down, the WG would still exist. The WG is formed by over 17 Nation, with the Gorusai as their head. Also Ciphor Pol as far as we know are only intelligence agencies. They can't even dream to replace the MHQ. Since they would be hugely outnumbered.

 

[Darkever]

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I expect great changes after this war, which includes the disappearance of the shichibukai status. The group is completely falling apart after years of stability, and I doubt the marines will rebuild it.

Croc, Jimbei and Blackbeard have betrayed.
Hancock is in love with Luffy, and will probably betray in this war.
Kuma has obviously ties with the rebellion and Dragon, and will betray them, soon or later.
Moria has already been beaten by a rookie. They kept him a shichbukai only because the war was so close.
That leaves Mihawk and Doflamingo.

 

[modoki]

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i think the shichbukai as a group is done after this fight? i think they will all start sailing by themselves again. i think that there reputation will be ruined after this war anyway

I highly agree, this war alone will significantly split the shichibukai. There's already leaving members and traitors ( Kuma, Jimbei ). I remember during thriller bark after moria was defeated, the Gorousei made a big deal about possibly losing a member of the shichibukai.

I could hardly imagine how they would react loosing 2+

 

[BlackHair]

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I could hardly imagine how they would react loosing 2+

I believe they don't care about that.

The Yonko are rivalling pirates, with WB at the top. If he falls, then some1 has to take his spot. So that would mean battles: pirates (Yonko) fighting each other for the next level. So they would weakened themselves or even take out each other. I think WG would use that as a opportunity to strike. If the NW pirates (Yonko) are weakened or even destroyed, there is no need for the Shihcibukai anymore.

That's why I said the equilibrium we know, might not exists after the whole war. The NW will be in chaos.

 

[bittman]

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They won't disband - why? Because Kuma being a "spy" doesn't work if he gets kicked out a few chapters after being hinted at being a spy.

Disbanding the Shichibukai would be like the WG shooting themselves in the foot. If you think the Shichibukai were just there to scare rookies and backup the admirals in a big fight, you are most definitely mistaken.

The Shichibukai exist because they allow the WG to manage pirates. Sure, eventually it would be nice to get rid of all pirates from the WG's viewpoint, however they exist. And whilst pirates exist, it would be silly to declare war on every single one of them. The saying "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer" is the exact reason the Shichibukai exist.

I'm sure, in their quite possibly long history, that 2 Shichibukai betraying at the same time is not unheard of. If you think the Gorosei are going to make public enemies of powerful pirates rather than turning a blind eye just because 2 guys changed their mind, you must think the Gorousei are a self-destructive bunch.

If you're playing Age of Empires, and you have 3 teams "neutral", no allies and 3 teams "enemy", you don't declare all neutral as "enemy" just because one neutral changed themselves. You also don't declare neutral as enemy just because you beat one enemy.

Tactics people. I've seen no-one mention a benefit of disbanding the Shichibukai other than hoping to not be betrayed again and instead be at open conflict with, doesn't sound like a great move to me.

On topic though: Any of the Supernova, though I expect Law, Kidd, Killer, Capone and Bonney escaped; Hawkins, Drake, Apoo or Urogue are all definitely captured and could make good Shichibukais. That said, if the two slots are instantly filled with 2 Supernova I'll feel a little disappointed because then the only two unrevealed sillouettes in One Piece are Kaidou + 4th Yonkou.

Also...would they be beneath reinstating Crocodile? I doubt they will, but it's an idea worth mentioning.

 

[Franckie]

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Crocodile. Despite the fact MHQ will win the "war", they're going to take a decent hit in manpower. Furthermore, with Jinbei's defection and the fact all hell will break out in the New World following WB's death, MHQ will take whatever possible ally they can get. It's not coincidence Croc was brought back in the series at this point in time. Sure, he's a known "traitor", but pairing him off with someone like Smoker should be enough to keep Croc in line.

 

[BlackHair]

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With the NW in chaos, I don't think the WG would want scum such as the pirates (Shichubakai) on their side anymore than needed.. While it may be tactically a good move, their foolish pride may stand in their way. Also I don't expect the pirates working for the WG anymore. With the NW in chaos, they have chances to move on their own. Well I just can't see the same equilibrium to exist after the war. Wait and see I guess.

If you're playing Age of Empires, and you have 3 teams "neutral", no allies and 3 teams "enemy", you don't declare all neutral as "enemy" just because one neutral changed themselves. You also don't declare neutral as enemy just because you beat one enemy.

Tactics people. I've seen no-one mention a benefit of disbanding the Shichibukai other than hoping to not be betrayed again and instead be at open conflict with, doesn't sound like a great move to me.

True, u shouldn't make unnecessary enemies. But don't expect ur enemies to work together. They will also fight each other. Personally I don't care making more enemies, if they are weak (in Age3). Same should apply in OP; I beleive the MHQ only cares about the Yonko. While there are other strong priates crews, those four should be at their main radar. So I think they don't care if they have other (such as the SN) as their enemy. That may backfire, if they would unite.. but the chances are small. They are rivalling pirates after all.

 

[Razh]

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The fact that WG and Marines turn a blind eye towards most of Shichibukai activities, shows that they really need them. Not to mention how desperate they were to bring all of them to Marineford.
It's not like the need for them will just go away if one of Yonkou gets beaten. There are still 3 other, and who knows how many others.
So, no, I don't think WG is just going to kill Shichibukai. If anything, they will start recruiting even more pirates, regardless of the outcome of this battle. Marines are going to be seriously weakened either way. There are more pirates with each new day, and there's still the threat of Revolutionaries. Disbanding Shichibukai in such an environment would be the work of a retard.

 

[BlackHair]

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The reason why they need the Shichi are because the power balance in the NW are stable. If one Yonko gets beaten, the balance gets out of order. I mean the remaining three have to fight for WB's position as the top. Meanwhile other pirates, which had no chance in moving have their chances now (including the Shichi). So the NW would be in chaos, a battlefield of pirates, not only the Yonko.

Even if the MHQ is weakened through the WB War, they have space to rest and could even use the opportunity in the NW to strike.

Disbanding Shichibukai in such an environment would be the work of a retard.

I don't even expect the Shichi working for the WG even if they asked. So they could refuse their title to move in the NW.

 

[Razh]

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I don't even expect the Shichi working for the WG even if they asked. So they could refuse their title to move in the NW.

Of course, sitting on their asses and fighting some tough opponents if they want is one thing, and getting involved into a military campaign are two different things. But I didn't mean these current Shichibukai, but the Shichibukai as an idea or an institution.

 

[firework]

Re: next shichibukai?

i think the shichbukai as a group is done after this fight? i think they will all start sailing by themselves again. i think that there reputation will be ruined after this war anyway

i considered that too, but at best, only

Jimbei
Blackbeard
Hancock
Kuma

are done for after this war. That still leaves 3 powerful pirates. Even if they beat WB, the WG wont have gained much if they release all 7 pirates from their control. At most, they will dismiss the 4 above ones.

A more realistic situation, however, occurs if WB falls. With one yonkou out and some marines taken out, the shichibukai may not need as many members to keep the power vacuum stable.

The 3 great powers are
Yonkou- may lose 1
WG/Marine- may lose some troops
Shichibukai- will probably lose 2-4 members

If all three groups are weakened, then they may not have to deletea group. However, the revolutionaries add a different variable

 

[NoLimit89]

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I don't think Marine would have that much power after this war and hence Shichibukai wouldn't need their protection to do what they want anyways.

 

[ANBU4U]

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I don't think Marine would have that much power after this war and hence Shichibukai wouldn't need their protection to do what they want anyways.

Agreed,the Shichibukai will be defunct after this battle.

The government may turn towards the Pacifista to fill the power gap...I'm sure that was their ultimate plan all along. No way the government wanted to rely on turn-coat pirates long term.

But yea, of the current Shichibukai:

• Blackbeard Defected, following his own agenda
• Boa Hancock Defected, following Monkey D. Luffy
• Dracule Mihawk
• Jimbei Defected, following Edward Newgate
• Don Flamingo Don Quixote
• Bartholomew Kuma
• Gecko Moria

That leaves a little over half, with only 2 of those being anything approaching reliable.

The WG may fill the ranks with some upstart pirates with sex appeal like the supernova....but I don't see it for three reasons.

1. The Pacifista are coming around.
2. The way the Shichibukai just blew up in their faces the WG should be rethinking the idea.
3. The balance of power will likely shift in the Pirates favor after this war...so why would any Pirate good enough to become a Shichibukai want go give up his autonomy?

 

[LoS]

Re: next shichibukai?

[*]Gecko Moria

I can't see him being there, slowly but surely he is turning into fodder, not to mention he has already gotten well over his 5 minutes of fame. Being that I can't see him included, there really would be no point in having just 3 active members. And then again there is always the big question with the wild card, Kuma. Which side is he on, will he survive, or sacrifice himself?