Roger's power/Devil fruit?

[Razh]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

Somehow roger does not strike me as a voodoo type lol. He also does not strike me as a strawman. On top of that we are not sure if that supernova's abilities come from a fruit. Even if he does have a fruit some of his abilities might not necessarily related to it (future reading and whatnot).

He does have straws attached to the cards when calculating the odds. That's right, he's calculating and even saying percentages. It's not a prediction.
Also, he may have attached some straws to those people that get hurt instead of him. The man with the shortest straw, meaning the closest to Hawkins receives the first hit, then the next, and so on and so on.
Yeah, I think it's all related to his fruit.

 

[RichardMNixon]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

He does have straws attached to the cards when calculating the odds. That's right, he's calculating and even saying percentages. It's not a prediction.
Also, he may have attached some straws to those people that get hurt instead of him. The man with the shortest straw, meaning the closest to Hawkins receives the first hit, then the next, and so on and so on.
Yeah, I think it's all related to his fruit.

He's holding the cards with straw, but that doesn't necessarily mean the fortunetelling requires it.

 

[Razh]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

He's holding the cards with straw, but that doesn't necessarily mean the fortunetelling requires it.

You don't really believe that, do you?

He's just holding his cards with straws for kicks then. He can't put them on a table. He needs to hold them in the air with his straws...

P.S. It's not fortunetelling if he calculates percentages.

 

[Poneglyph420]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

I'm glad people are interested in MY theory about Roger hearing the "voice of the wind". I really think this could be the case, and I wouldn't be upset if that's his power DF or not. Roger could of potentially been one step ahead of everyone...that's a pretty sick power IMO.

Hawkins uses the straws to hold the cards as a part of his power. Sure seems like it's required to do his divination...

 

[Razh]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

I'm glad people are interested in MY theory about Roger hearing the "voice of the wind". I really think this could be the case, and I wouldn't be upset if that's his power DF or not. Roger could of potentially been one step ahead of everyone...that's a pretty sick power IMO.

Then how do you suppose hearing the wind allowed him to read and write poneglyphs?

Why would Rayleigh hide Roger's power in metaphors, why not just say - "he could hear the voice of wind" instead of -"he could hear the voice of all things", unless he meant that wind was the voice of all things, but then why not just say that the wind is voice of all things?

If the wind could speak to Roger about the past and old dead languages, then it would mean that the wind itself is magical or supernatural. And it's just a movement of air.
I don't think it's a complete improbability, but you need to work on it a little.

 

[Poneglyph420]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

Then how do you suppose hearing the wind allowed him to read and write poneglyphs?

Why would Rayleigh hide Roger's power in metaphors, why not just say - "he could hear the voice of wind" instead of -"he could hear the voice of all things", unless he meant that wind was the voice of all things, but then why not just say that the wind is voice of all things?

If the wind could speak to Roger about the past and old dead languages, then it would mean that the wind itself is magical or supernatural. And it's just a movement of air.
I don't think it's a complete improbability, but you need to work on it a little.

I suppose that "hearing the voice of all things" is like telepathy/empathy or some sort of "sixth sense". I would hope he could hear more than just the wind if it's the "voice of all things". But indeed the wind would be one of many things that would speak to Roger, if my assumptions are correct.

 

[kkck]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

I'm glad people are interested in MY theory about Roger hearing the "voice of the wind". I really think this could be the case, and I wouldn't be upset if that's his power DF or not. Roger could of potentially been one step ahead of everyone...that's a pretty sick power IMO.

Hawkins uses the straws to hold the cards as a part of his power. Sure seems like it's required to do his divination...

What theory is this lol? Since when my joke from a few posts ago -don't really recall reading a theory like that anyways- is your theory lol?

 

[Poneglyph420]

Re: Dragon and Roger; Same power/Devil fruit?

What theory is this lol? Since when my joke from a few posts ago -don't really recall reading a theory like that anyways- is your theory lol?

In my first post in this thread I theorized that Roger's Df had to do with some sort of sixth sense. That's all i Meant.

LOL.

 

[Vexor]

rogers strengh

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/507/07/

could it be that it was the mantra what he meant back there?
gol d was in skypia after all...

 

[Fox666]

Re: rogers strengh

Hmm, that's quite a good point... there is some correlation.

But I have my own theory about Haki. Boa sisters did the same as mantra against Luffy. They could predict his moves. I suppose that "mantra" is just how Haki is know in Sky Island. No wonder, Haki is not that well know all around the world, there should be places with different names.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

I think what Rayleigh talked about was Mantra. Roger had the best mantra ever known in this world : the power to hear the human body'sounds AND the objects'sounds. That's why he was able to understand the meaning of the poneglyph even if he was not able to read them.
After all, Luffy managed to foresee Mihawks cutting his arm at MHQ, and Zoro was able to hear the voices of a palm leaf, of rock and of metal in Alabasta and we all know there was no DF involved there.
And the " voices " word fits with what Gan Forr said about Mantra.

 

[Fox666]

I agree with Zoro's have something to do with it, but Luffy just noticed Mihawk noticed his attack with his super-sight...

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

I agree with Zoro's have something to do with it, but Luffy just noticed Mihawk noticed his attack with his super-sight...

While Mihawks was standing in front of him and he was about to attack, he saw in his mind Mihawks cutting his arm. Sight cannot explain it.

 

[THM Nindo]

Maybe Roger didn't have a devil fruit at all...
He was said to have the King's Haki, no!?

As for the hearing part, I also believe it might have been mantra-related.

Maybe he was powerful enough with that, and he didn't need a devil fruit.
Just look at Shanks... he doesn't have a devil fruit, and yet he's considered as one of the 4 greatest pirates.

If you go to the extreme, maybe a strong will can be enough to even alter stuff... like weather... who knows?

The will doesn't only affect the living...
We had some example of the will affecting objects (Shanks break stuff on WB boat, Rayleigh break the neck chain of the slaves, etc).

Maybe, it could even explain how Rouge managed to keep Ace in her womb for 20 months... it's the the Will of a D., strong enough to even bent the extreme to its will.

I think that was the power of Gol D. Roger...
His Will was the strongest of all...

 

[tret16]

Gol D. Roger and his ability.

I was thinking lately about what type of ability that Roger might have. As the pirate king he had to be a beast no dought about that. Even stronger then Whitebeard who seem to have a very strong Devil Fruit.

So what i would like to know from all of you is what ability do you think Gol D Roger had other then his Haki abilities?

I for one think that Roger didn't have a Devil Fruit ability. That would just make him seem even stronger and more of a beast. The fact that Rayleigh doesn't have an ability and is known to be so strong is also a hint for me that Roger doesn't have one but that alone isn't the reason i think that since for luffy's firstmate Zoro doesn't have an ability and he is strong also... Another the other reason why i think he didn't have an ability is because of Shanks, he doesn't seem to possess an ability and i think that i learned to be strong and didn't want to have a Devil Fruit ability in memory of his captain...

Well that's all i can thnk of so let me know your idea's on what type of a ability Gol D Roger has, if any.

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[Zehahaha]

Re: Gol G Roger and his ability.

I do think that he had exeptional physical power + haki, especially Haoshoku Haki... I mean, i find it strange that when Luffy used Haoshoku in Marinford everybody was " WTF ! ", i mean, if it's only limited to make people faint, that's not really that useful against good fighters and that wouldn't explain the reaction of Sengoku, Aokiji... That's why i believe that Haoshoku is more than making people faint, and I think that only Roger managed to really master it.

Anyway, i'd be deceived if he had a DF

 

[tret16]

Re: Gol G Roger and his ability.

ya i jalfto agree, i think that's why he was so famous. He managed to be as good as he was without having a Devil Fruit power...

 

[LeDuck]

Gol D Roger and the voice of all things

After thinking a bit about the latest chapter, there is something that came to my mind. First, let's look at all the information we have:

http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-507/page003.html
Gol D Roger is able to understand the meaning of the Poneglyph and leaves a message with the ancient letters.

http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-507/page005.html
Rayleigh admits that Roger wasn't able to decipher the letters.

http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-507/page006.html
Rayleigh says that Roger had the power to hear the "voice of all things".

http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-597/page012.html
In the latest chapter, Rayleigh told us about the "color of observation", where you can be aware of someone's presence and predict his movement.

Now let's go back a bit, remember when Zoro fought Mr. 1? When he was almost dying, this happened:
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-195/page016.html
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-195/page017.html

Zoro was able to feel the presence of objects, which he described as "breathing", which means he already developed a bit of the color of observation.

Now let's assume that the "voice of all things" simply means that Roger had a never seen before strong affinity to the color of observation, which allowed to go to the point of understanding the presence of everything. So, when he was in front of a poneglyph, he couldn't read the letters, but he understood the intent / the message, because he was able to hear, what the poneglyph was trying to tell. Technically it was developed to the point, where he wasn't able to feel them breathe, but to hear them "speak".

I'm not too sure how he was able to write in letters he didn't understand, but it could have something to do with it.

Any thoughts?

 

[Poneglyph420]

Re: Gol D Roger and the voice of all things

After thinking a bit about the latest chapter, there is something that came to my mind. First, let's look at all the information we have:

http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-507/page003.html
Gol D Roger is able to understand the meaning of the Poneglyph and leaves a message with the ancient letters.

http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-507/page005.html
Rayleigh admits that Roger wasn't able to decipher the letters.

http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-507/page006.html
Rayleigh says that Roger had the power to hear the "voice of all things".

http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-597/page012.html
In the latest chapter, Rayleigh told us about the "color of observation", where you can be aware of someone's presence and predict his movement.

Now let's go back a bit, remember when Zoro fought Mr. 1? When he was almost dying, this happened:
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-195/page016.html
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-195/page017.html

Zoro was able to feel the presence of objects, which he described as "breathing", which means he already developed a bit of the color of observation.

Now let's assume that the "voice of all things" simply means that Roger had a never seen before strong affinity to the color of observation, which allowed to go to the point of understanding the presence of everything. So, when he was in front of a poneglyph, he couldn't read the letters, but he understood the intent / the message, because he was able to hear, what the poneglyph was trying to tell. Technically it was developed to the point, where he wasn't able to feel them breathe, but to hear them "speak".

I'm not too sure how he was able to write in letters he didn't understand, but it could have something to do with it.

Any thoughts?

I whole heartedly agree that Roger could have had an amazing affinity to the "color of observation" Haki, and from that amazing ability "heard the voice of all things"

I'd also go as far to say that there is a chance Roger's "C.O.O." affinity might have a contributing factor to his ability to navigate to Raftel. It's crazy and totally unfounded but I have been thinking there has to be a reason why it's such a difficult and mysterious place to find..

 

[THM Nindo]

Re: Gol D Roger and the voice of all things

I agree with whoever is saying that "hearing all things" is just the mastering of the color of observation.

And we already saw that once, when Zoro was able to "hear" the metal, and after that he was able to cut it.