Discussion Blackbeard's Strength

[otto345]

Re: One Piece 569 Discussion / 570 Prediction

Everybody is assuming BB will be a yonkou... he needs to prove himself... he is still unknown though he was a WB crewmate, he doesn't have a name yet probably defeating a yonkou will earn him one though.

Its funny but didn't shanks who is a Yonkou get his scars from blackbeard and that was before blackbeard got his Yami Yami no Mi devil fruit. Blackbeard is already Yonkou level. Mark my words he will be the final enemy luffy has to defeat for him to become the pirate king.

 

[Rosebullet Teacher]

Re: One Piece 569 Discussion / 570 Prediction

Jus before he murked Ace Blackbeard pretty much said hes got his rise planned, now you might say he was just referring to catching Luffy for the Shichibukai title but i dont think so i cant wait to see his hairy chested self again this cat is gonna bleed men
FuS

 

[iKeno]

Re: One Piece 569 Discussion / 570 Prediction

Its funny but didn't shanks who is a Yonkou get his scars from blackbeard and that was before blackbeard got his Yami Yami no Mi devil fruit. Blackbeard is already Yonkou level. Mark my words he will be the final enemy luffy has to defeat for him to become the pirate king.

So you're saying Blackbeard is as strong as Whitebeard, Shanks, Kaidou and the other one? I highly doubt that.
If he was already Yonkou level + his devil fruit don't you think he would of already made his move into the new world and not 'plan' his way to the becoming the pirate king? Blackbeard gave Shanks the scar like what over 10 years ago? You would assume Shanks would have gotten a hell of a lot powerful than that.
He doesn't have much of a crew, it took him a while to defeat ace, he was hit by luffy and if you're saying he is yonkou level then he should have evaded it even if he wasn't expecting it.
My conclusion is that he's around Luffy's power level, maybe even a little stronger.

 

[otto345]

Re: One Piece 569 Discussion / 570 Prediction

So you're saying Blackbeard is as strong as Whitebeard, Shanks, Kaidou and the other one? I highly doubt that.
If he was already Yonkou level + his devil fruit don't you think he would of already made his move into the new world and not 'plan' his way to the becoming the pirate king? Blackbeard gave Shanks the scar like what over 10 years ago? You would assume Shanks would have gotten a hell of a lot powerful than that.
He doesn't have much of a crew, it took him a while to defeat ace, he was hit by luffy and if you're saying he is yonkou level then he should have evaded it even if he wasn't expecting it.
My conclusion is that he's around Luffy's power level, maybe even a little stronger.

IM pretty sure the Yonkou are not strong just because of the person leading them, they are strong because of the crew they have. Even Shanks told Whitebeard to be wary of him, why would he go to Whitebeard personally and tell him that Ace should not fight Blackbeard, obviously Shanks knew Blackbeard was a threat. Blackbeard was only waiting for the right time to make his move. And honestly Blackbeard is luffy's level come on , seriously if it wasn't for Jimbei who stopped luffy, luffy would have been murdered.

 

[frontaLobotomy]

Blackbeard is probably on a par with the Yonkou right now, in terms of strength and experience. He shouldn't be compared with rookies so often, as he's been a Pirate for a long time, and has managed to scar one of the most powerful characters revealed in the series. Not just anywhere either, but over his eye for all to see.

 

[chess4]

Blackbeard is probably on a par with the Yonkou right now, in terms of strength and experience. He shouldn't be compared with rookies so often, as he's been a Pirate for a long time, and has managed to scar one of the most powerful characters revealed in the series. Not just anywhere either, but over his eye for all to see.

yes blackbeard is hella strong, but the the reason have their title(well at least the 2 we have seen) is not only because of their individual strength, but the crews they have. if the Blackbeard pirates were to face the red hairs or the WB pirates they would get crushed, if just by the sheer number alone, and if im correct BB hasnt made any allies.

 

[RichardMNixon]

yes blackbeard is hella strong, but the the reason have their title(well at least the 2 we have seen) is not only because of their individual strength, but the crews they have.

I do feel the need to point this out because it's thrown around like gospel. Nowhere has Oda stated "Yeah, the Yonkou are cool and all but its really their great crew that makes them so strong." Somewhere along the line, fans just decided that Yonkou crews were what make the Yonkou so great. I agree that their crews are strong and to be feared, but to insist that their crew is the main component to their reputation (and chess4 didn't say it that strongly but others have) does a disservice to their individual power.

 

[chess4]

I do feel the need to point this out because it's thrown around like gospel. Nowhere has Oda stated "Yeah, the Yonkou are cool and all but its really their great crew that makes them so strong." Somewhere along the line, fans just decided that Yonkou crews were what make the Yonkou so great. I agree that their crews are strong and to be feared, but to insist that their crew is the main component to their reputation (and chess4 didn't say it that strongly but others have) does a disservice to their individual power.

lets take WB. WB is an animal and considered the strongest man alive, but what truly makes him fearsome is his crew, and his ability to have FORTY THREE pirate captains and their crews to follow him into battle angainst the WG for 1 young hot headed pirate.
yonkou means 4 kings and i my opinion is a king is only as strong as his kingdom. if a kingdom is strong therefore the king is. this is how i think it is with the yonkou.

 

[Zatono]

So I've got a question. Well, a few questions. If Blackbeard is supposedly on Yonkou level, where's that place Magellan? Hell, where's that place the admirals? Are the admirals stronger then the Yonkou then? Could BB beat Kizaru? What about Mihawk? Can BB now wreck Mihawk because of all this fan hyping?

Who cares if he scarred Shanks? We don't have the details of what was going on during that fight. For all we know, Shanks was battling the whole damn ship back then, and BB caught him off guard and managed to scrape his skin, barely.

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yonkou means 4 kings and i my opinion is a king is only as strong as his kingdom. if a kingdom is strong therefore the king is. this is how i think it is with the yonkou.

So, I guess that whole, WB at his prime was evenly matched with Gol D Roger is null and void, huh? Obviously it was the power of his gigantic crew that allowed him to be evenly matched. /sarcasm in case people can't tell.

 

[chess4]

So I've got a question. Well, a few questions. If Blackbeard is supposedly on Yonkou level, where's that place Magellan? Hell, where's that place the admirals? Are the admirals stronger then the Yonkou then? Could BB beat Kizaru? What about Mihawk? Can BB now wreck Mihawk because of all this fan hyping?

Who cares if he scarred Shanks? We don't have the details of what was going on during that fight. For all we know, Shanks was battling the whole damn ship back then, and BB caught him off guard and managed to scrape his skin, barely.
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So, I guess that whole, WB at his prime was evenly matched with Gol D Roger is null and void, huh? Obviously it was the power of his gigantic crew that allowed him to be evenly matched. /sarcasm in case people can't tell.

i never said he wasnt strong, im saying that the reason he is so feared is because of his crew and his pull in the new world.

also shiryuu said that the BB's were careless against magellan. also remember when mr 3 stopped magellans poison. that doesnt mean mr 3 is stronger than him. crocodile said u never know how powers will match up.

i think BB is one of the strongest people in one piece. he has the ability to stop logia users from using their power when he touches them. BB just got his fruit not to long ago(one piece time) and he still was a dawg.

you are absolutely right about he and shanks scuffle, but shanks wouldnt tell WB if he didnt think BB was a serious threat. he even said that BB mite come for WB's title. by shanks saying that, lets me know that BB is forreal.

either way, whatever BB is planing we will see before this arc is over

 

[Poneglyph420]

BB is indeed powerful enough to stand up against Ace, and at one point Shanks..sure.

At this point BB has experience and a nasty DF no doubt. Up til now he really hasn't fought a truly fair fight. He had the element of surprise on Ace and Magellan had it on him. By no means is he as strong as the two Yonkou we know of.. But top 10 for sure IMO. I hate him, but love to hate him....

 

[Tengu24]

I wonder if rayleigh can take BB down, what do you guys think? I think he can, I even think Rayleigh Really is on yonkou lvl in terms of strength..

 

[vagabond87]

I wonder if rayleigh can take BB down, what do you guys think? I think he can, I even think Rayleigh Really is on yonkou lvl in terms of strength..

Yes he can... Rayleight can handle Kizaru so Blackbeard is nothing compering to him. Magellan owned BB in seconds and he is weaker than Kizaru. Rayleight is eqal to Kizaru but dont have stamina like him.

 

[Poneglyph420]

Yes he can... Rayleight can handle Kizaru so Blackbeard is nothing compering to him. Magellan owned BB in seconds and he is weaker than Kizaru. Rayleight is eqal to Kizaru but dont have stamina like him.

I'd suspect that Rayleigh could handle BB as it stands.. but based on that fuzzy logic...

Kizaru was clearly more than Rayleigh could handle..at best he kept Kizaru at bay from the SH. He at no point seemed to be "beating" Kizaru..
Also BB is kinda overly bold and simple minded (like Luffy)..
When it comes to Magellan, He had the element of surprise on BB so as far as a fight to gauge power level by...doesn't seem to work IMO..

However based on the power of Rayleigh's haki seem in the auction house and his ability to rip off time bomb collars, his haki is no joke. Also up to know seems like he has no DF, making him even better suited to fighting someone with DF nullifying powers.

That would be a great fight.

 

[Black Lagoon]

Yes he can... Rayleight can handle Kizaru so Blackbeard is nothing compering to him. Magellan owned BB in seconds and he is weaker than Kizaru. Rayleight is eqal to Kizaru but dont have stamina like him.

BlackBeard was owned by Magellan because his stupid personality underestimated Magellan.

 

[Foxdie]

BlackBeard was owned by Magellan because his stupid personality underestimated Magellan.

Exactly .. I'm with you in this ..
I think BB will become the strongest man after WB's death ..

- He is the one who killed (4th captain of WB's crew) without a DF even.
- He is the one who won in front of Shanks & lift him with a Scar without a DF 10 years ago (or sometime before that .. I don't remember).
- He is the one who won in front of Ace (Oda didn't drew the full fight between them).

In my opinion, his strength depends on 3 things ..
1- His DF ability.
2- His plans, & all you know that he always talk about them.
3- I think BB has the Houshoku Haki (the Royal Haki) or the Haki ability in general & he is a good user for it because how he can fight Shanks & kill Thatchi (4th captain) without it?!

 

[LeKuaSimi]

talking about shitguy, he is only immune to his own poison due to his df right? If BB touches him, he would get poisoned. And the longer BB holds him, the more damage he will take.

Another thing to note is that Shiryyu, considered to be equal to Magellan, became BB's subordinate.

 

[Razh]

talking about shitguy, he is only immune to his own poison due to his df right? If BB touches him, he would get poisoned. And the longer BB holds him, the more damage he will take.

Another thing to note is that Shiryyu, considered to be equal to Magellan, became BB's subordinate.

Magellan obviously isn't immune to his poison, just developed a high resistance. If he were immune he wouldn't be spending most of his life in the toilet.
Also, Blackbeard would have to be immune to poison in order to pull out that trick of yours since he would receive more and more poison as long as he held Magellan. He would just negate Magellan's ability to use poison, not the poison that is already out.

I fail to see your point about Shiryuu. Zoro is following Luffy and there isn't that much difference between them. I also can't imagine how Shiryuu would fare better than anyone else against Magellan. He would probably run rather than fight him.

Magellan is constantly soaked with poison when he fights. Anyone who touches him just shortens the battle and time starts working for Magellan. And there are also ranged attacks like hydras, balls and mist. Let's not forget the corroding poison either. Blackbeard would need a lot of luck to beat him even if he knew what to expect. It wouldn't be like with Ace. Magellan only needs one attack to land and we've seen how good Blackbeard is in avoiding attacks.

 

[Fox666]

I fail to see your point about Shiryuu. Zoro is following Luffy and there isn't that much difference between them. I also can't imagine how Shiryuu would fare better than anyone else against Magellan. He would probably run rather than fight him.

Magellan is constantly soaked with poison when he fights. Anyone who touches him just shortens the battle and time starts working for Magellan. And there are also ranged attacks like hydras, balls and mist. Let's not forget the corroding poison either. Blackbeard would need a lot of luck to beat him even if he knew what to expect. It wouldn't be like with Ace. Magellan only needs one attack to land and we've seen how good Blackbeard is in avoiding attacks.

Well, it was implied that Blackbeard is superior to Magellan, even if it hard to understand how he would beat Magellan.

It was implied by Shiryu, Magellan equal, being a subordinate to a "man of that caliber" and Shiryu commenting that Blackbeard underestimated Magellan.


And we don't know the extend of Blackbeard powers. We don't know if the gravity can block attacks or attack at distance, the battle with Ace didn't show much. Blackbeard is always picked under guard because he is really idiot, but that doesn't mean his Devil Fruit is limited. How does he survived that ultimate attack of Ace (the giant fire ball)? Surviving Magellan poison shall not be very different...


Edit: great, "Automerged Doublepost" deleted my entirely other message...

 

[Razh]

And we don't know the extend of Blackbeard powers. We don't know if the gravity can block attacks or attack at distance, the battle with Ace didn't show much. Blackbeard is always picked under guard because he is really idiot, but that doesn't mean his Devil Fruit is limited. How does he survived that ultimate attack of Ace (the giant fire ball)? Surviving Magellan poison shall not be very different...

Giant fire ball? That was probably sucked in by the black hole. Poison is different. If Blackbeard gets hit with it, the battle is over. We've seen how fast it acts. So far, in every fight against someone strong Blackbeard was hurt. Apart from sucking stuff in with darkness, there are no defensive abilities so far. Sucking in poison or other shit could work, but Blackbeard would have to have a perfect timing and would constantly have to be on the move. Just go back to first fight between Luffy and Magellan and check out Magellan's arsenal. It's just overwhelming. Nobody but logias has much chance against Magellan and that the reason I think he won't be coming out of Impel Down that fast.

It's the same as with Enel. He had to go somewhere far. If he went to sea there would be few people that could stop him.

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It was implied by Shiryu, Magellan equal, being a subordinate to a "man of that caliber" and Shiryu commenting that Blackbeard underestimated Magellan.

There's too much weight put on Shiryuu being "equal" to Magellan. Yeah, they had comparable strength right? Who do you think would have an advantage if they fought? One of them is a swordsman and the other spams various poison without end. Maybe Shiryuu could kill Magellan, but he would die pretty soon after.

Are you saying that Shiryuu saying to Blackbeard that he underestimated Magellan means that Blackbeard is supposed to be stronger? It just means that Blackbeard expected to beat him without much trouble. And he was wrong as we've seen.
A "man of that caliber"? It doesn't have to mean strength. What about leadership, guts? Are people drawn to Luffy because of his strength?