Game Fan League Discussion Thread

[javimgol]

Hoshi Hanabi works in Doubles?
Yagyyu's Gues Who it's for Doubles, I suppose,no?

 

[Kaoz]

Yes to both.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

okay, can we start r3 then?

 

[Kaoz]

If everyone agrees to Moujuu and Kajimoto's Pride effect being a Feat, theoretically yes.

Practically no though as I wanna edit the charatcers first. It's midnight here at the moment and I'm bound to screw something up when I do it now.

However, if you don't want to copy anything and can apply the changes for yourselves, feel free to send your line-up.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I like the old version of Moujuu better, honestly.

Although, I'm probably just biased in that regard.

 

[-Ken-]

Moujuu V2b [Aura]:
The User's highest stat is boosted by 6 points. If several stats tie for the highest, this boost is split equally amongst them.

I like this version better, when Kamio and Ishida use it, the most notable power up is their speed and power. As for Tachibana, he's all rounder, so it only make sense that nothing really get more clear with him.

 

[Kaoz]

Could you decide something for Moujuu please. So far Sai want V2a, Ken V2b and Kuwabra V1. I myself vote for V2b.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Also, I'd like for Kite to get some sort of boost. As he is now, even Hiyoshi/Momo/Kaidoh who cost WAY less than him can beat him 100% of the time.

Relative to his cost, it isn't fair. If Rin gets a boost, Kite getting one is also fair.

 

[Kaoz]

Big Bang is better now, isn't this enough improvement for now?
What would you like to see?

 

[-Ken-]

I don't know about Kite. Even after Rin getting a boost, he still can't fight him. Big bang got improved, isn't that like... enough? Character tier list right now is pretty accurate. Rin is truly 'E' because of his cost and the point that he can reach. Will see how far New Giant Habu will got him up.

 

[Kaoz]

I meant to ask this before, next season our teams could be rather unbalanced if we change things more. Do we want to repick the teams with everyone maybe choosing two characters from their team which they keep. Dunno, something like that.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

one thing bothering me about kite...

Kite (8, 6, 8, 6, 28) 27
All-rounder

He is an all-rounder. Yet, he is not very round!
DAMMIT THE OCD IN ME ANNOYS ME.
...Can we chance him to 7,7,7,7? It won't change his total points, it's just that I want him to have a nice OCD-friendly number lol.

...Not that I have OCD, but my point stands.

 

[Kaoz]

Eh, sure... I don't mind... anyone else?

 

[javimgol]

I meant to ask this before, next season our teams could be rather unbalanced if we change things more. Do we want to repick the teams with everyone maybe choosing two characters from their team which they keep. Dunno, something like that.

I was thinking exactly the same. And it's going to be good what are the players that every team want to keep. I would keep Golden Pair: first of all they are two of my favourite players (just after Niou and Atobe)and second, I can not deny it, they are awesome in the game

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one thing bothering me about kite...

Kite (8, 6, 8, 6, 28) 27
All-rounder

He is an all-rounder. Yet, he is not very round!
DAMMIT THE OCD IN ME ANNOYS ME.
...Can we chance him to 7,7,7,7? It won't change his total points, it's just that I want him to have a nice OCD-friendly number lol.

...Not that I have OCD, but my point stands.

If you want, no problem for me
And sorry, but, what is OCD?

 

[-Ken-]

It will be best if we repick character, with some option of keeping your own. I am neutral with Echizen, but Kin-chan is my favourite character in the entire series. His spot is just not clear. He only have real 2 match in the first manga, against Echizen and Yukimura, not really the best way to judge his true strength.

 

[javimgol]

How works both
-Quick Analysis [Feat]:
Feats, Effects and Auras that would make Irie’s points drop are negated.

-Total Control [Opening Effect]:
Unless the opponent has a Control of at least 15 he cannot use any effects or aura’s that increase his power, speed or spin. This effect cannot be copied.

VS
-Unpredictable [Feat]:
If the opponent would use a Feat or an Effect called ‘Data Tennis’, that Feat/Effect is negated. Also, Prediction's effect doesn't work against Niou

-Illusion [Effect]:
When playing Singles, Niou has to predict his opponent as well as a copyable ability.
If the prediction is correct, the copied ability is applied at 100% and the opponent's stats drop by 2 points each. If the prediction was wrong, the copied ability is applied at 50% and all of Niou's stats drop by 1.5 points. This Effect cannot be copied nor can it be negated.

??

Irie cancels TWICE Niou's effects, first with the Feat (Feats>Effects, remember), then with an Opening Effect. But Illusion "can not be negated"...

 

[-Ken-]

I dont know, but if it 'cannot use', then I guess the effect wouldn't be negate since it cannot even be used. But, I don't really know.

Pinnacle of Perfection need 'cannot be negate'. It doesn't make sense that Pinnacle of Great Wisdom can beat it, not even Yukimura's Yips can negate it.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

How works both
-Quick Analysis [Feat]:
Feats, Effects and Auras that would make Irie’s points drop are negated.

-Total Control [Opening Effect]:
Unless the opponent has a Control of at least 15 he cannot use any effects or aura’s that increase his power, speed or spin. This effect cannot be copied.

VS
-Unpredictable [Feat]:
If the opponent would use a Feat or an Effect called ‘Data Tennis’, that Feat/Effect is negated. Also, Prediction's effect doesn't work against Niou

-Illusion [Effect]:
When playing Singles, Niou has to predict his opponent as well as a copyable ability.
If the prediction is correct, the copied ability is applied at 100% and the opponent's stats drop by 2 points each. If the prediction was wrong, the copied ability is applied at 50% and all of Niou's stats drop by 1.5 points. This Effect cannot be copied nor can it be negated.

??

Irie cancels TWICE Niou's effects, first with the Feat (Feats>Effects, remember), then with an Opening Effect. But Illusion "can not be negated"...

Feat tries to negate Niou's effect. Niou doesn't let that happen.
His effect doesn't let Niou activate his effect period, so Irie wins.

...Not that it matters. You are already preparing for our match haha?
Mizuki would hit Irie, so his effect would get destroyed.

Niou would get boosted 15 points with Samurai Drive.
48.
Irie cannot negate Illusion, so he drops to 47. Mizuki makes Niou go up to 50 anyway.

...Of course, that is assuming that I can predict where you are throwing Irie. Haha, seriously though, little bit early to start preparing don't you think? Am I that scary?

 

[javimgol]

I dont know, but if it 'cannot use', then I guess the effect wouldn't be negate since it cannot even be used. But, I don't really know.

Pinnacle of Perfection need 'cannot be negate'. It doesn't make sense that Pinnacle of Great Wisdom can beat it, not even Yukimura's Yips can negate it.

That's key point, I think. The effect can not be used, so the chance of avoiding the cancelation that have Illusion or Shishido's Rising Shot, for example,doesn't exist. That effects (Illusion or Shishido's Rising)cancels the "cancelation" that the Canceling Effects do:Irie's Total Control,Akutsu's Sliding, Oni's Black Knive,Jiro or Bunta's Rising Shot, Reiji's Mirage,Billy's Shotgun,Itsuki's Sinker,Defensive or I Formation; or the drop of the points added that Inisight cause, for example.

The Feats that cancel (Irie's Analysis,Shiraishi's Bible,Kite's Hitman,Gin's Hadoukyyu Master,Koharu's Data Tennis,Amane's Long Racket) ,and Yips (who should be Feat,Aura or Opening Effect, but non just an usual Effect), IMAO, can stop whatever Effect. Even if they have in their description "this effect can not be cancelled".As I said, that "this effect can not be cancelled" work VS all of the Effects I stated before.The Feat simply doesn't permit the Effects to activate

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Feat tries to negate Niou's effect. Niou doesn't let that happen.
His effect doesn't let Niou activate his effect period, so Irie wins.

...Not that it matters. You are already preparing for our match haha?
Mizuki would hit Irie, so his effect would get destroyed.

Niou would get boosted 15 points with Samurai Drive.
48.
Irie cannot negate Illusion, so he drops to 47. Mizuki makes Niou go up to 50 anyway.

...Of course, that is assuming that I can predict where you are throwing Irie. Haha, seriously though, little bit early to start preparing don't you think? Am I that scary?

IMAO, as I said in my post, both Irie and Shiraishi cancel Illusion (but not Mizuki's Data), because they cancel by FEATS. The Effect never happened.
If you destroy the papers with the design of an Unstoppable Armor, it doesn't care if Armor is impossible to be destroyed, because it would have never been created

 

[Kaoz]

How works both
-Quick Analysis [Feat]:
Feats, Effects and Auras that would make Irie’s points drop are negated.

-Total Control [Opening Effect]:
Unless the opponent has a Control of at least 15 he cannot use any effects or aura’s that increase his power, speed or spin. This effect cannot be copied.

VS
-Unpredictable [Feat]:
If the opponent would use a Feat or an Effect called ‘Data Tennis’, that Feat/Effect is negated. Also, Prediction's effect doesn't work against Niou

-Illusion [Effect]:
When playing Singles, Niou has to predict his opponent as well as a copyable ability.
If the prediction is correct, the copied ability is applied at 100% and the opponent's stats drop by 2 points each. If the prediction was wrong, the copied ability is applied at 50% and all of Niou's stats drop by 1.5 points. This Effect cannot be copied nor can it be negated.

??

Irie cancels TWICE Niou's effects, first with the Feat (Feats>Effects, remember), then with an Opening Effect. But Illusion "can not be negated"...

If an Effect states it cannot be negated, it can't. Period.