Canon Shanks vs Mihawk

[shinsengumi]

i think the answer is just in front of every one of us but some people dont want to accept it.
i can write a paragraph as long as it can take but for now i just want to point out one thing ;
Blackbeard didnt give a damn about Sengoku or Garp or the Admirals or the Shichibukai (including Mihawk) or the remaining WB pirates or the marines BUT he backed down as soon as he had RED HAIR PIRATES as the enemy ..i'm sure some people can still debate as to Red Hair Pırates doesnt equal Shanks but do you really think Blackbeard would take any1 seriously other than Shanks? would any1 in that crew actually make a difference for BB ? get real please ..
The conclusion is so obvious that it hurts my eyes , Shanks and Mihawk are not equals or not on equal grounds , Shanks is a fu***ng beast only second to WB...Eventhough Mihawk is an amazing Shichibukai he is no match for Shanks in anyway..

 

[Fox666]

Blackbeard left because Sengoku agreed to not fight. Blackbeard didn't wanted to fight at all, as he said, he got what he wanted (Gura Gura no Mi)...

 

[damane08]

Blackbeard left because Sengoku agreed to not fight. Blackbeard didn't wanted to fight at all, as he said, he got what he wanted (Gura Gura no Mi)...

actually he also said that: it's not time to fight shanks yet

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When did haoshoku, the ability the marines shit themselves over and put Akainu into murderous freight train mode, translate to an ability that only KOs underlings?

It's certainly not an auto-win, but ruling it out as only for knocking out fodder is ridiculous. If that's all it did, then why would Doberman need to warn his men to take Luffy seriously? They had already withstood the fodder blast, what more would they have needed to be cautious of?

I totally agree with you there man.
I can't bring myself to accept that that's all it can do, luffy released it unconsciously and it knocked out quite a few weaker marines but what would gaining true control over his haki be capable of doing?

there is no way i'm going to believe that that's all there is to it, if that's it then luffy should just get the haki that the gorgon sisters have (i obviously mean the two younger sisters), at least he would be able to predict the movements of everyone else.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/50/11/

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/50/12/

it clearly says mihawk, not shanks.

 

[St Michael]

Nonsense.

Mihawk is strong , that's a fact. But come on , being "the best swordman is the world" is waaaay different that "stronger than every single dude carrying a sword."

Even the best jiu jitsu master will loose against a lambda jiu jitsu user if the later hold a shotgun.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

shanks is a swordsman, but oda wrote that mihawk is worlds strongest.

sure shanks is extremely strong, no doubt about that, but mihawk is even stronger

sorry to dissapoint the shanks fan-club but its the truth.

 

[damane08]

shanks is a swordsman, but oda wrote that mihawk is worlds strongest.

sure shanks is extremely strong, no doubt about that, but mihawk is even stronger

sorry to dissapoint the shanks fan-club but its the truth.

dude you are delusional! no better way to put it, shanks fan club? not even close, we are logical thinkers, simple as that.

I'll try to explain something that even you can understand. Mihawk uses a sword and is said to be the greatest swordsman in the world of OP.

Rayleigh uses a sword as well, if you say that Mihawk is stronger than Rayleigh then there is no hope for you. Hell, we've even seen Kizaru use a sword, going by your logic, he's stronger than Kizaru too? the moment that Mihawk was held back by Vista I lost all hope for him.
If you sit there and tell me that Shanks would be held back by one of WB division captains, no hope......

 

[St Michael]

It's not about being a fan.

I hate them both.

Your logic is full of flaw. Shanks main fighting style is probably haki. His swordman skill is a bonus.

Maybe Mihawk would defeat Red Hair in a swordman contest. But it's unlikely that Shanks would limit himself like that in a serious fight.

 

[shinsengumi]

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/50/11/

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/50/12/

it clearly says mihawk, not shanks.

bwahahahahahaha come on guysssssssssss !!!!!!
still going with this arguement is nothing more than silly
A half-assed old man who only spend 1 year in grand line and left said so in the fu***ng 50th chapter ,now we are close to 500 for god's sake.
i'm begging you all, please ,in that page just check how those people hyped Mihawk ----> A man who can destroy 50 ships by himself is this the level of things nowadays?
a man's word from east blue (or west i dunno,i dun care) is so strong that it can not be shaken even in the face of Sengoku,Garp,Admirals or BB..
in fact it is me who is sorry to dissapoint all Mihawk fans (for i am one too,just not as much as blindly-idolizing) but this last chapter gives all the proof you can ever imagine

 

[BlackHair]

Mihawk is strong , that's a fact. But come on , being "the best swordman is the world" is waaaay different that "stronger than every single dude carrying a sword."

Get it straight. Mwk title says that he is the best swordsman among swordsmen. Every dude who is carrying a sword is NOT a swordsman.

Your logic is full of flaw. Shanks main fighting style is probably haki. His swordman skill is a bonus.

There is no thing as "haki man" for gods sake. Haki is a boost/support skill. There are several hints in the manga saying that Shanks is a swordsman.


About 580, the way I see it: The Marines who archived their goal were still lusting after blood. BB who got WB's fruit was even asking for more. The fact that he thought he could take down the Marines (Sengoku, Garp.. ) with just a few men is more than a joke. The one who was able to stop this massacre was Shanks. He was able to beat some sense into the Marines and BB, by just with his presence (kings haki) and smooth words. No one was afraid of anyone. Everyone archived their goal, except the Whitebeard pirates.

Anyway about Mwk who backed down, to me it seems he lost interest in this battle. He even lost interest in Shanks before this arc, so I don't see why he should fight Shanks now. Especially in this battlefield, which is chaotic and in which a 1vs 1 is hardly possible.

@shinsengumi: Just stop laughing and try to post some arguments.

 

[Schabrak]

in fact it is me who is sorry to dissapoint all Mihawk fans (for i am one too,just not as much as blindly-idolizing) but this last chapter gives all the proof you can ever imagine

A man who can destroy 50 ships by himself is this the level of things nowadays?

I don't understand your reasoning. What have your tried to achieve by mentioning Mihawks destruction of Creeks fleet? That was the best way Oda could add emphasis back than and showing his title later on, has just shown what a experienced swordsman would be able to do later on.

Should he go raid villages? Destroy a thousand ships to make you happy? Your logic fails hard here.

And where is the evidence you are talking about?

 

[BlackHair]

Rayleigh uses a sword as well, if you say that Mihawk is stronger than Rayleigh then there is no hope for you. Hell, we've even seen Kizaru use a sword, going by your logic, he's stronger than Kizaru too? the moment that Mihawk was held back by Vista I lost all hope for him.
If you sit there and tell me that Shanks would be held back by one of WB division captains, no hope......

What on earth makes you think that Shanks would beat any of the top division commanders in 3 seconds? Rayleigh as a swordsman would lose to Mihawk, as simple as that. That guy left the sea for ages now. He is beyond his prime and not active.

Swordsman are those who are using swordmanship as their primary fighting skill. Going by that, Kizaru is not a swordsman. He can use a sword and seems to have a decent swordsmanship, but that doesn't make him a swordsman. Otherwise Roger and Nightmare Luffy would be also one.

 

[shinsengumi]

I don't understand your reasoning. What have your tried to achieve by mentioning Mihawks destruction of Creeks fleet? That was the best way he could add emphasis back than and showing his title later on, has just shown what a experienced swordsman would be able to do later on.

Should he go raid villages? Destroy a thousand ships to make you happy? Your logic fails hard here.

And where is the evidence you are talking about?

well the problem is, i wrote that post as an answer to another but before i could post ,other posts came between us and we lost connection.

i edited and added "quote" for why i mentioned what. people are still using those pages as the strongest documentary for Mihawk's strenght and i just said, "they are all old news from out side of grand line which can not be taken so seriously nowadays" that was the whole point of that post.some fodders hyping Mihawk as the strongest swordsman doesnt mean anything.i dont mean to insult cheff zedd but even his words dont mean anything for he is a guy who could only spend 1 year in grand line..those people know nothing of the real world pirates so their words in the 50th chapter dont hold any value..
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where is the evidence i am talking about?

before Shanks came
quote from the page -
BB- How d'you like it Sengoku the Budha ..Garp the Hero? .. You think you can stop me ? Whitebeard's age is over and your age ends here as wee

after Shanks came

just check BB's blank face .. and his reasoning "i have got what i came here for" is just an excuse ... he'd already got what he came for before he started the rampage over the marines so why did he stop all of a sudden?

Spoiler: Quote from my previous post because im too lazy to re-type it

Blackbeard didnt give a damn about Sengoku or Garp or the Admirals or the Shichibukai (including Mihawk) or the remaining WB pirates or the marines BUT he backed down as soon as he had RED HAIR PIRATES as the enemy ..i'm sure some people can still debate as to Red Hair Pırates doesnt equal Shanks but do you really think Blackbeard would take any1 seriously other than Shanks? would any1 in that crew actually make a difference for BB ? get real please ..

and after saying all of these , my point is "noone in the battlefield gave a damn to Mihawk ,he was just another soldier but the moment Shanks set his feet on the scene , both the marines and the BB pirates changed their behaviour and took his words seriously... how can people still value Mihawk equaly as Shanks is beyond me ...

@shinsengumi: Just stop laughing and try to post some arguments.

i already did my friend.instead of just a peek ,try reading next time otherwise you wont be able to see

 

[BlackHair]

and after saying all of these , my point is "noone in the battlefield gave a damn to Mihawk ,he was just another soldier but the moment Shanks set his feet on the scene , both the marines and the BB pirates changed their behaviour and took his words seriously... how can people still value Mihawk equaly as Shanks is beyond me ...

It seems you don't get the meaning of being a Yonko. Shanks was there with his mighty crew, not alone. You rly think forces like BB-Pirates or the MHQ would take Shanks seriously if he would stand there alone? All he did was smooth talking, he beat some senses into those braid dead ppl on the battlefield. Nothing more. No-one was afraid of anyone.

BB was picking a fight with Garp and Sengoku but backed down after RedHair pirates. But can we take BB seriously? No we can't. That guy is a wild card, he thinks to high of himself. Anyway, this thread is about a fair 1vs1 between Shanks and Mwk, not Red-Hair Pirates vs Mihawk.

i already did my friend.instead of just a peek ,try reading next time otherwise you wont be able to see

If posts starts with hahah Mihawk fans.. etc I won't take them seriously. Im sure you understand my point. Regardless, I apologize for my one line sentence.

 

[Schabrak]

What has Blackbeard to do in a discussion about Mihawk and Shanks? BB never inteded to stay there for long, just to create some more stress for the marines, by destroying their HQ, showing off his power.

noone in the battlefield gave a damn to Mihawk

They did, Oda did just not show him so often, using him to introduce Vista, test Luffy for a bit. This wasn't a war between the Shichibukai and some other faction. They were just their to support the marines and did so. So Doflamingo, Boa, Kuma, everybody is weak, because they weren't shown for 16 pages straight?

They did follow Shanks order? Because he is another damn Yonkou, still full of health and had his Crew in back-up. [power of a Yonkou = crew != single person] Mihawk on the other hand, never intended to create a bloody massacre in the war and so did restrain himself most of the time.

 

[St Michael]

Talking about fear is pointless here. Mihawk isn't that kind.

Anyway Black Hair , you quoted me about the "haki fighting style" thing.
I'll explain what I meant ;

Maybe that there's no such things as a haki fighting style , as the way you think of it. I have no clue.

But , I'm talking about facts here , and it's very likely that the first strong point of Shanks is his King's Haki mastery. Of course he seems rather competent with a blade also ..

 

[BlackHair]

Agreed Schabrak. Oda is saving Mihawk for his battle with Zoro. He can't let him go all out, since that would be plot wise a damn failure of Oda. There is a reason why Mwk is going without any sweet and scratches out of the battlefield.

St Michael, Im not denying Shanks kings haki. But having control over it doesn't make him automatically stronger than Mihawk. Let me quote Bittman's post for that. Explains very well my thoughts.

Shanks has a sword (tool) + haki (tool). Mihawk has a sword (tool). This doesn't mean Shanks is 2x more powerful, it just means he has two tools. Zoro has three swords (3 x tools), doesn't make him 3x more powerful than Mihawk.

WB's title puts him stronger than any man. Mwk title puts him stronger than any swordsman.
It is a simple hierarchy, anyone using a swordsmanship as their primary skill should be inferior to Mwk.

Also my reason for saying Haki is not a fighting style on its own: Haki alone is worthless against strong/equal opponents. It can be only used in addition with another fighting style. That said, Shanks with his haki will still use swordsmanship as his primary style, however everything imbued with haki.

 

[shinsengumi]

It seems you don't get the meaning of being a Yonko. Shanks was there with his mighty crew, not alone. You rly think forces like BB-Pirates or the MHQ would take Shanks seriously if he would stand there alone? All he did was smooth talking, he beat some senses into those braid dead ppl on the battlefield. Nothing more.

but you also miss the point of -non of them is standing there alone- all the crews cancel each other out and the head guys stand as the real battle force.. all shanks did wasnt only smooth talking - he challanged both sides at the same time to take every single one of them down.this is a threat and if it held no value, noone would care to stop as they would "STFU" on Shanks face.

No-one was afraid of anyone. BB was picking a fight with Garp and Sengoku but backed down after RedHair pirates. But can we take BB seriously? No we can't. That guy is a wild card, he thinks to high of himself.

first of all, i didnt mean they shit their pants anyway..but his impact on the scene is unquestionable. and BB's wildness is so much more reason to exalt Shanks power because noone else could stop that wild card's rampage..neither sengoku nor garp but shanks !!

If posts starts with hahah Mihawk fans.. etc I won't take them seriously. Im sure you understand my point. Regardless, I apologize for my one line sentence.

i should apologize back too.normally those kind of posts annoy me too,i just lost myself for a second because i was literally laughing that much in reality so i felt the need to express it

 

[Zehahaha]

It seems you don't get the meaning of being a Yonko. Shanks was there with his mighty crew, not alone. You rly think forces like BB-Pirates or the MHQ would take Shanks seriously if he would stand there alone? All he did was smooth talking, he beat some senses into those braid dead ppl on the battlefield. Nothing more. No-one was afraid of anyone.

You guys are really underestimating the Yonkou in general, you think that the Yonkou are all about their crew, sure thing that a crew is important, but a leader is more ! And that war showed us that WB was more a threat than his crew and allies, he alone did the most damage to the marines, something that not his commanders, nor allies could do... If Golden Leo alone was taken seriously by Garp and Sengoku back at the time, and that their fight caused the destruction of half of marinford, then yeah, Shanks would be taken seriously into consideration too, really seriously.

I think that you guys are underestimating Shanks, and overestimating Mihawk, sure he's the strongest swordsman, but after Vista kinda fought against him, i lost hope for him, I don't know if they were both serious, but if a commander can keep with him like that, can't imagine if he can defeat a Yonkou. But anyway, this exemple means nothing, as long as we don't see a real fight of Mihawk, or Shanks, we can't judge between these two i believe, the two of them were overhyped by Oda, and at this level, we can't really judge who's the strongest between them.

 

[BlackHair]

but you also miss the point of -non of them is standing there alone- all the crews cancel each other out and the head guys stand as the real battle force.. all shanks did wasnt only smooth talking - he challanged both sides at the same time to take every single one of them down.this is a threat and if it held no value, noone would care to stop as they would "STFU" on Shanks face.

first of all, i didnt mean they shit their pants anyway..but his impact on the scene is unquestionable. and BB's wildness is so much more reason to exalt Shanks power because noone else could stop that wild card's rampage..neither sengoku nor garp but shanks !!

The MHQ were exhausted, the WB pirates were exhausted and even the BB pirates were hurt. The Redhair pirates were healthy and ready to go. I think Shanks reputation for peace and stuff is not a unknown matter. BB was able to calm down because of theses things. And for fact that he would lose against so many high tiers (marines, wb pirates, red hair pirates). Not saying everyone would turn against him, but ppl of each forces would face BB.

Everyone except the WB pirates went crazy on this battlefield. Lusting for more blood. Shanks with his peace nature + kings haki + healthy crew was able to bring them back. Shanks did threatened both sides, but as said, Shanks reputation should be no secret. I think everyone knew by just his presence that it was time to end this massacre. So I repeat once again, no one was in any way afraid to go against Red-Hair pirates. They just accepted the fact, that everyone got what they wanted (except WB pirates) and there is no need for more. <- Shanks own words.

Zehahaha, WB is the strongest. No question about that. However even he with his power couldn't take one major threat down (Admirals, Shichi). Crushing the MHQ building is worthless. Any other strong character should be able to do that too. Even while Shanks and WB are called Yonko, Shanks is not his equal!

It is not about leading the biggest army, it is about leading the strongest army. Golden Leo lead a armada, but maybe except for him (I didn't watch the movie yet) the crew or alliance was worthless. Another example would be Don Crieg, he also lead a army, but everyone, the captain included were weak. While in Shanks and in WB's crew are hyped characters, capable to fight on par with Admirals and without doubt on hight tier lvl. Im not underestimating the Yonko, they are beasts for sure. So are other Guys.

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Also you are underestimating Vista and the other top commanders. They were portrayed to be able to fight Admirals equally. They are high tier themselves, even WB wouldn't be able to beat them in a few seconds (at most a minute). That was as much time Mwk had with vista. Mwk is without doubt strong, after all he is the last goal of one of the protagonists. Thus Oda couldn't let him go all out. With all that, I rly can't follow ur opinion on that: "after Vista kinda fought against him, i lost hope for him"