Life What happens when you die?

[Charlie]

No there was no sarcasm and if it seemed like such it wasn't intended. I just hoped that lady will be able to live a decent life after going through such an ordeal.

Now back to topic.

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

Now back to topic.

of course here we go again .

[In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

24. And they say: "What is there but our life in this world? We shall die and we live, and nothing but time can destroy us." But of that they have no knowledge: they merely conjecture:

25. And when Our Clear Signs are rehearsed to them their argument is nothing but this: They say, "Bring (back) our forefathers, if what ye say is true!"

26. Say: "It is Allah Who gives you life, then gives you death; then He will gather you together for the Day of Judgment about which there is no doubt": But most men do not understand. ]

quran clearly says that the disbelievers have no basis for their denial of life after death .

god will have all the dead resurrected for judgement . as he created everything he is capable of managing its end. the end of days will come when the whole creations will be destroyed and then the dead will be resurrected to stand before god. that day will be the beginning of a life that will never end, and on that day every person will be rewarded by god according to his or her good or evil deeds.

the expalanation of quran to the necessity of life after death matchs the moral consciousness of man . then, if there is no life after death, the very belief in god becomes meaningless or even if one believes in god, it wouldnt be right and indifferent god, having once created man and now not being concerned with his fate.

 

[Bigall]

If a person dies, nothing happens. The world simply ends for that person... That is how important one life is...

 

[Charlie]

In that sense.... you can only take with you, what you were born with, when you passover.

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

If a person dies, nothing happens. The world simply ends for that person... That is how important one life is...

just wondering , if you actualy believe that , why would you be afraid of death , is it instinct inside of you saying what if relegion is actualy true , absolutley you'll doubt your existentialism belief as well just like you doubted the credibility of relegion .

if what you re saying is true then human values is nothing , if you say humans evolved from apes then morality shouldnt exist .
where did morals come from ? as we all know animals dont have morals , if you say inteligence alone makes us what we are , then that is wrong , because what makes us humans is our inteligence plus our feelings .

again where did morals come from ?

 

[Drmke]

just wondering , if you actualy believe that , why would you be afraid of death , is it instinct inside of you saying what if relegion is actualy true

Well let's just say that there is no afterlife whatsoever. Why wouldn't you be afraid to die? You would. Not because you think you are going to get punished for eternity, but because you know you will simply cease to exist. For every living being, especially humans since we can use our minds to think about the distant future, this is a terrifying thought. Even animals, who at least the Abrahamic religions say have no souls still fear death because they know that is the end of them.

again where did morals come from ?

Well, once again let's just assume there is no afterlife or God so that we can talk about the point of view from an Atheistic stance since we know the basic beliefs of religions on this subject, they would simply come as a species gets more intelligent. Many species of animals have a few morals. Like birds that mate for life and take care of their children till they are ready to leave the nest. Would not be considered moral by human standards (at least today's since most people think you should get married and raise your kids)? Nearly all animals feel more compassion for a member of their own species and especially for ones closely blood related to them. Its a natural occurrence.

Of course, you can always point out that God made life that way so that it would developed morals to his (or her ) liking.

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

Well, once again let's just assume there is no afterlife or God so that we can talk about the point of view from an Atheistic stance since we know the basic beliefs of religions on this subject, they would simply come as a species gets more intelligent. Many species of animals have a few morals. Like birds that mate for life and take care of their children till they are ready to leave the nest. Would not be considered moral by human standards (at least today's since most people think you should get married and raise your kids)? Nearly all animals feel more compassion for a member of their own species and especially for ones closely blood related to them. Its a natural occurrence.

Of course, you can always point out that God made life that way so that it would developed morals to his (or her ) liking.

i tend to believe that animals act according to instinct . and animals do kill each other , the survival conflict , if we humans start acting based on this god knows what whats gonna happen .

i tried to point out before that if we came from apes , and only our intelligence evolved , then we should not have morals . so morals are connected to the soul .

and let me say that the origin of spicies is what caused people to start thinking they are better than some , where did racism come from ? and nazism its because of this that wars started .

 

[Drmke]

We can debate morality forever but this is not really the place for that but allow me one more off topic post

and let me say that the origin of spicies is what caused people to start thinking they are better than some , where did racism come from ? and nazism its because of this that wars started .

First of all, people have thought they were be better than others since the dawn of time. Kings from all throughout the ages thought they were above their "lowly peasants". Almost every single civilization kept slaves whom they thought themselves better than. Hatred towards other humans is nothing new. Hell, the Christians and Muslims fought for centuries over various pieces of land. Racism spews out of this belief.

The Nazis had a twisted version of Christianity mixed with a sort of pseudo-religion. Hitler believed in the Christian god, which he references many times in his writings, and he also believed the Germans to be the master race, and that God gave them the right to take whatever land they wanted.

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

i found this

Spoiler

hitler :
We see before us the Aryan race which is manifestly
the bearer of all culture, the true representative of
all humanity....Our entire industrial science is without
exception the work of Nordics. All great composers from
Beethoven to Richard Wagner are Aryans....Man owes
everything that is of any importance to the principle
of struggle and to one race which has carried itself
forward successfully. Take away the Nordic Germans and
nothing remains but the dance of apes.
Hitler and Animals

Like many of his fellow human beings, Adolf Hitler used
animal epithets to vilify other people. He often called his
opponents "swine" and "dirty dogs." The Bolsheviks were
"animals," and the Russians a "bestial people" and Slavic
"rabbit-family" whom Stalin had molded into a totalitarian
state. After Hitler conquered Russia, he wanted "the
ridiculous hundred million Slavs" to live in "pig-pens." He
called British diplomats "little worms," and, as for the
"half-Judaized, half-Negrified" people of America, they "have
the brains of a hen." Hitler hadpolic contempt for his own people,
referring to them as "the great stupid mutton-herd of our
sheep-like people," and when the defeats mounted late in the
war, he blamed them for not having risen to the challenge.
Hitler called his own sisters "stupid geese."

Spoiler

National socialism whatever else it may have been was ultimately the first fully self conscious attempt to orgnize a political community on a basis of expilicit biopolicy,
a biopolicy fully congrevents with the scientific facts of the darwinism revolution
George Stein
american scientist

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

As a Christian, I believe that when we die, we cease to exist. People may get confused to read that but it is what makes sense. Yet, it does not mean that eternal life will not come.

Indeed, Christians tend to forget that it was never said in the Bible that after the death comes heavens or hell. What was said was that after the end of the world, we will come back to life and be judged by God. That's at this time, and not when we die, that heavens or hell will come. So, if you think about it, when you're dead, you do not exist and you do not live.

Yes, it was stated in the Bible that we cannot live without our body. That's why when will come the day to come back to life, there will be the ressurection of the body (remember the resurrection of Lazare). Christians should remind that their credo is the ressurection of the flesh after the apocalypse, and not the life just after their death.
If you think about it, that is what makes death have a meaning. It's because we die after the death, and not that we come back to life instantaneously elsewhere, that it is important.

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

If you think about it, that is what makes death have a meaning. It's because we die after the death, and not that we come back to life instantaneously elsewhere, that it is important.

i didnt meet your logic , you die then you die a second time ?

 

[blai]

I think he means that when we die, we die, we don't instantly get reborn.

 

[Charlie]

I think he means that when we die, we die, we don't instantly get reborn.

Correct me if I wrong here. I think being reborn is Buddhist belief.

The general Christian belief is that you either go to heaven or hell when you die.

Although I'm not sure about the beliefs of other religions per-se, when it comes to passing on.

 

[blai]

Yes, it's present in both Buddhism and Hinduism. :-)

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

The general Christian belief is that you either go to heaven or hell when you die.

meaning there is no judgement day ?

 

[Charlie]

meaning there is no judgment day ?

I'm not sure if there is judgment immediately after you die. I don't recall enough on that. I assume if your sent to heaven or hell someone has to decide your guilt or not. So I presumes there is some-kind of Judgment.

The one other thing is, with the return of the Messiah. Everyone gets judged. But going into that is off topic so we have to drop that subject.

 

[Drmke]

As far as what the majority of Christians think what happens when you die (this is way we can swing it back on topic ), the belief is that when you die, your soul goes to be judged by God in which he will go over your life with you there, and after he is done, he will then decide whether or not you are sent to heaven or hell. What Christians call Judgement Day is a completely separate event. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, it has been awhile since I went to church

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

if you say that every person will be judged seperatly and immediatly after he dies meaning that the circle of life should continue , in otherwords there is no need for the world to end , and the earth and humans should exist to infinity .
but i see everything in this world points out that there will be an end .

 

[Isogi]

As someone mentioned earlier, what we know as a scientific truth can be explained fairly simply. Eventually our bodies decay and the chemicals and nutrients will be dispersed to provide continued life in our physical absence. Our physical presence is no different than any other living being's presence, and death gives birth to life.

Beyond that is speculation that only one's own religion or beliefs can provide the answers to. I personally don't like to dwell on the meaning of my own death and what happens after. I find the world that we presently live in to be of my utmost concern, and what happens after my death to be secondary.

 

[Animeace]

Everything goes dark you cease to exist...