Discussion Where in Impel Down would you throw them?

Lord Rayleigh · Oct 18, 2009

Razh said:
I really hate that facepalm. You know why? Because people always use it wrong.

Luffy was half dead and about to die. They just threw him in a cell and didn't even bother to put cuffs on him. Can you wrap your brain around it for a second?
Do you honestly believe that Luffy would end up in level 5 if he was in better condition, like, not almost dead? The guy who has beaten two Shichibukai, declared war to World Government, caused destruction of Enies Lobby, the end of CP9 and finally punched Tenryuubito out of his boots. That's like most severe crime that anyone can do in WG.

No, I just realized, he wouldn't go to level 6, he would have been executed asap.

I knew you were going to say that but think about it, Luffy was beat in LVL 4 by Magellan who was certain that he was about to die and Magellan decided to send him to LVL 5. Why did he not let him die in LVL 4 which was under control if he just thought that he only needed a place to die ? That leads me to think he decided to send him into the appropriate LVL.
So, I still think that Magellan's choice reflects in what LVL Magellan would have sent the " ID " Luffy anyway.
You know, two leaders of the revolutionary army were in lvl 5 despite the fact at least one of them - Ivankov - is a world famous criminal - as we have seen in ID and in the last chapters -. The only ones we know and who were in LVL 6 were two ex-Shichibukai and an ex-Head of ID (thus traitors that must disappear from history) and the most important prisoner of ID, Ace. And about the 3 pirates whose names were revealed, we don't know anything.
And thus I still think that your affirmation without any argument that what Luffy only did in EL makes him go straight to LVL 6 deserves a facepalm. That is not obvious at all.

RichardMNixon · Oct 18, 2009

Razh said:
I really hate that facepalm. You know why? Because people always use it wrong.

Luffy was half dead and about to die. They just threw him in a cell and didn't even bother to put cuffs on him. Can you wrap your brain around it for a second?
Do you honestly believe that Luffy would end up in level 5 if he was in better condition, like, not almost dead? The guy who has beaten two Shichibukai, declared war to World Government, caused destruction of Enies Lobby, the end of CP9 and finally punched Tenryuubito out of his boots. That's like most severe crime that anyone can do in WG.

No, I just realized, he wouldn't go to level 6, he would have been executed asap.

Well Ace was waiting for an execution in level 6. Luffy was executed ASAP, with poison. They just didn't expect the miracle man. Beating on Schichibukai and Tenryuubito and destroying Enies Lobby does seem like level 6 material though. There were quite a number of people on level 6 and, I can't imagine how that many could have done much worse than Luffy.

Razh · Oct 18, 2009

@LR
I'm here to discuss normally. If you want to bring up hostility in me, then feel free to use that stupid facepalm. But I should remind you, that's no way to contribute to discussions.

RichardMNixon said:
Beating on Schichibukai and Tenryuubito and destroying Enies Lobby does seem like level 6 material though. There were quite a number of people on level 6 and, I can't imagine how that many could have done much worse than Luffy.

That's exactly my point. Luffy alone made WG and Marines look like incompetent fools.
If all those guys down there did worse things than he did, then WG and Marines wouldn't have any reputation at all any more.

Poneglyph420 · Oct 18, 2009

Based on what Luffy has done up til now he would most likely be deemed too dangerous to be kept alive. If I had to choose at this point he'd probably be sent to level five. We have to remember many of the SH victories have been due to support. Enies Lobby is a good example of that. Also events like the Thriller Bark events have been suppressed from the public. Also Luffy is still a rookie and the WG works on perceived image a lot. I think that after this arc if Ace is saved, Luffy might "graduate"

As the Capt. of the SH Luffy's name carries the weight of more than his actions alone. But is that what constitutes a Lvl 6 prisoner??

Diablos · Oct 19, 2009

Btw do you really think Rayleigh could be sent into jail? I mean he escaped from those handcuffs and the jail in the action house without breaking sweat.. Making him be in ID would be an even bigger danger for the WG...

Also Luffy and Robin are definitely 6 lvl, well Robin was supose to be exterminated already so would be expecting her in death row.. Luffy has rocked the world from Ennies Lobby till breaking of ID and he done alot meanwhile that..and he's the son of Dragon... which would put him in the almost same spot that Ace is now..

Razh · Oct 19, 2009

Well, the fact that some events have been hidden from public means nothing. The public doesn't decide on which levels the prisoners will be placed.
And after all that Luffy cause, I'm sure he would be thrown to level 6 in normal circumstances. What else does a guy need to do? If all those prisoners in level 6 did worse shit then Luffy, then how come WG still exists?

kkck · Oct 19, 2009

Razh said:
I really hate that facepalm. You know why? Because people always use it wrong.

Luffy was half dead and about to die. They just threw him in a cell and didn't even bother to put cuffs on him. Can you wrap your brain around it for a second?
Do you honestly believe that Luffy would end up in level 5 if he was in better condition, like, not almost dead? The guy who has beaten two Shichibukai, declared war to World Government, caused destruction of Enies Lobby, the end of CP9 and finally punched Tenryuubito out of his boots. That's like most severe crime that anyone can do in WG.

No, I just realized, he wouldn't go to level 6, he would have been executed asap.

Wel, ivankov was a revolutionary leader in dragons army which means a declaration of war on his part was implied. He was also claimed kuma used to fear him which means he is that strong(as in he could defeat or fight on par with shichibukai). Being a leader in dragons army also means ivankov has taken direct part in liberating nations from the WG(which I would think is comparable or even greater than what luffy did at least to ennies lobby). He also took an important part in the escape from ID. Ivankov seems a lot stronger than luffy and his feats could match to luffy's and the guy still was a measly level 5 prisoner. Luffy does not cut it for level 6 even after all he has done IMHO(mostly in terms of fighting power though).

Razh · Oct 19, 2009

kkck said:
Wel, ivankov was a revolutionary leader in dragons army which means a declaration of war on his part was implied. He was also claimed kuma used to fear him which means he is that strong(as in he could defeat or fight on par with shichibukai). Being a leader in dragons army also means ivankov has taken direct part in liberating nations from the WG(which I would think is comparable or even greater than what luffy did at least to ennies lobby). He also took an important part in the escape from ID. Ivankov seems a lot stronger than luffy and his feats could match to luffy's and the guy still was a measly level 5 prisoner. Luffy does not cut it for level 6 even after all he has done IMHO(mostly in terms of fighting power though).

We don't actually know of any feats that Ivankov has done. I don't know why thw WG put him on level 5, but seeing how he deals with Kuma, they obviously miscalculated.
Yes, they can miscalculate. Remember that they didn't even know that Buggy has a devil fruit and put him on level 1. That's a serious oversight, when you look at the consequences.
So we can't really say that Luffy wouldn't go to level 6 just because Ivankov didn't go to level 6, because we don't know the circumstances in which he ended up in prison or what exactly WG knew about him, beside being a high ranking revolutionary. Also, it's possible that Luffy did more damage to WG than Ivankov did in his whole life.

deffkryz · Oct 19, 2009

kkck said:
The purpose of this thread is very simple. Just name any character you like and say what in what level of ID would you put them according to their strength, skill, bounty and threat level. I do want to point out that bounties are not everything, skill and strength should be the most important thing when discussing this.

'kay - then I just throw in my list: :XD

Level 1:
- Jango
- Nefertari Vivi
- Porsche
- Hamburger
- Kiwi
- Mozu
- Mohji
- Kabaji
- Spandam
- Spandine
- Helmeppo
- Conis
Level 2:
- Usopp
- Hatchan
- Chopper
- Nami
- Foxy
- Zanbai
- Tashigi
- Coby
- Laki
Level 3:
- Kuro
- Kuroobi
- Chew
- Kalifa
- Fukurou
- Perona
- Pipley Lulu
- Tilestone
- Paula/Miss Doublefinger
- Gan Fall
- Gedatsu
- Pell
Level 4:
- Brook
- Pauly
- Bruno
- Rockstar
- Bentham/Mister 2/Bon Kurei
- Ohm
- Shura
- Yama
Level 5:
- Zoro (if he escapes, he rather will end up in Level 6 all by himself)
- Sanji ("regular version" - as strong as Zoro)
- Marco (maybe Level 6 - mostly because of his DF power)
- Jozu (maybe Level 6 - mostly because of his strength)
- Franky (because as Tom's scholar)
- Icebarge (because as Tom's scholar)
- Hogback (his laugh my penetrate Levels 1-3)
- Dadan (from what we know he seems pretty skilled and strong)
- Gecko Moria (by far the weakest shichibukai, his DF powers can be controlled by cuffing him)
- Lucky Roo
- Yasop
- Jewelry Bonney (bounty exeeds 100M limit)
- Capone Geng Bege (bounty exeeds 100M limit)
- Killer (bounty exeeds 100M limit)
- Eustass Kid (maybe Level 6)
- Basil Hawkins (bounty exeeds 100M limit)
- Trafalgar Law (maybe Level 6)
- Scratchmen Apoo (bounty exeeds 100M limit)
- Urouge (bounty exeeds 100M limit)
- Kaku
- Jabura
- Mister 1 (if recaptured)
- Wiper
- Jesus Burgess
- Van Auger
- Laffite
Level 5.5:
- Okama no Sanji (unless he's cured on FMI seeing plenty of mermaids)
- Absalom (sry dear fans of him but he's such a p*ssy)
- Shakuyak (they need some fun down there whether or not she'd be genderswapped/okamanized)
- Kumadori
- Doc Q
- Ivankov
- Inazuma
- Wanze
- Satori, Kotori and Hotori
Level 6:
- Nico Robin (because of her knowledge)
- Whitebeard (until being executed)
- Boa Hancock (unless "resold" to the Tenryuubito)
- Blackbeard
- Shiryuu
- Magellan (because he's as strong as Shiryuu)
- Dragon
- Luffy (simply because he's the son of Dragon, not only because of his own crimes)
- Kuma
- Doflamingo
- Sir Crocodile (if ever captured again, there's no other place for him)
- Jinbei
- Arlong (for being said to be as strong as Jinbei)
- Enel (because of Logia powers)
- Akainu
- Aokiji
- Kizaru
- Sengoku
- Smoker
- Tsuru
- Garp
- Shanks
- Benn Beckman
- Kaidou
- Silvers Rayleigh
- X Drake (for betraying the Marines by quitting and becoming a pirate)
- Rob Lucci
- Ace

Stop · Oct 19, 2009

If i got to pick where they went luffy would go to the starving hell. Worst place for him

kkck · Aug 6, 2010

Now that the war is over we have seen how strong the top of the world is and how absurdly far away the strawhats are from it. In that sense, I think this is an appropriate time to bring this thread back.

Luffy has done a number of attrocious deeds but strength wise I don't think he is anywhere near strong enough to be a level 6 prisoner. Perhaps his deeds can send him there but strengthwise he outright does not cut it nor is anywhere near that. Just look at how strong iva was and he still got sent to level 5.... Zoro would definitely be level 5 considering his bounty and that he is roughly of luffy's level. Sanji would barely cut it to level 5 although I'd think it would be more appropriate to send him to level 4. Franky, being the one who follows sanji, would be barely level 4 material but would most likely end in level 3. Brook would be either level 4 or 3 too. I don't think he is so weak he'd end up in level 2 lol. Robin would most likely be sent to level 6 due to her knowledge but strengthwise I think she'd fit better in levels either 3 or 2. Ussop seems like level 2 material. Nami has her skills to but I don't think she is physically strong enough to take level 2 or 3.... She'd end up in level 1...

Wisshard · Aug 6, 2010

Even if Luffy was a weak ass cripple he would still be sent to L6, simply because the World Government knows that he is Dragon's (The Most Wanted Man In The World) son. Add to that, Garp considered Luffy's infamy to be on such level that revealing to the world that he is Dragon's son doesn't matter anymore.

It isn't fighting strength alone that determine what level you get put in, in fact, I'd consider how important you are as a prisoner to be the major factor (harder to escape (or rescue someone) from L6 than L5).

elitefox · Aug 16, 2010

Well, the level of which you will be is based on your bounty and thus luffy and zoro will definitely go to lvl 5 or lower and the rest level 4 and above.

Except maybe nami and robin... will go to the chief warden's office

Fox666 · Aug 16, 2010

Remember that Level 6 is not based on bounty or strength. It's supposed to hide some secret. For example, Gol D. Roger would end in Level 6 because he know the location of anscient weapons, but Whitebeard would be keep in Level 5.

Ace ended in Level 6 to increase the guard over him, since Whitebeard pirates were trying to rescue him. So it was an exception, but because he was being keep until execution, so it was just a provisory action.

elitefox · Aug 16, 2010

Fox666 said:
Remember that Level 6 is not based on bounty or strength. It's supposed to hide some secret. For example, Gol D. Roger would end in Level 6 because he know the location of anscient weapons, but Whitebeard would be keep in Level 5.

Ace ended in Level 6 to increase the guard over him, since Whitebeard pirates were trying to rescue him. So it was an exception, but because he was being keep until execution, so it was just a provisory action.

I concur, the level 6 will be good for legends say...

lvl 1 -5 is the only known to the world... WG tends to hide the most brutal or maybe brought shame to WG and not because of power. thus lvl 1-5, WG proud to capture.

And so level 6 might not even have bounties and not known but only for their name thus endangering people around the world where they go. So that the marines will be full of hand atm.

This I think will give a chance for the SH to train.

kkck · Aug 16, 2010

Fox666 said:
Remember that Level 6 is not based on bounty or strength. It's supposed to hide some secret. For example, Gol D. Roger would end in Level 6 because he know the location of anscient weapons, but Whitebeard would be keep in Level 5.

Ace ended in Level 6 to increase the guard over him, since Whitebeard pirates were trying to rescue him. So it was an exception, but because he was being keep until execution, so it was just a provisory action.

I don't think that is entirely the case with level 6. IMO bounties and strength have a big part in the decision of putting them there, not just whether they want to keep the prisoners a secret or the prisoners have vital information of things. Take jimbei.... He had no special knowledge of anything, he was thrown into level 6 because he was a shichibukai and he was strong. I think people who are infamous enough are by default sent to level six while ordinary criminals or rookies would end up in levels 1-5. I don't think WB would be kept in level 5 at all, that'd be stupid IMO. WB is brutally strong, freezing temperatures probably won't face him and altogether probably can't even be contained in level 5.

goldb · Aug 17, 2010

He would be cuffed so the cold would affect him but he's Whitebeard so it would be just like a shiver to him. But WB would be locked up in level 6, most likely in his own cell because even with Kairoseki, he's still dangerous. What I reckon would've happened should the marines have ever caught WB, they would hold him temporarily then execute him, the threat would be too big for them to lock him up.

SharpKnives · Aug 18, 2010

Usopp, sanji and Zoro level 4. Luffy level 5. nami level 2 and robin level 3. Arlong level 4. kreig level 2. Crocus level 6. Enel depending on what he does level 6. Lucci level 5.

kkck · Aug 18, 2010

I don't see ussop being level 4 material at all.... Sanji would be fine there and zoro due to his bounty would probably fit level 5 better (he also probably has the strength to justify being there). I don't think ussop has the sheer physical capacity to justify anything past level 1....

Franckie · Aug 18, 2010

I'd rather execute prisoners ASAP. Prisoners aren't a threat when they're dead and executing them would serve as a warning to other pirates, which is similar to how how pirates in real-life are routinely dealt with.