Discussion Use(s) of Haki

[Skyrius]

XD I'm just gonna quote myself since I realized this thread is more appropriate for what I found

Hm, I was rereading and I noticed something interesting on this page and this page.

The implication seems to be that the Admirals have done something to protect the platform, which I'm now assuming is some form of the Color of Armament. If it can be extended for a certain radius around the user, I can see that as being something useful for Luffy to learn as well.

And also, since we were arguing before, I don't believe that's a function of haki. The Color of Armaments doesn't seem to nullify DF powers, rather allow the user to attack DF users. Therefore, it stands to reason that the physical changes that DF create in a person's body (including the inability to swim) are still active as well.

Besides, that'd just be too broken. It's like, what's the point of giving the characters a weakness to drowning in the first place.

 

[tret16]

Skyrius is right, Haki doesn't infact nullify DF, all that it does is allow the person attacking a logia type to actually make contact with there actual body insteas of passing through them. If haki could do that then the main ability of Blackbeards DF would be pointless.

Spoiler

As you can see Blackbeard singled out that one fruit for specific reasons, one being that he can negate the DF completely. If haki could do that, then he wouldn't have a reason for waitting his whole life for that one fruit other then the fact of stealing Whitebeards ability. But what i'm saying is that if Haki really could do that then why didn't Blackbeard learn it, i'm sure he know's all about it concidering he was on Whitebeards ship and was infact one of the oldest members.

 

[Schabrak]

Haki ~ Devil Fruits

Just wanted to mention that this topic was discussed thoroughly with all arguments mentioned already. So this "Has anyone thought of this yet?!" question is answered. TSBIYF :P

You may be able to fend of against strong attacks or DF powers with haki, but the absolute weakness and weapon against DF users shouldn't be able to overcome with such a hax. Water has nothing to do with df abilities it's the way around. It would erease the "Devil" out of the name, if all it needs to conquer the atony is to be "strong".

And why do you want to attach to those very few cool people without a DF something only they would have. Shanks and Rayleigh excel in every aspect of fighting as normal humans, they be able to even without a devils pact.

 

[BlackSword]

I'm wondering if Haki can be used to block 'Ranged' DF attacks. Suck as Enel's lightning or Akainu's lava. I understand that it can be used to touch their true bodies but can it stop them from attack you from a distance? If you coat say your hand in COA Haki can you block a ranged DF attack? Or can you project haki to the space in front of you to deflect it in that method? Haki seems perfectly fine for touching logia's sure but their intangibility is only part of their power. They would simply have to adjust to a ranged fighting style vs haki users and it wouldn't seem to me to cost that much of an inconvenience to them.

 

[Zehahaha]

I'm wondering if Haki can be used to block 'Ranged' DF attacks. Suck as Enel's lightning or Akainu's lava. I understand that it can be used to touch their true bodies but can it stop them from attack you from a distance? If you coat say your hand in COA Haki can you block a ranged DF attack? Or can you project haki to the space in front of you to deflect it in that method? Haki seems perfectly fine for touching logia's sure but their intangibility is only part of their power. They would simply have to adjust to a ranged fighting style vs haki users and it wouldn't seem to me to cost that much of an inconvenience to them.

I think it is possible... The moment Shanks stopped Akainu's fist of lava with his sword, or WB stopping Akainu's dog shaped attack with his bisento without even melting, then i began to think that Color or Armament may have such an application... But i dunno, i guess we'll have to wait and see

 

[beastboy]

Well I say Yes, we saw the 3 admirals stopping WB's quake as it if was nothing...
But again, maybe their power is so big they could do that even if it wasn't a DF attack!

 

[Darkdrone]

Devil Fruits vs. Haki

I wonder If the stawhats ever face kuma how will they attack him and damage him. Since his devil fruit pushes back everything. Wouldn't he be able to push his own pain and give it to someone else? I think kuma is really overpowered. Luffy's punchs, zoros swords and sanjs kick will all be deflected.

 

[Rody naruto]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

@Darkdrone Haki!Haki as the ability to cancel Devil fruit ability.
Note:Zoro should the one to Fight Kuma...payback baby!!!

 

[Freid]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

I doubt Haki is going to cancel him teleporting you somewhere. I think the abilities of his paw fruit would still remain. Haki only cancel's out certain DF abilities, not all of them. It cancels out Mostly fruits that allow you to be safe from certain attacks like luffy's rubber and the logias. The same way Haki wont cancel out WB's abilitiy to make earthquakes is the same way it wont cancel out Kuma's paw ability to create shockwaves, deflect attacks and teleporting you somewhere. It would be hella odd if Kuma teleports behind someone so confidently and touches them and the person is still there. The silence would be so awkward

 

[Darkdrone]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

I know about haki but still kuma's armour is still really thick. I wonder if they have the abilty to to damage it (lufft and sanji). We already know zoro cut through his armour but kuma might have upgraded his armour. I read previously that akoiji was named the new fleet admiral is it confirmed?

 

[Poneglyph420]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

I wonder If the stawhats ever face kuma how will they attack him and damage him. Since his devil fruit pushes back everything. Wouldn't he be able to push his own pain and give it to someone else? I think kuma is really overpowered. Luffy's punchs, zoros swords and sanjs kick will all be deflected.

Well in the "WB War" Iva san was able to handle Kuma.. Obviously not to the point of destruction, but that's not the point. If Iva was singlehandedly able to face off with Kuma, Then I'm sure the SH will have no issue at this point... especially as a team.

However I think Kuma is still an ally of the SH, somehow...
Especially after the spoilers...

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I doubt Haki is going to cancel him teleporting you somewhere. I think the abilities of his paw fruit would still remain. Haki only cancel's out certain DF abilities, not all of them. It cancels out Mostly fruits that allow you to be safe from certain attacks like luffy's rubber and the logias. The same way Haki wont cancel out WB's abilitiy to make earthquakes is the same way it wont cancel out Kuma's paw ability to create shockwaves, deflect attacks and teleporting you somewhere. It would be hella odd if Kuma teleports behind someone so confidently and touches them and the person is still there. The silence would be so awkward

I almost peed in my pants after reading this.. The silence ....
Awesome!!

 

[Avenged]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

Well in the "WB War" Iva san was able to handle Kuma.. Obviously not to the point of destruction, but that's not the point. If Iva was singlehandedly able to face off with Kuma, Then I'm sure the SH will have no issue at this point... especially as a team.

However I think Kuma is still an ally of the SH, somehow...
Especially after the spoilers...

I agree that i believe that kuma is still a part of the resistance, ergo an ally of the SH. From the argument brought forth about how would the SH battle the paw paw fruit. I view that as a paramecia, and when haki is involved, to me that would denote a hand on hand combat fight, since the haki surrounds you, and deflects DF abilities.

 

[Darkdrone]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

I agree that i believe that kuma is still a part of the resistance, ergo an ally of the SH. From the argument brought forth about how would the SH battle the paw paw fruit. I view that as a paramecia, and when haki is involved, to me that would denote a hand on hand combat fight, since the haki surrounds you, and deflects DF abilities.

Kuma is suprisingly fast for his size remember how he was blocking Bepo and Killer? Rwmemebr even if it was hand to hand kuma still has the projectile paw which is extremly powerful. I know the monster trio will surpass kuma eventually I just want to see the other strwhats at least make it a worthwhile battle. When I say worthwhile I mean individually have their own strategies and use their own techniques. This is where chopper, robin and brook lack greatly... There variety of attacks.

 

[Avenged]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

Kuma is suprisingly fast for his size remember how he was blocking Bepo and Killer? Rwmemebr even if it was hand to hand kuma still has the projectile paw which is extremly powerful. I know the monster trio will surpass kuma eventually I just want to see the other strwhats at least make it a worthwhile battle. When I say worthwhile I mean individually have their own strategies and use their own techniques. This is where chopper, robin and brook lack greatly... There variety of attacks.

Oh yah i am in complete agreement, my argument stems more from the haki/df cancellation, and not from pure ability. With the introduction of haki though, it makes pure fighters, like luffy, lucci, and others stand out more in the end then people that rely on that ability completely. Kuma is quite a specimen. Destroying the PX's will definately make the SH's standout. How they deal with him, will be epic

 

[Rody naruto]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

I doubt Haki is going to cancel him teleporting you somewhere. I think the abilities of his paw fruit would still remain. Haki only cancel's out certain DF abilities, not all of them. It cancels out Mostly fruits that allow you to be safe from certain attacks like luffy's rubber and the logias. The same way Haki wont cancel out WB's abilitiy to make earthquakes is the same way it wont cancel out Kuma's paw ability to create shockwaves, deflect attacks and teleporting you somewhere. It would be hella odd if Kuma teleports behind someone so confidently and touches them and the person is still there. The silence would be so awkward

Sorry bro,but im gonna stick to my Haki theory.If Rayleigh could stop a logia of an admiral level with haki,i beleive that the same haki has the power to stop Kuma's ability like the one where he pushes back everithing and the teleporting one,etc.And even if thats not anough,dont forget that there is other type of haki like the one that elps you to predict move of your apponent.I mean your ability is complitely useless if you cant touch you apponent(remimber Enel arc with the priest).
To me,this haki thing brings Luffy and probably Zoro to a all new level of fighting power and style.

 

[Jadedmariner]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

I doubt Haki is going to cancel him teleporting you somewhere. I think the abilities of his paw fruit would still remain. Haki only cancel's out certain DF abilities, not all of them. It cancels out Mostly fruits that allow you to be safe from certain attacks like luffy's rubber and the logias. The same way Haki wont cancel out WB's abilitiy to make earthquakes is the same way it wont cancel out Kuma's paw ability to create shockwaves, deflect attacks and teleporting you somewhere. It would be hella odd if Kuma teleports behind someone so confidently and touches them and the person is still there. The silence would be so awkward

When Kizaru's kicks he isn't just using his logia ability defensively, but augmenting the speed of his kick to the speed of light. Haki allowed Rayleigh both to hit Kizaru's physical body to counter his kick, but also allowed him to counter the fact his leg was traveling at the speed of light. If you can counter something on that scale with Haki I don't think Kuma's paw ability would be any different.

 

[Freid]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

Sorry bro,but im gonna stick to my Haki theory.If Rayleigh could stop a logia of an admiral level with haki,i beleive that the same haki has the power to stop Kuma's ability like the one where he pushes back everithing and the teleporting one,etc.And even if thats not anough,dont forget that there is other type of haki like the one that elps you to predict move of your apponent.I mean your ability is complitely useless if you cant touch you apponent(remimber Enel arc with the priest).
To me,this haki thing brings Luffy and probably Zoro to a all new level of fighting power and style.

Rayleigh stopped a logia with his haki. Haki is already known to be able to touch logias at whatever level. That is what the COA allows you to do regardless of whether the logia user has Haki aswel. Rayleigh explained that in chapter 597. Luffy can also be injured with haki. Do you notice the trend? The people who's devil fruits are being cancelled are the ones who are immune to certain types of attacks. Kuma is not immune to any kind of attack. Haki doesnt actually cancel ones devil fruit per-say which is where you are getting confused. It serves as the only way to oppose some devil fruits (logias) and takes away the advantage of immunity to certain attacks that some devil fruits have (luffy's rubber). Kuma's ability does not grant him intangibility neither does it make him immune to any attack. If you are fast enough it is possible to injure him. Long range attacks are also able to injure him. He's ability is simply hax. Also, immunity and intangibility are simply advantages and haki simply takes away those advantages. Kuma's teleporting people his part of his offence and haki in no way does not simply just render people's offensive power useless.

 

[zerocooldx]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

I doubt Haki is going to cancel him teleporting you somewhere. I think the abilities of his paw fruit would still remain. Haki only cancel's out certain DF abilities, not all of them. It cancels out Mostly fruits that allow you to be safe from certain attacks like luffy's rubber and the logias. The same way Haki wont cancel out WB's abilitiy to make earthquakes is the same way it wont cancel out Kuma's paw ability to create shockwaves, deflect attacks and teleporting you somewhere. It would be hella odd if Kuma teleports behind someone so confidently and touches them and the person is still there. The silence would be so awkward

A stronger defensive Armament Haki by all accounts should stop any offensive DF ability. We even saw that with WB and the Admirals. Their defensive Armament Haki was strong enough to completely nullify WB quakes. Which were tilting, moving, turning and crushing all of Marineford and the surrounding area. Yet as you can see here the platform was completely unaffected by the DF quakes. So if one has a stronger Defensive Armament Haki than his opponents DF and or Offensive Armament Haki, then that person will nullify that individuals DF and its affects. So your last statement about Kuma and teleportation will undoubtedly happen. Probably if Kuma fights Luffy again. And i would not be surprise if something like that already happened off-screen when Kuma fought a stronger opponent and tried to teleport them away but ended up getting blocked.

 

[GPZrag]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

When Kizaru's kicks he isn't just using his logia ability defensively, but augmenting the speed of his kick to the speed of light. Haki allowed Rayleigh both to hit Kizaru's physical body to counter his kick, but also allowed him to counter the fact his leg was traveling at the speed of light. If you can counter something on that scale with Haki I don't think Kuma's paw ability would be any different.

Well said, also Rayleigh said that Haki with the CoA is the only one that attacks DF weak points meaning that using CoA will make you capable of attacking any fruit user... he even was specific and said that it attacks the fluid bodies of logia users...

 

[Freid]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

When Kizaru's kicks he isn't just using his logia ability defensively, but augmenting the speed of his kick to the speed of light. Haki allowed Rayleigh both to hit Kizaru's physical body to counter his kick, but also allowed him to counter the fact his leg was traveling at the speed of light. If you can counter something on that scale with Haki I don't think Kuma's paw ability would be any different.

No, the only thing Oda wanted to display there was that Rayleigh's haki enabled him to be able to touch Kizaru. That is why brook only said 'i sliced and sliced him, but my blows went straight through his body, yet you just stopped him. how'. I dont even get what you're saying. That Rayleigh's haki allowed him to move at the speed of light to follow kizaru's kick? If anything, he's COO played a part

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A stronger defensive Armament Haki by all accounts should stop any offensive DF ability. We even saw that with WB and the Admirals. Their defensive Armament Haki was strong enough to completely nullify WB quakes. Which were tilting, moving, turning and crushing all of Marineford and the surrounding area. Yet as you can see here the platform was completely unaffected by the DF quakes. So if one has a stronger Defensive Armament Haki than his opponents DF and or Offensive Armament Haki, then that person will nullify that individuals DF and its affects. So your last statement about Kuma and teleportation will undoubtedly happen. Probably if Kuma fights Luffy again. And i would not be surprise if something like that already happened off-screen when Kuma fought a stronger opponent and tried to teleport them away but ended up getting blocked.

What you just pointed out is that haki can basically be used defensively. When the admirals used their defensive COA it was to protect the platform from the shaking marineford like you pointed out. Haki did not directly stop WB's earthquake ability. It stopped what it caused which was the shaking of the marineford. Its abit like how ao kiji stopped the tsunami WB caused. Haki does not nullify a Devil fruits offensive ability. If it did that, you would just get a basic martial arts fight between two haki users. All it does is render the advantage of immunity some devil fruits grant useless. So to my last statement I said. If Kuma tries to teleport someone, it would indeed work.