Discussion Use(s) of Haki

[Rody naruto]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

I get your point but when Rayleigh said it also exists as the only way to oppose some devil fruits, he was solely talking about logias and maybe even Marcos pheonix ability. Basically any devil fruit that grants the user intangibility and no weaknesses like crocodiles. It makes sense, you literally cannot oppose some logias without haki. However you can still oppose Kuma however hax his devil fruit maybe. The conclusion to this should simply be Kuma's ability is hax. That is why some people find it so hard to believe that kuma could just go around teleporting people. Im sure he can and if Oda was to show the full potential of his fruit, you would be seeing allot of that. But Oda has to put a cap on how much he can do since he isn't supposed to as strong as the yonkous.

ooooooooooh man!i give up.since english isnt my first language,my brain is boiling
I still think my point of view is the best but you also got a point.I guess the best way for us to find out is to wait for that fight(even know,i hope Zoro will fight Kuma instead of Luffy as a payback).

 

[Kainen Manas]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

Isn't Kuma supposedly dead anyways? And like in Naruto, people actually die in this manga, all it seems Kuma does is the whole laser thingy; but even if his abilities are still around then all I know is that Luffy's crew looks absolutely awesome, I'm so excited to see the next battle stage, also to find out their actual bounties, with the breakout of Impel Down as well as the strong involvement at Marineford, Luffy's gotta be pretty high up. I think Oda's a genius!

 

[kaika101]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

whats with all the assumptions on haki. its beginning to be as ridiculous as the one armed zoro argument. god, can people just frickin relax. despite most peoples assumptions about haki canceling a DF, the fight between whitebeard and akainu showed us 2 powerful haki and df users using their df powers to damage each other without any of them canceling df attacks using CoA. haki seems to be an effective way to damage a df user however it would be too foolish to assume that it would completely negate df powers since we know so little about it.

 

[empeethree]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

@ramstein

wood is not really an element so gaining property of wood will be a paramecia type, just like Luffy's rubber ability.

but from what i understand on CoA,
its like an invisible armor that disregard the physical ability of a devil fruit user making them like just normal. This applies on the Logia types (which mostly formless) and Paramecia types like Luffy (rubberman) or even the Zoan perhaps. But beyond physical ability... its a different story. What beyond physical abilities means? It means, not part of the user's body like akainu's meteor like magma. aokji's ice, ace's fire, or yes... kuma's paw attacks.
That's the reason why there's called CoO, Color of Observation, thats the thing that can stop those.

 

[BlackSword]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

COA vs Devil's Fruit Abilits.
(Ranged & Melee)
I'm fairly certain seeing as WB's quake attack during the war was stopped from reaching/effecting the platform that Haki has the ability to 'block' ranged attacks... Kuma's teleport ability when it comes in contact with the COA armor surrounding an individual should become just a normal attack. (During the point of contact.) The COA ability should resolve before the Devil's Fruit ability has a chance to take effect. Now this does not mean that Luffy can't stretch and attack people or that Akainu can't shoot Lava balls at people... It simply means that once 'DF Abilities' come in contact with COA they would revert to either a 'normal' attack or be be deflected/dissipate depending on whether or not it is a melee or ranged based attack.

Ranged DF Attacks vs COA
Now when say 'Akainu' Shoots a Magma ball it is in fact part of his body so when it comes in contact with the COA armor it should in theory return to Akainu after dissipating from the point of contact with the COA barrier(Depending on the strength of the COA). If the attack is more powerful than said barrier it should go through.

Now in the case of Eustass Kid's Devil Fruit power which basically makes him a One Piece Magneto. (I.E Controls Metal and Most likely Magnetic forces in general.) Say he launches a metal spear at someone. The metal spear will be blocked by the COA barrier (Depending on the strength of the COA). However COA will have little effect against his ability unless he tries to control metal that is within the COA user's sphere of influence. (I.E Say Zoro has COA haki imbued to his swords/his overall area this would mean that Kidd could not effect his swords or any metal within the effected area.)

Regular Attacks vs COA
If say a regular person hits the COA barrier there is still a barrier present and it will be simply to hitting a steel wall (i.e Sentoumaru vs a normal attack still = a blocked attack.) Once again it depends on the level of the attack vs the level of COA. But with enough 'Will/Power/Control' COA can stop both physical and ranged attacks.
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Furthermore I don't believe that Logia (when not in their substancial bodies) can use Haki. Everytime we have seen a Logia use haki he has had to revert to his real body/become tangible.
Haki is not an infallible power... However it does have the potential to be. Haki as stated by Rayleigh varies in strength depending on the users 'Will & Unshakable Belief in ones self'. Pretty much giving Oda free rain on how he chooses to use haki in each and every fight. And giving someone like Luffy who has an 'inhuman will' a distinct advantage with the power of haki. However this does not mean that characters are invulnerable or invincible it simple means that as the story progresses this power gives Oda an ample window of growth to put the SH through... Most likely at Luffy's currently level his haki would falter under the Onslaught of a very powerful DF (i.e Logia/Admiral.) But as time goes by Oda will have him grow... Eventually Luffy will have to be almost untouchable (end of story...) So Haki is simply Oda's tool to let him increase Luffy's power consistently

 

[Rody naruto]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

What i wander is that if swodsman with Coa can slice trough a logia in is formeless self.For exemple Crocodile beeing slice by a regular swordsman would just have is head chop off and then come back to is body.But what if an haki users swordsman slice trough is head?i wonder what will happen.Any ideas?

 

[empeethree]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

@CrownedClown,

if you say Akainu's magma is actually part of him, then that will gonna make his magma a physical ability (from what my observation suggest) so that means, a CoA user can actually block it then? In my opinion, stopping a magma is impossible, (though i know this is One Piece World, anything is possible) but its too inhuman if you can actually stop a magma.

My example for this is.. Silver Rayleigh vs Kizaru, when Kizaru is about to attack Rayleigh using that lightspeed beam? i forgot whats the name. Instead of waiting to block it, Rayleigh went to stop Kizaru with his feet before Kizaru can actually throw the beam. Right? So, in my opinion and observation, those abilities are not really part of their body.

 

[Razh]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

But what if an haki users swordsman slice trough is head?i wonder what will happen.Any ideas?

Gee, I don't know... He would die?

Rayleigh slices Kizaru over his cheek = blood

Rayleigh slices through Kizaru's neck = death

 

[elitefox]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

What i wander is that if swodsman with Coa can slice trough a logia in is formeless self.For exemple Crocodile beeing slice by a regular swordsman would just have is head chop off and then come back to is body.But what if an haki users swordsman slice trough is head?i wonder what will happen.Any ideas?

It would cut off of course

but the thing is, if croco knows its haki imbued then he will definitely block it to minimize damage with sand swords.

 

[elitefox]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

@CrownedClown,

if you say Akainu's magma is actually part of him, then that will gonna make his magma a physical ability (from what my observation suggest) so that means, a CoA user can actually block it then? In my opinion, stopping a magma is impossible, (though i know this is One Piece World, anything is possible) but its too inhuman if you can actually stop a magma.

My example for this is.. Silver Rayleigh vs Kizaru, when Kizaru is about to attack Rayleigh using that lightspeed beam? i forgot whats the name. Instead of waiting to block it, Rayleigh went to stop Kizaru with his feet before Kizaru can actually throw the beam. Right? So, in my opinion and observation, those abilities are not really part of their body.

Yep Logia can turn into their element and produce their element. A stronger paramecia from my point of view, if luffy can produce gomu gomu shoes then he'll be considered a Logia

They can still stop material things with COA like bullets waves but that is more advance and not that big, like only you will be protected but your crew will have to dodge it

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the last few pages have been flooded with haki and eye transplant comments lol.

it's one piece, it can be possible. why? how come franky's alive. he doesnt have any intestines in there anymore (don't know where he transferred them). he's part android. i dont see why others cant have their parts done too.

frany will know how to do it

I think he is only has brain and heart left, and the lower part too I guess

 

[BlackSword]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

@CrownedClown,

if you say Akainu's magma is actually part of him, then that will gonna make his magma a physical ability (from what my observation suggest) so that means, a CoA user can actually block it then? In my opinion, stopping a magma is impossible, (though i know this is One Piece World, anything is possible) but its too inhuman if you can actually stop a magma.

My example for this is.. Silver Rayleigh vs Kizaru, when Kizaru is about to attack Rayleigh using that lightspeed beam? i forgot whats the name. Instead of waiting to block it, Rayleigh went to stop Kizaru with his feet before Kizaru can actually throw the beam. Right? So, in my opinion and observation, those abilities are not really part of their body.

Kizaru's ability is different from Akainu's.
Kizaru can control all the 'Light' around him...
Akainu on the other hand doesn't exactly have a ready supply of Lava sitting around unless he is fighting in a volcano. Akainu has to generate Lava from his body. (Atleast i think so. If I'm wrong feel free to correct me.)
Aokiji can turn thing's into ice because there is moisture in all things making his ability ability in the same boat as Kizaru's.

 

[empeethree]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

Yep Logia can turn into their element and produce their element. A stronger paramecia from my point of view, if luffy can produce gomu gomu shoes then he'll be considered a Logia

They can still stop material things with COA like bullets waves but that is more advance and not that big, like only you will be protected but your crew will have to dodge it
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I think he is only has brain and heart left, and the lower part too I guess

LMAO. That suggest Luffy can compete with Wapol again, Shoe Factory for Luffy, then Toy Factory for Wapol. xD

Yup, true, and CoA is a self barrier only. But do you mean to say, the element they throw is really part of their body just like when they throw it, they can stop it whenever they want? or make it U-Turn because it will not hit the enemy? or follow the enemy wherever they go?

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Kizaru's ability is different from Akainu's.
Kizaru can control all the 'Light' around him...
Akainu on the other hand doesn't exactly have a ready supply of Lava sitting around unless he is fighting in a volcano. Akainu has to generate Lava from his body. (Atleast i think so. If I'm wrong feel free to correct me.)
Aokiji can turn thing's into ice because there is moisture in all things making his ability ability in the same boat as Kizaru's.

I was just explaining my observation from it, but it doesnt mean its correct. You said Akainu's magma is really part of him, i just dont feel that its correct so im explaining what i think is right, but i dont actually argue on that one. I just think. those that are released from their bodies are not really part of them anymore. Thus they dont really have control on it. Maybe an exemption to Aokji?

 

[elitefox]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

LMAO. That suggest Luffy can compete with Wapol again, Shoe Factory for Luffy, then Toy Factory for Wapol. xD

Yup, true, and CoA is a self barrier only. But do you mean to say, the element they throw is really part of their body just like when they throw it, they can stop it whenever they want? or make it U-Turn because it will not hit the enemy? or follow the enemy wherever they go?

The earlier post did tell that those magma fist shower is a part of akainu too

which I think is wrong(please correct me if i'm wrong), just clarifying things with what I think is true

 

[BlackSword]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

LMAO. That suggest Luffy can compete with Wapol again, Shoe Factory for Luffy, then Toy Factory for Wapol. xD

Yup, true, and CoA is a self barrier only. But do you mean to say, the element they throw is really part of their body just like when they throw it, they can stop it whenever they want? or make it U-Turn because it will not hit the enemy? or follow the enemy wherever they go?
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I was just explaining my observation from it, but it doesnt mean its correct. You said Akainu's magma is really part of him, i just dont feel that its correct so im explaining what i think is right, but i dont actually argue on that one. I just think. those that are released from their bodies are not really part of them anymore. Thus they dont really have control on it. Maybe an exemption to Aokji?

That seems more along the lines of Paramecia... Example: Magellan and his Poison Hydra's... Logia would be similar to say launching a projectile at the enemy except its made out of you...

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If the attack is a part of the user than it is disolved and returned to user. If the attack is a 'element or object' generated by the user then it can be deflect/blocked. When it comes in contact with COA barrier.

 

[empeethree]

Re: One Piece 599 Spoilers Discussion Thread

The earlier post did tell that those magma fist shower is a part of akainu too

which I think is wrong(please correct me if i'm wrong), just clarifying things with what I think is true

i think its the same way to Paw punch of Kuma. That magma fist, if its already released from his body. Its no longer part of the one who throw it.

But yeah, maybe CoA can still stop it, but Magma, with bare hands of CoA stopping it. Its unlikely but possible. Alright, maybe i'll agree about it.


ammm.. this thing makes it more confuse, hey guys, do we have a thread specific for this? We might be making an off topic here.. aren't we?

 

[Akainu]

[aka]the last 48 posts were moved here from an offtopic discussion of the spoiler thread for chapter 599, just so you don't get confused and all [/aka]

 

[joeyb]

My opion the COA is an haki you can use to shield yourself with.
this "haki shield" also seems capable of hitting/touching logia df users.

It doesn't really negate the ability, it just allows you to hit logia users and also protect yourself from attacks.

 

[luffyq1]

Re: One Piece 599 Discussion / 600 Prediction Thread

Chances are, she may have been stronger learning something from Dragon. Not just knowledge but also some sort of rogue/assassinesque technique (I am really trying to refrain from saying Haki but I would imagine that for Luffy to become pirate king, his entire crew needs to learn Haki).

You're very wrong my friend, Gol D. Roger became the pirate king, and he had Buggy in his crew. Everyone on the SH doesn't need to learn haki just for luffy to become the pirate king.

 

[Zoro #1]

Re: One Piece 599 Discussion / 600 Prediction Thread

You're very wrong my friend, Gol D. Roger became the pirate king, and he had Buggy in his crew. Everyone on the SH doesn't need to learn haki just for luffy to become the pirate king.

Buggy and shanks were just apprentices at that time and were too young possibly 14 to 14 years of age, so i'm not too surprised that they didn't have haki back then, Plus having haki won't just haki the SH invincible, look at he VA they have haki but they still can be owned, so i won't be too surprised that in the future the crew awaken some type of haki, with zoro being the exception to might just awaken all three.

Anyone knows when the spoiler comes out?????

 

[fistsofrage]

Re: One Piece 599 Discussion / 600 Prediction Thread

You're very wrong my friend, Gol D. Roger became the pirate king, and he had Buggy in his crew. Everyone on the SH doesn't need to learn haki just for luffy to become the pirate king.

Buggy was an apprentice, its for sure that all the original members (the ones who are like luffy and his crew right now) probably knew haki. There's no way they sailed together for so long without having a good understanding of each others powers, and i doubt the pirate king would be so greatly feared if his crew didn't know haki.

As a side note, from Whitebeards crew that we've seen, there have been quite a few of them that had haki and im sure the ones from shanks crew that knew Luffy all those years ago probably have haki as well. Especially the ones shown in this picture http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-580/page010.html

As you've probably guessed, I believe that by the time Luffy becomes the pirate king, his entire crew will have haki, otherwise I don't see how they could change the world.