Gorousei's emblem

[sh4dx]

i never said that they don't exist, read my post better.i just said that even if the WG thinks that they are so much powerful and all, i just think it's a bit lame that some kind of weapon/ship whatever is equal/more powerful than those top tiers we have seen so far and probably we'll see more of them (dragon,kaido etc etc).

The idea of being the 3 types of DF is a bit weird i don't know,BUT if it goes this way i hope and believe that Oda will do a good work because i would be dissapointed to see something that is not LIVING creature and is equal or stronger to the top tiers who are clearly are capable of destroying islands/countries etc with their DF powers

 

[Geez]

My bad, i though you said it was too lame to really be coming in the story.
I still disagree, i can't see why it's weird for humans to make weapons, especially when we see monsters like the top 3. We don't know why they've been built yet, imagine there was a war between fruit users and simple humans: what would you do in their place? I think the reason of the weapons will comfort you in some way.

 

[Uriel]

The idea of being the 3 types of DF is a bit weird i don't know,BUT if it goes this way i hope and believe that Oda will do a good work because i would be dissapointed to see something that is not LIVING creature and is equal or stronger to the top tiers who are clearly are capable of destroying islands/countries etc with their DF powers

We don't know the origins of DF's to assume that they're not living creatures :P
I still remember the myths CP9 had about DFs and I can't but wonder how much truth on that lines could be.

 

[sh4dx]

well maybe but don't get confused,my point it's quite simple,so far we have seen chars like wb,aokiji,akainu etc etc and still we haven't see dragon kaido and many other TOP tiers that can easily destroy/annihiliate ANYTHING/ANYONE thanks to their DF so now you just assume that the ancient weapons MIGHT be/have something to do with DF which is unlikely at least for the one because it has BLUEPRINTS,you forgot it?I really really doubt something "living creature" or something that has to do with DF need blueprints it doesn't make sense...It's obvious that the ancient weapon that franky had the blueprints it's 100% a thing/warship NOT living creature/df whatever,i think you get the point.Also even if there are 3 ancient weapons(so far i think we know for 2 right?or i forgot something?) if the one HAS BLUEPRINTS then your theory of 3DF types=3 ancient weapons stands no ground!

Anyway the point is that it's a bit lame IMO that somekind of thing/warship/weapon is equal to humans like the ones i said above.

 

[Anduren]

...imagine there was a war between fruit users and simple humans: what would you do in their place?

If there was a war between two groups (fruit users vs simple humans), if I was on the simple human side, what I would do is find a way to flood the whole planet so that all the fruit users would drown and all the simple humans would swim to safety: end of war.

With more and more tenryubito being introduced lately and the strawhats being right under their noses (literally), as well as Robin being about to translate yet another poneglyph for us anytime in the current arc (fishman arc), I think we have a good chance of finding out a bit more of Oda's secrets about the void century and the Gorousei as well.

 

[Ninja_Pirate]

Just saw this discussion a week back... missed it ... Actually never really cared about the emblem.. The emblem has been shown at two different instances by oda and he didnt take too much pain to make them exactly same if you will look closely... However it may be just because he has no intention of explaining it yet and might come with some master piece at later stage...

There are some scattered pieces thrown by oda... like void century... the kingdom... will of D .. Gorousei...sacred land mareijoa...

The three things around the symbol kindda look like shape of dragon or some creature with wings to me.. however on the city of moon also there have been certain symbols drawn .. i dont know if that could be related to something..

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2577-1/one-piece/chapter-470.html
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2579-1/one-piece/chapter-472.html

I dont think the symbol at mareijoa has anything to do with devil fruits, since oda mentioned that whenever anything has to relate to DF it should have some spiral pattern.. which the symbol does not have

 

[sarutobi_sensei]

Great finding. Never noticed the symbol before.

Well, the 3 outside of the circle things could in fact be the 3 Ancient Weapons, but it could also be the 3 Great Powers (Marines, WG and Shichibukai), or even the 3 strongholds of the WG, Enies Lobby, Marine Headquarters and Impel Down.

Well we're only assuming that there are only 3 ancient weapons. We've heard of 2, Pluton and Poseidon. There could be more than just 3 of them.

Remind me if I'm wrong, but Franky had the blueprints of Pluton, in order to make a 2nd Pluton should the 1st ever be revived right?

So we know that this @ least still exists and it should be in Arabasta. Or @ least in Arabasta is the info on it's location right? Poseidon was the one mentioned in the Skypiea Poneglyph right?

Well, I also think that the findings of Enel on the moon are indeed important to the Story. There's no way he wouldn't be coming back to the Blue Sea. Oda even said that he would come.

But returning to the main topic, the symbol. This is another of the mystery from One Piece. What if, the symbol isn't even theirs? What if they stole the symbol from the ancient Kingdom?

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Hmm, when did Enel find a ship on the moon? I know Maxim was destroyed, but still... I don't recall him finding another ship.

Regarding the Impel down having more secrets, I also think so. The symbols on the walls are really interesting. How did they manage to build that building, underwater, with the Sea Kings roaming around there? Could the D's have built it? How ?

And regarding the Giant Warships that don't seem as powerfull as a human like we've seen recently. Well only some are capable of destroying entire islands. Not many, some. The ship would destroy it easily, there would be no need for a buster call. Plus the technology in it could be even more advance than what Vegapunk knows.

 

[Geez]

I said that Enel found a ship on the moon but it was pure speculation of course

Regarding the 3 strongholds, i always wondered how that whirlpool was made (if not natural) and what was lying at the root of it. So I began to focus on impel down and noticed its weird shape. From that angle or from above ID, it kinda looks like a sun. Same with Marineford HQ and its crescent moon's shape. But i must admit that i don't really see what Enies lobby looks like... Could it be a former island completely destroyed by an ancient weapon? Or just a symbol i don't understand?

What if those islands were clues from the past? Ninja_Pirate posted two links which reveal that some people lived on the moon, besides we now know that a "fake sun", named Eve Tree, allows a whole race to live underwater. Noah indicates us that Fishmen weren't the first ones to live there.
I don't really see the point to steal an emblem, but if it was indeed stolen, i guess i'd say that those three parts in it represent the 3 strongholds, symbols of the lost civilization's past.

 

[Ninja_Pirate]

I said that Enel found a ship on the moon but it was pure speculation of course

Regarding the 3 strongholds, i always wondered how that whirlpool was made (if not natural) and what was lying at the root of it. So I began to focus on impel down and noticed its weird shape. From that angle or from above ID, it kinda looks like a sun. Same with Marineford HQ and its crescent moon's shape. But i must admit that i don't really see what Enies lobby looks like... Could it be a former island completely destroyed by an ancient weapon? Or just a symbol i don't understand?

What if those islands were clues from the past? Ninja_Pirate posted two links which reveal that some people lived on the moon, besides we now know that a "fake sun", named Eve Tree, allows a whole race to live underwater. Noah indicates us that Fishmen weren't the first ones to live there.
I don't really see the point to steal an emblem, but if it was indeed stolen, i guess i'd say that those three parts in it represent the 3 strongholds, symbols of the lost civilization's past.

More i dont wanna bother about this thing.. more ur post intrigues me to do so ..

Enies Lobby looks like a Solar eclipse to me .. http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090525150713/onepiece/images/a/ab/Enies_Lobby-1-.jpg

But why that three island to be the reminiscent of the past.. we know that shandora has a history back to the days of ancient kingdom... and more important the fishman island too... considering tom has the blueprints of the weapon to go against the ancient weapon (pluton) .. and it might have been passed through from one generation to others.. till date we can assume the history of that lies with FI... I am so excited about the poneyglaph at fishman island to be revealed..

If we consider that in our real world there is global rift and once it was all water .. land emerged out of it.. rifted and got separated.. and now getting submerged again... if we put the same logic in one piece, one thing is that the eve tree might have been on surface once.. but again that seems illogical considering "10000 ft" figure... also there must be parts of island now submerged in water which makes it impossible to reach there.. idea struck me seeing that pic of impel down.. which shows rocks around means there is a very little depth to certain area encompassing impel down.. and it could actually be a part of island which once submerged...

and that is what might have happened with raftel (or ancient kingdom) ... The place which connects to it must be a famous place and still people keep searching that without realizing that the place is under the thing.. as proffessor clover was about to tell the name of the city he was being shot.. indicates that the name must reveal something.. may be making it obvious.. or it is just might be a taboo to say that name .. because if people are just moving tracing the magnetic field they must reach the last island to get to raftel... i dont see why no one has reached there .. what i think is they did reach but could not figure out.. but still then the words must be out.. i read a theory given by someone about ancient kingdom actually must be surrounded by different weathers layer by layer which makes it difficult or nearly impossible to reach.. however i like submerged theory better (don't know if some one has already given it)

However it does not connect anywhere to the emblem.. so kindda off topic..just put down my thoughts.. if someone finds it interesting to read ..lol

 

[Geez]

I like the Solar eclipse thing

The more i think about it the more i think it may be totally random... Oda could have made these islands this way just for fun. But it sure is suspicious!

Some thing's up with one piece's world for sure and i think we'll learn more about it when Noah will be explained. A logical hypothesis would be that the Deluge occurred as described in the bible. I think the Eve Tree was planted there by those who were fleeing the flood, because the place where it stands is not common. This is where the currents meet thus where Noah was dragged. If it was already there, it's kinda really lucky for them...

 

[Anduren]

If you want to consider the downfall of mankind, it was caused by Adam and Eve coming into contact with the Devil. Surprisingly we have all three of these alluded to in One Piece: Treasure Tree Adam, Sunlight Tree Eve, and Devil Fruits....all of which are extremely rare in the One Piece world and may have caused the downfall of the ancient kingdom.

Out of the many things the symbol represents, its just as possible that the emblem represents these three things and a relationship between them that has yet to be revealed. I don't know if it's just a coincidence that the Sunlight Tree Eve is directly below the holy land where the Tenryubito live. And we still don't know where the Treasure Tree Adam is or how exactly devil fruits come to the possession of people.

The existence of a giant ship called Noah seems to be hinting at the flood theory which would explain why most of the One Piece world is submerged. Also I have a feeling that once we find out the true history it will make sense to us how Impel Down was built from the sea floor up as well as where all that water in the waterfall at Enies Lobby is going to....and what is causing the giant whirlpool at the tarai current, IF there really was a flood.

Also, reading some of the earlier posts I noticed something that I wanted to point out: Considering that the blueprints for Pluton existed at some point (before it got burned), it implies that its possible to have more than one Pluton at any one time....meaning that even IF there were only three ancient weapons, just using the blueprints would make it possible to have 4 or more....so technically its not possible to say there's only 3 Ancient Weapons until we find out more from the story their role in the void century.

 

[Ninja_Pirate]

Also, reading some of the earlier posts I noticed something that I wanted to point out: Considering that the blueprints for Pluton existed at some point (before it got burned), it implies that its possible to have more than one Pluton at any one time....meaning that even IF there were only three ancient weapons, just using the blueprints would make it possible to have 4 or more....so technically its not possible to say there's only 3 Ancient Weapons until we find out more from the story their role in the void century.

If you are implying that by having blue print of an ancient weapon it can be rebuild thus increasing the number... but still the type of weapon will remain the same... Franky did tell that the blue prints are not of pluton .. it is just some no name weapon with file cover name pluton since it was to build to oppose pluton... Moreover three no. of weapons is a theory just seeing the pattern and there definitely could be more..

About Fishman island.. There is a tree.. at skypiea there was a tree beam again .. though it happened not long back but finally the poneyglaph has reached the top of the beam ... that means that beam was always there... however finding poneyglaph there was just a coincidence of the knock up stream to knock the island at exact same position.. However considering the similarities in two arcs i would say the poneyglaph for FI might be at the roots of the tree...

 

[Anduren]

@Ninja_Pirate I agree with everything you said . It was only a technicality that I pointed out. Also, it may very well be that by the end we will find out there actually were only three ancient weapons. But there has been no evidence so far in the story of the number of types of ancient weapons. We've found out about two so far and its been implied that there is as many ancient weapons as one less than the number of poneglyphs since only the Rio Poneglyph contains the true history.

 

[Ninja_Pirate]

@Anduren .. As per my understanding of poneglyphs .. there are two types.. one contains the history and other tells the location of poneglyph which has that piece of true history... making all this pieces join together.. is what makes rio poneglyph and rio poneglyph is not a stone itself.. it translates as true history which will be weaved by taking short pieces from all available poneglyphs ... Also its not like all poneglyphs gives a location of one weapon.. we have seen a poneglyph at ohara library.. which contains a piece of true history but there was no mention of any weapon when doc clover spoke of it.. what cud be interpreted is that stone contains the name of the ancient kingdom which Dr. clover was about to speak before getting shot... But i remember that robin also knew what was written on that poneglyph that means she must be knowing the name of the ancient kingdom that Dr. clover was about to tell that time... and has been kept secret by oda for later stage///

 

[Anduren]

@Ninja_Pirate You're right about there being two types of poneglyphs, one containing history and another containing information/location of an ancient weapon. This means that not all poneglyphs other than the Rio Poneglyph contains information about an ancient weapon, so I will concede that. But I have to disagree with some of what you said here:

...one contains the history and other tells the location of poneglyph which has that piece of true history... making all this pieces join together.. is what makes rio poneglyph and rio poneglyph is not a stone itself.. it translates as true history which will be weaved by taking short pieces from all available poneglyphs ...

When Robin was reading out the poneglyph at Alubarna she was reading out aloud the history that had taken place before the void century (years 229 to 325- about 400 years before the void century). So to say that the poneglyphs that contain pieces of the true history doesn't mean they contain pieces of the void century's events....just the time line since before the void century. It is my understanding that the Rio Poneglyph is the actual stone that contains the void century's history as opposed to random historical information. Also, since the poneglyphs were made by the people of the ancient kingdom, it also means that the Rio Poneglyph was the last one they managed to make before their kingdom fell... meaning it contains the last of the true history including that of the void century ending the time line of recorded history woven into the other older poneglyphs located all over the world whose chronological order leads to the Rio Poneglyph at the end. Because of this, its possible that reading ANY of the older poneglyphs that contains historical information can give you the name of the ancient kingdom since the poneglyphs were made during the ancient kingdom's time (not after it fell). I'm guessing this is why reading poneglyphs was banned....not specifically because of the Rio Poneglyph, but because information about the ancient kingdom can be gleaned from studying any one of them, hence the member of the Gorousei who said "Ohara has learned too much" (Chapter 395, page 10) just after he ordered Professor Clover shot.

Tying this back to the Gorousei's emblem and the world government.....If this means that the ancient weapons also existed long before the void century, it's possible that they might not have played a part in what happened in the void century. Or maybe, it was due to the ancient weapons that the ancient kingdom remained in power, and the fall of the ancient kingdom came about when the founders of the world government managed to disable these ancient weapons. This would explain why Franky and the line of shipwrights at Water 7 had blueprints for things capable of opposing the likes of Pluton.

EDIT: I also wanted to make the distinction (just in case) about true history vs "fake" history....the world government has only banned studying the void century meaning they don't prevent the study of history before the void century through books (which contain "fake" history with the ancient kingdom edited out of it). This is why the poneglyphs with historical information contain "true" history....as in the unedited history through the eyes of the people of the ancient kingdom before their existence was erased from books and texts at the time of the void century.

 

[$nipe]

I tried to draw it but there are too many blurry details.

 

[chess4]

i willing to bet anything that the gorousei are ancient warriors and during the void century they were the generals who led the attack on the ancient kingdom. For their loyal service, the celestial dragons gave them some type of altered fruit that gave them immortality or long life and allowed them to be the gorusei and ruke the world.

If you look at them they have scares and they look like warriors.....there emblem was probably the sign of the army they led agaisnt the the ancient kingdom

 

[Uriel]

I tried to draw it but there are too many blurry details.

Nice work!

Well, I guess you'll have a closer look later. If you're using vector it will be easier.

 

[Geez]

Last chapter proved me right !!

At least for ancient weapons part, for now i can't be sure for the emblem... The number 3 comes often in the story, there are:

1. 3 known races : "Moon men", Fishmen and Men. (all having their sub-species like Giants or Birkans)
2. 3 strongholds : Enies-lobby, Impel-Down and Marineford
3. 3 ancient weapons : Pluto, Poseidon and Ouranos
4. 3 great powers: marines, shichibukai and Yonko
5. 3 types of demon fruits: Logia, Paramecia and Zoan

Imo those who seem to fit the most are the bold ones. I was focusing on the weapons but knowing that the Gorosei doesn't possess one or two of them makes me doubt the theory.
Whereas the strongholds in the Tarai current are quite mysterious. Their shapes are not random, they can be an hint to trigger the giant whirlpool and reveal what is hidden in it. (But again, it's a bit far-fetched 'cause fishmen are near the current and they could have seen what's in there.) So basically, an eclipse should do the trick.

Also I noticed something about the emblem not so long ago. It reminds me of the Seal of Solomon which could allow him to control demons, genies and talk to animals. Even though there are no triangles in the emblem, it's a weird coincidence with the demon fruits
Thus, can we assume they sealed something or someone too dangerous? Maybe the "protective elements" are in fact the keys that sealed the thing which can be Raftel, or Joy Boy himself.
The last one is far-fetched but interesting because, well it's new and we know that he couldn't keep a promise. Was that a willing sacrifice to end a war?

Well, well I come with more questions than answers!!

 

[kkck]

how about the monster trio (luffy, zoro and sanji) and the purely hypothetical monster trio of the roger pirates (gold roger, silver railey, and bronze -seriously, what are the odds of a bronze not being somewhere around there?)