Discussion The top 5 nen users excluding Meruem

[NoFreakingWay]

Alright...
i just read these sites wich NoFreakingWay posted:


..and from these we know that the Card Kaito lost was not the License Card from Gin, but the Certificate for the Two Star Hunter. The Number wich is on is the Number the Hunter get after he finished the Hunter Exam, and this Card is simply nothing more than something like a "proof" that he accomplished great enough things that he went to be a two star hunter.
Its kinda worthless i guess, because the information is also on the original Hunter License.
So i think that after you accomplish the one or two star Hunter level, you wont get a new license but the certificate for rising up to be one with the original Hunter ID on it.
There is no Two Star Hunter Exam, the Exam Number is the Number from the ordinary Hunter Exam, wich is printed on the Certificate.
Forthermore, Kaito told gon that Gin was often compared ti the three star hunters, but then he hunted him to be a "real" hunter. And within all the Time from the Point where Gin and Kaito meet to the moment now Gin could be risen to be a three star Hunter already.
I mean why should a certificate card with his number on it have the information of what happened after it was given to the person. Its just something like an honor badge. No wonder Gin gave it away. Because he still has his Hunterlicense.

Dude I'm sorry but what are you talking about? What Kaito dropped and Gon picked up is indeed a Hunter License Card, and it is Ging's Hunter License Card. It has some identifying marks on it like the name of the owner, the number which tells us when it was issued, and other things, like the Stars you get as a Hunter (this is how we know Ging is a 2-star Hunter).

It has a lot of functions, like you can swipe it on a reader to gain access to the Electronic Brain (The Hunter database), and all sorts of crap (like how Gon pawned his own Card it to raise money for the Auctions).

You should see how important it is because it gives the Hunter a lot of access to almost everything. Kurapika and Leorio explain its worth in one of the links I posted. That's why it's so important. Netero's Marshmallow-like secretary even mentioned that your first job as a Hunter is to take care of your Hunter License Card. It's that important to one's identity and mobility as a Hunter.

If you've ever played the newer Pokemon games there's a ID-like menu that is similar to the Hunter License card.

Why Ging abandoned it, I don't know. One could say that it's too boring for him to get a hold of all the benefits provided by the Hunter. Or it's a ballsy way of saying "I don't care about being a 'Hunter' anymore". Or he found something disagreeable or limiting with the Hunter Association system that drove him to make a statement by becoming a folk hero that's beyond anything provided by the merits given by the body. That's how badass he is, he's like a One Piece pirate whose status is comparable to Gold Roger in this manga except he's still alive inspiring our imaginations at what he could be doing at this time.

 

[BurnSchulz]

Dude I'm sorry but what are you talking about? What Kaito dropped and Gon picked up is indeed a Hunter License Card, and it is Ging's Hunter License Card. It has some identifying marks on it like the name of the owner, the number which tells us when it was issued, and other things, like the Stars you get as a Hunter (this is how we know Ging is a 2-star Hunter).

But in this page: http://www.mangareader.net/207-14047-13/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-38.html he tells Gon that this is a Certificate, not a license.
Of Course the Certificate has an identification Number, must be the Same Number as on the Original Hunter License to indentificade that this Certificate belongs to Gin.
License =/= Certificate
Look. This "Certificate" has this Chain thing like a Key Holder on it, the original License has not. After reading this pages you postet i doubt that Hunters will become New Licenses if they Rise up. I mean they say that they have to keep them well, so why giving them other ones then?
The License Card already proofs that he is a hunter, the Star level is more like an award, and for that you get this as a Certificate. Gin wouldnt throw his License away when you think about that the very first rule of a hunter is to keep that card. I mean look at all the benefits and permissions you got with that card. Like free travel to most countries, why should gin renounce to have that right if he wants to do all the great things he does?
He wouldnt want to be illigal intruder there...


.... Maybe except he wants to play a game with other Hunters like Carmen Sandiego and to find him also means to send him to Jail because all the Things he does were Illegal.....

 

[NoFreakingWay]

But in this page: http://www.mangareader.net/207-14047-13/hunter-x-hunter/chapter-38.html he tells Gon that this is a Certificate, not a license.
Of Course the Certificate has an identification Number, must be the Same Number as on the Original Hunter License to indentificade that this Certificate belongs to Gin.
License =/= Certificate
Look. This "Certificate" has this Chain thing like a Key Holder on it, the original License has not. After reading this pages you postet i doubt that Hunters will become New Licenses if they Rise up. I mean they say that they have to keep them well, so why giving them other ones then?
The License Card already proofs that he is a hunter, the Star level is more like an award, and for that you get this as a Certificate. Gin wouldnt throw his License away when you think about that the very first rule of a hunter is to keep that card. I mean look at all the benefits and permissions you got with that card. Like free travel to most countries, why should gin renounce to have that right if he wants to do all the great things he does?
He wouldnt want to be illigal intruder there...


.... Maybe except he wants to play a game with other Hunters like Carmen Sandiego and to find him also means to send him to Jail because all the Things he does were Illegal.....

Why would they have to issue another License when they could just do some modifications to the Original License to make it distinct from the normal Hunter Exam? And the modifications would be the cosmetic changes you saw on the so-called "Certificate".

Ging doesn't care about being a "Hunter" anymore. There's something in being a Hunter that I think is restrictive to Ging's wants and needs. Throwing away a "certificate" that doesn't affect anything about him being a Hunter is meaningless as a statement. The certificate must hold some equal or higher value to the normal Hunter License (since it distinguishes one from a normal Hunter Exam passer) or else the Hunter Association itself wouldn't bother printing them anymore. It is supposed to be value only for the Hunter and others won't be able to make use of it anyway so it's a big statement to throw something valuable away.

 

[BurnSchulz]

Ging doesn't care about being a "Hunter" anymore.

Thats the point i can´t agree with even if we have no clue what Gin is up to nowadays. I´m Sorry, but i still dont believe that this "thing" with the keychain on it is anywhere near the value of the real Hunter license.

 

[Ares Eurus]

Ging Freecss IS ONE OF THE TOP 5 POWERFUL CHARACTER NEN USER INSIDE THE STORY NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!.

Ging Freecss, Gon's father, is an Archaeological Hunter and is Gon's motivation to become a Hunter because of his absence in Gon's life. Nearly nothing is known about him except that he is a "Double Hunter" (two stars) and has the qualifications, according to "Satotz - the first examiner", to become a Triple Hunter (three stars). He is extremely rich and as powerful as the president of a country. All other information about him is classified even in the official Hunters database. Netero said to Bisuke that Ging is one of the five best Nen users in the world. He is also the main creator of the Greed Island game.
Ging claims that he does not want to see Gon because he is too ashamed of himself for being absent in Gon's life. Despite that he seems confident in Gon's abilities and knows him better than anyone, as it was implied that he created Greed Island with the purpose of help with his training, to the point that he was willing to allow Gon to meet with him after beating the game, and claims that there was no need to visit him at the hospital as he is sure that despite being seriously injured, he will eventually recover. His codename is "Boar" and is one of the only two members who do not mimic its corresponding animal. His first real appearance in the manga is in chapter 319, where his suggestion of having all hunters elegible to vote or be a candidate in the election to decide the next chairman is chosen by a lottery. Ging Freecss indeed is one of the best , mysterious, powerful character in HXH as the orginal author really created the story for GON's adventure/quest to find his father someday and be eligible to meet him in person.

REMEMBER " GING IS ONE OF THE CREATOR OF GREED ISLAND AND CAPTURED RAZOR WHO HAPPENED TO BE SO POWERFUL THAT KILLUA, HISOKA, BISUKE AND GON TEAM UP JUST TO DEFEAT HIM "IN A GAME".


Imagine how powerful GING is that even SATOTZ a triple star hunter admire GING. It will be fair enough if the new author will acknowledge the character of GING as being created by the original author, "ONE OF THE TOP 5 NEN USER", "THE ONLY ONE WHO PASSED THE HUNTER EXAM ON HIS BATCH AS BEING RECOGINZED BY SATOTZ AS GON SHOWED IT TO HIM (SERIAL NUMBER -SHOWING THE DATE WHEN ONLY A SINGLE PERSON PASSED THE HUNTER EXAM AND SATOTZ KNOW IT/RECOGNIZED THE DATE SHOWED ON IT) " "EVEN THE CHAIRMAN OF HUNTER ORG RECOGNIZES HIM AS ONE OF THE DARKHORSE IN THE STORY" and "all other information about him is VERY CLASSIFIED EVEN INSIDE HUNTER ORG" "A VERY RICH AND POWERFUL CHARACTER AS SATOTZ TOLD GON" when Gon asked him about the HUNTER CARD he has on hand " This belong to a TWO STAR HUNTER ALL OTHER INFORMATION IS CLASSIFIED EVEN IN HUNTER ORGANIZATION - He can be compared to a president of a country who is very rich and powerful and the one who discovered RUIN OF LULUKA"

 

[Uriel]

Aside Hunters there is plenty powerful people in HxH world. I'm betting the Top Floor Master on Celestial Tower is one of these top 5.
..And maybe Pariston as well, since it was portrayed as equal to Ging at some point.

Not declared or recognized, I would say Alluka.

 

[NoFreakingWay]

SATOTZ a triple star hunter

I dunno about that.

Oh well. Probably New Kaito is in the mix there now.

Would say Ging is in there, purely due to Netero's remark.

Alluka though, well... I haven't seen her use her ability to help herself, so I can't call her one of the top guys. The top guys would be able to fully control their powers. Alluka, so far, couldn't. So I don't acknowledge her even though her ability is dang powerful.

 

[Uriel]

Nanika actually uses her power to impress Killua in her own will. She doesn't need nothing so it's why She doesn't help herself. But as far as an ability goes, this one is the most delicate and complicate we have ever seen in HxH with rules that allows her to completely ignore the strength of anyone.

That's what I call power.

 

[NoFreakingWay]

Nanika actually uses her power to impress Killua in her own will. She doesn't need nothing so it's why She doesn't help herself.

The question here is: does she use this power to help herself and not others?

She is useless to herself. She can't even defend herself. That's why she needs to be defended by the likes of Killua. She needs Killua to make decisions for her, at times. If her control over her power is absolute then she'd never be treated the way the rest of her family treats her.

Suppose you pit Netero against Alluka, who would win? Netero, obviously. Alluka really can't pester herself. Nanika doesn't seem to spam Nanika's powers with Nanika's own will. She'd be a sitting duck to Netero. She can't be in Netero's Top 5.

What I think Netero thinks is among the Top 5 are those people who have trained enough and are probably experienced enough. These don't count the Royal Guards, Meryem/ Meryem 2, Uber Gon, and Alluka/Nanika. They didn't train to get the strength they showed. They're on a power ranking outside Netero's so-called Top 5.

Even if Alluka/Nanika is shown (possibly in the future) to use his power with his own will, Alluka/Nanika still won't be eligible in the Top 5, since he's in the same class as Meryem who gained their power using unconventional, non-training means.

EDIT: Yep, I suck. BurnSchultz won that little discussion in this thread. Getting hit by my own logic (or getting hit by the failure of my logic) hah...

 

[Uriel]

We're not talking about fighters and it's not Netero Top 5. It's the world top 5 and I'm sure there must be someone there who doesn't fight. It's about Nen, and Nen is about complexity of the soul and how to proficiently use it. In the second part I must agree that Alluka is not there, but in terms of complexity and raw power Nanika is probably the Nen living most complex ever made thus being able to win a spot there.

 

[NoFreakingWay]

We're not talking about fighters and it's not Netero Top 5.

Oh really?

1. Alluka/Nanika
2. Zombie Pitou
3. Uber Gon
4. Centaur Yupi
5. Pufu

I didn't include New Kaito yet cuz' I haven't seen her fight. Zombie Pitou and Uber Gon could be interchangeable.

Rankings change so expect this to change as Togashi shows moar.

Thread closed...?

 

[Uriel]

I meant that it's not Netero Top 5 in the sense that it's the world ranking. Which we don't know.
I said Alluka could be in the top 5 if She was known.

I hate sarcasm. ¬¬

 

[XXGenesis]

I wouldn't count any of the Ants even though they can use Nen...They obviously would take up most of the list....All the Royal Guards have inexhaustible amount of Nen ...Meruem was practically a God when he came back...Netero already mentioned he's not the strongest Nen user anymore and that Gin was in the top5......

Now with that info....Gin automatically makes the list and I would put Partison on the list as well simply for him being portrayed as Gin's equal in the Zodiac and he was an opposition against president Netero, as the Vice-Chairman constantly standing in his way.. Netero fight agasin't the king...Makes you wonder which nen user would be able to react to his Hatsu technique which he can activate in 0.1 seconds....

Also We've seen Hatsu abilities and knowledge of Nen can decide the battle so not just because Nen users are strong doesn't mean they can't be defeated with somebody with less Aura....But a few more Notable experienced Nen users are....Zeno, Silva, Illumi, Hisoka, Kuruo, Razor, Morau.........

There are also specialization users such as Alluka and the girl who could tell ya fortune and other who aren't hunters but can use nen and maybe hide this ability...Also Hisoka appearing during the election and started ranking pro hunters....Most notably he rated Illimu 95 and the BOar zodiac a 90....He rated the GI girl 77 and fronwed but her Nen hatsu i'm sure is pretty skilled and sweet she's just not a fighter so....I believe the fans could possibly create a top 10 but not a top 5 because..We haven't seen what spectacular Hatsu or nen abilites most of the characters have and GI creators are obviously some pretty impressive nen user.......

And When Netero said that I don't believe he was entire talking about fighting capabilities but exactly how unique and potent they are with thier nen abilities...

 

[Sea Hunter]

It's top 5 nen users in the world, doesn't mean they can't be beaten that's another discussion.
We know Ging is one of them but we don't know anyone else for sure it's just guesses / speculations. Are we even sure Netero is among them? he himself said he's not as half strong as he was before, but i think from seeing his fight it's hard to imagine a stronger human tbh..

Most likely Hisoka isn't one of them, but according to the data books Togashi raised Hisoka's overall level between the 2 released Databooks that showed power levels, meaning he's not at his prime yet and that monster is still growing, probably same goes with Kuroro.

Some possibilites for the top 10, ant Kaito in the near future, Maha? (way past his prime but could be just like Netero's case), top floor master as stated before, one of the unknown creators of GI, Jairo? , Biske chama, maybe one of the 5000 hybrid ants...

As for Alluka / Nanika we don't know for sure that it doesn't use her power for her own because it doesn't have a motivation for anything for herself, or that she CAN'T use it for herself, if she can then she's above Mureum even...

 

[NoFreakingWay]

I meant that it's not Netero Top 5 in the sense that it's the world ranking. Which we don't know.
I said Alluka could be in the top 5 if She was known.

I hate sarcasm. ¬¬

I wouldn't count any of the Ants even though they can use Nen...They obviously would take up most of the list....All the Royal Guards have inexhaustible amount of Nen ...Meruem was practically a God when he came back...Netero already mentioned he's not the strongest Nen user anymore and that Gin was in the top5......

Now with that info....Gin automatically makes the list and I would put Partison on the list as well simply for him being portrayed as Gin's equal in the Zodiac and he was an opposition against president Netero, as the Vice-Chairman constantly standing in his way.. Netero fight agasin't the king...Makes you wonder which nen user would be able to react to his Hatsu technique which he can activate in 0.1 seconds....

Also We've seen Hatsu abilities and knowledge of Nen can decide the battle so not just because Nen users are strong doesn't mean they can't be defeated with somebody with less Aura....But a few more Notable experienced Nen users are....Zeno, Silva, Illumi, Hisoka, Kuruo, Razor, Morau.........

There are also specialization users such as Alluka and the girl who could tell ya fortune and other who aren't hunters but can use nen and maybe hide this ability...Also Hisoka appearing during the election and started ranking pro hunters....Most notably he rated Illimu 95 and the BOar zodiac a 90....He rated the GI girl 77 and fronwed but her Nen hatsu i'm sure is pretty skilled and sweet she's just not a fighter so....I believe the fans could possibly create a top 10 but not a top 5 because..We haven't seen what spectacular Hatsu or nen abilites most of the characters have and GI creators are obviously some pretty impressive nen user.......

And When Netero said that I don't believe he was entire talking about fighting capabilities but exactly how unique and potent they are with thier nen abilities...

It's top 5 nen users in the world, doesn't mean they can't be beaten that's another discussion.
We know Ging is one of them but we don't know anyone else for sure it's just guesses / speculations. Are we even sure Netero is among them? he himself said he's not as half strong as he was before, but i think from seeing his fight it's hard to imagine a stronger human tbh..

Most likely Hisoka isn't one of them, but according to the data books Togashi raised Hisoka's overall level between the 2 released Databooks that showed power levels, meaning he's not at his prime yet and that monster is still growing, probably same goes with Kuroro.

Some possibilites for the top 10, ant Kaito in the near future, Maha? (way past his prime but could be just like Netero's case), top floor master as stated before, one of the unknown creators of GI, Jairo? , Biske chama, maybe one of the 5000 hybrid ants...

As for Alluka / Nanika we don't know for sure that it doesn't use her power for her own because it doesn't have a motivation for anything for herself, or that she CAN'T use it for herself, if she can then she's above Mureum even...

Let's just remember that when Netero said Ging was amongst the Top 5 Nen Users, The Royal Guards and the King weren't born yet.

Anyway, if we give too many allowances for Nen Users we have already seen but haven't seen in a fight, or those we haven't even seen yet, then there's no point to discuss a Top 5 or even Top 10 ranking. Why? The list would go like this:

1. The God of Nen (we will probably never see this god fight)
2. Another God that we will never see
3. Another God that we already saw but hasn't seen in a fight yet
4. A Nen User we already saw but we haven't seen in a fight yet
5. Some Nen User that can do everything Alluka/Nanika could do except that Nen User could do more

Pretty pointless right?

That's why I think the proper Top 5 list should include Nen Users who have fulfilled the following:

1. Someone we actually saw fight and got to showcase a lot of their powers
2. Someone who trained their powers and didn't just get them since birth
3. Someone who could defend themselves

This way Meryem, the Royal Guards and Alluka/Nanika would not qualify and would make the list actually interesting to think about. Ging would not qualify either, but that's OK. We haven't seen him fight. He might get a chance to show it - that's up to Togashi. It's not our fault Ging didn't get to show off his glaciers of bad-assery. We shouldn't kick ourselves thinking about how strong someone could be if they haven't shown it. Unless that's what you like.

This is just like creating a Hatsu without using Specialization. We think a lot more based on what the manga has already shown.

 

[Phantron]

The top 5 are all clearly guys who are well-known in the world so if people didn't recognize them as being top 5 already then they're clearly not top 5 material. This means Gin is the only human character thus far that can be top 5 not counting the Zodiac (mostly because they've no real interaction with the main cast, not because they're powerful).

If you mean top 5 including all non human species including guys who appear to came from another planet (Uber Gon) or dimension (Alluka), it'd pretty much be the 3 Royal Guards + Uber Gon + Nanika.

Now if you talk about people who conceiveably could be considered as human beings in the world of HXH, and presumably we're also talking about the 5 strongest guy in the world (someone could be very powerful in aura but not necessarily good at fighting), based on the existing cast, I'd say:

Gin, Dragon, Silva, Hisoka, and Razor.

Dragon because he's said to be the most accomplished of the Zodiac, which means he's even more well-known than Gin. Pariston doesn't get in because he's literally a question mark in terms of power. He also repeatedly said that he is quite weak himself, and while he's probably lying, there's no evidence toward him being a fighting oriented person.

Silva gets it for being the leader of the family. In HXH people actually get old and become worse due to age. If Netero who was once definitely #1 considers himself out of top 5 for being old, then Maha cannot be in top 5 for the reason (similar age to Netero, must be weaker than Netero at prime by definition). Zeno doesn't make the list because again he's old. In the fight against Kuroro the dialogue indicates that he considers himself expendable compared to Silva, which would imply Silva ought to be stronger.

Razor gets in simply because he pretty much walked away without a scratch in the dodgeball game against one of the stronger teams assembled in HXH. Note that the dodgeball game is not even his most favorable matchup (Reinforcement has an advantage here). By the way, Razor is a convicted killer and he seems to be well versed in the ways of killing people too (he throws fireball in people's face and blow them up), which is actually a pretty big advantage in HXH since there are apparently a lot of people who are physically strong but not good at killing people (Biscuit is the best example of this). It's hard to imagine he'd actually be on the top 5 list since he was defeated by Gin, but we got no other characters to work with.

Hisoka gets in because there's no one else left who is both strong and trained in the way of killing people. He beats Ilumi since he gives Ilumi a score of less than 100 (assuming himself is 100). Kuroro doesn't get in because Kuroro can be defeated by ranged bombardment attacks like what Zeno did. Overall Kuroro should be considered as a better master of aura, but his ability is not optimized for fighting. He's the leader and the brain of the Spiders, not the limbs. Really out of the characters not Gin here he might be the most qualified to be in top 5 if it means overall mastery of aura (including noncombat purposes) but if you get into noncombat stuff, you literally have no idea how to compare two different people.

 

[Li Mochou]

1. netero --> he was the strongest. and what makes him the strongest is probably hyakushiki kannon and his speed. until his old age, he still had those. so, he could be still at least top 5 in the world.

2. ging --> netero said himself he was in top 5

3. yupi --> he almost killed shoot in 10 secs. his aura is 10 times of morau which is CRAZY! he can turn his body into any weapon. he is physically strong (killua's, shoot's, morau's deep purple attack was useless on him). he could go through crater which is lava hot. he is possibly whitstand pain packer.

4. pitou --> with 0 exp, he killed kaito ruthlessly and quite easily.

5. pufu --> with his beelzebub, spiritual message and hypnotic scales, plus flying capability, he's nearly invisible.

another candidate is razor/zeno/silva/hisoka/kuroro.

 

[Phantron]

Netero would be top 5 for sure if it's a ranking that involves strength in a controlled environment, i.e. Celestial Tower.

But if you're talking about strength in a to the death environment, he can't possibly be top 5. You can't judge the power of someone by the size of the crater people make, since Uber Gon is unfathomably stronger than any human characters in the story (his regular attack does >10000 AP if you assume there's no way a single punch from Yupi can make Pitou cough up blood after one hit) but the size of the crater he makes isn't any bigger. Yet we're talking about a character whose regular attack is >10000 AP (instant kill against any human level endurance). Netero is clearly out of his prime, so his speed/physical strength can't be higher than someone in his prime. His move might be able to knock you down, but it's not going to kill you easily.

Besides, in nearly his entire life he's never been seriously challenged by any opponent, which means he is not likely to have any experience in to-the-death fights. It's said repeatedly in HXH that some things can only be learned in the face of death, and how can a man who was practically invinicible in his prime learn things like that? He'd have the same issue Killua had, namely just training super hard and never fighting anyone on par of your level makes you very good by the numbers, but you won't be very good in a real fight to the death. Of course, Netero's problem was that there was literally nobody on his level during his prime, not due to a lack of willingness to challenge himself, but the same point still stands. There's no way Netero can possibly have much experience fighting similar/stronger opponents to the death, because none existed when he was in his prime and he's obviously not fighting people to the death regularly at the age of 100+.

 

[Uriel]

And if we consider Top 5 only in terms complexity of Nen who those would be?

 

[Phantron]

And if we consider Top 5 only in terms complexity of Nen who those would be?

That's pretty much impossible to tell because how complicated is it to learn an ability like Neon's or Pakunoda's?

Novu and Kuroro gets my vote for having the most powerful noncombat (at least not strictly) abilities.