E.S Hody vs Rob Lucci

[kkck]

The whole "merman are the fastest while underwater" thing has to be taken into context. That logic would work only when the 2 people we are comparing are of the same level. If we compare a normal mermaid against any other normal creature of the sea (sea kings and sea beasts for example) the mermaid would naturally be the faster but once you get into beings who exceed the norm things change a decent bit. Hodi is a prime example, he gained a lot of strength and thus was able to surpass a mermaid. In this regard, anyone with enough strength should also be able to swim faster than a mermaid regardless of the norm. Luffy had his limitations even with the bubble, the sea drains his strength. That would not be the case at all with either zoro or sanji. Sanji has a special underwater movement technique and zoro already showed he could blitz hodi. I would think that either of them would be able to go out of the bubble and defeat hodi before they run out of oxygen. The issue here is that at least zoro was already shown to be strong enough to make fodder out of hodi and sanji is never that far behind. Heck, for another comparison, wasn't hyozu stronger than hodi by quite a bit to begin with? Post transformation hodi was not able to block a punch from luffy while this guy was able to do it before his transformation and even after the transformation he was not match whatsoever for zoro.

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

Schabrak
I think you just didn't get my point. I was trying to say that even though Luffy's attacks are insanely strong (if just his partly Gear 2 punch with Haki and without hardening efffect destroyed Pacifista (not only KOed it, but also made it explode)), so that is an indication of Hodi's toughness. That's why I don't think that Lucci's attacks that are nowhere near current Luffy's attacks will make any problem for Hodi.
Also I do believe that Hodi's attacks are at least at the same level of strength as Lucci's or maybe even stronger.
About Red Hawk... I won't change my opinion until it will be shown in anime, cause now it looks more like he made a hole in Hodi's body. At least for me.

P.S. Please, read what I wrote and why and don't judge before that. Especially when you tried to compare my post with some other guy.

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kkck
I would agree on your explanation of Hodi's strength and speed, but still he is the fastest in Fishman Island in water with the exeption of maybe Jimbei. Sanji was shown to be fast, but we also don't know to what degree. I can agree that Zoro and Sanji can win, but we also can't judge how much stronger Hodi became after Zoro fought against him. When the pills were introduced we heard that the first pill doubles your power and the second doubles again, but Hodi ate about 10 pills, so it can be a serious problem for Zoro or Sanji if the fight was in water. In land I agree that Zoro and Sanji can win against him, but still not that easily as we saw him taking pretty much damage against Luffy.
Also yes he managed to one-shoted Hodi in their encounter, but then he needed to breath, but now I don't think that he will have the opotunity to breath and don't think he will one-shot Hodi, so it won't be easy. And even though he defeated Hyozou rather easy he was still using his three swods attacks and they should be quite strong. Even though he fought not that long he used rather strong attacks judging from the number of swords he normally uses, when he fights easy opponents..

 

[kkck]

Well, obviously the strength of lucci's attacks is nowhere near the current luffy. I don't see where this thing about lucci being stronger than pre time skip luffy is coming from. If lucci was stronger he would have won the fight. Both of them fought to the bitter end and the worst case scenario is that they are equal. It just does not make a shred of sense for lucci to be superior to luffy. Now, how would lucci as we last saw him compare to current luffy? If lucci actually was fodder compared to current luffy he would actually be several times stronger than what he is. Lucci compared to current luffy is massively weaker and massively slower than luffy, there is simply no contest as to this. Lucci was never strong when compared to actual strong people, he at best had the level of rookies who we already saw that even with their entire crew could barely beat a pacifista. Hodi wins simply because none of lucci's attacks would be able to harm him. And current luffy would one shot 10 luccis easily.

 

[RezzieThaRapper]

Lucci wins this... quite easily...

Hody cannot handle his speed on land... PERIOD...

Shigan is exactly like Snake Shot, and Lucci wouldn't be afraid to go straight for the kill...

Rankyuu (the leg slash) raining down from above would assimilate Hody

Not to mention Geppou, what exactly is Hody going to do to take him down, I doubt he'll deal with that even half as good as the strawhats

Hell... and then he definitely doesn't have Luffy's will power, Lucci's insults would alone crush Hody's morale... he'd probably overdose on pills trying to get the adavantage... and while he's in pain, Rokugan - Largest Ring... Game Over...

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I think you guys are grossly underestimating Luffy before the timeskip... He definitely had the strength to deal with many top tiers... just no way to hit em...

Rokugan bypasses the body like an Impact Dial...

Lucci would overwhelm him with speed, coolness, and overall more Lethalization...

and not to mention, Hody cannot hit Rob Lucci... He'll just dodge all of his attacks... "ALL OF HIS ATTACKS"

I think some of you forgot what it means to be a master of Rokushiki

 

[kkck]

^Why would lucci's attacks have an effect on hodi when even luffy's haki enhanced new attacks are not enough to take him down? That is a gross overstimation of the speed and power lucci has. Lucci does not even have the power to take down a mere pacifista, why in the world would his attacks work against a creature that much more resitance? It makes no sense whatsoever. Even in terms of speed I doubt lucci would have an edge if any.

 

[Schabrak]

RezzieThaRapper
You mean assasinaion and lethality, don't create words.:P

Lucci would overwhelm him with speed, coolness, and overall more Lethalization...

As kkck mentioned, I don't see how you were able to compare their speed, even less with Bizarrohody, who had no equal on Fisherman Island, but probably Jinbe[citizens no one else] in strength and no one in speed. As if Hody would care about coolness, just as about lethality, they are in equal in that characteristic.

 

[RezzieThaRapper]

RezzieThaRapper
You mean assasinaion and lethality, don't create words.:P


As kkck mentioned, I don't see how you were able to compare their speed, even less with Bizarrohody, who had no equal on Fisherman Island, but probably Jinbe[citizens no one else] in strength and no one in speed. As if Hody would care about coolness, just as about lethality, they are in equal in that characteristic.

sorry for creating words sensei... I just wanted to be a dictionary when I got older... :0)

Hody may be able to tank powerful attacks... but Lucci is damn powerful... and he has a lot of stamina... Hody is nowhere near the speed of Gear 2nd... or Soru in general... Hody isn't agile or as battle ready as Luffy...

Shigan will rip through Hody's retina's, ears, nostrils, gills, anus, ect...

Rankakyu will put his body through hell... he obviously isn't that great against cutting attacks (Zoro)

Soru will ensure that Lucci keeps his speed advantage

Kami-E will ensure he dodges any amateur fishman-karate

Geppou will give him the freedom to rain down attacks over Hody

Tekkai will be more than enough to block that fishman technique, should Hody go through the impossible and hit Lucci

and when Hody is finally passing out due to pure one-sideness I just mentioned... a Rokugan will end him...

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Honestly, Rob Lucci was highly overpowered... Hody would be wrecked... no speed, no agility, and weak technique...

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And being the fastest on Fishmen Island, is like being the Greatest Swordsman on Fishmen Island... it don't mean shit to someone who is simply better than you overall...

 

[Schabrak]

You make baseless claims about how Hody would fare against Rokushiki techniques, so let me try to do the same.

Hodys trident, shark arrows, his teeth and his sword on his back attack will rip Lucci apart. More pills will ensure his speed and power advantage. -> One or two attacks will hit and weaken Lucci. So will he pierce him or will he be a coward and us shockwave attacks?? *simplified for effect*

In the end Lucci wasn't able to take a normal jet gatling, while Hody took attacks a couple magnitude stronger than the first mentioned technque.

 

[RezzieThaRapper]

You say that my claims are baseless... but all I'm doing is looking at the facts... I doubt that any of those attacks will even touch Lucci...

Lucci may not have the physical power to one shot him... but he is more than quick enough to dodge and has many ways to damage Hodi without touching him...

Unless you think Hodi can kill Lucci in one hit then I doubt he'll be able to get more than one strike...

 

[Naruffy]

I voted Hody just because of he could tank a lot of what Rob Lucci can dish out. That said, I do think that Rob Lucci has been shown to be faster, Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember Hody being shown moving at Soru or Gear 2 level speeds He does have much greater strength and is built like a tank, not sure how many attacks it would take for Hody to take out Rob Lucci, but I think Hody would win mainly because of his stamina and ability to take hits.

 

[Shader]

Okay guys,for all those who post "Hody will stomp Lucci without breakin a sweat!"
Explain us WHY would he do that? And please dont say "case Luffy didnt oneshoted him!"
This topic about who will win in Hody vs Rob Lucci, not a "whom Luffy can beat easyly after timeskipp"
read both fights and realise already:
Luffy pretimeskip<<Luffy now
Hody<<Luffy now
Rob Lucci>Luffy pretimeskip (and for all those who think Luffy was stronger then him...pleeease...Luffy lost to him....Rob was defeated only to move story on,not becase he was weaker then Luffy,Rob Lucci even stomped Luffy down whe Luffy said "you wont hit me again" it was a pure plot-kai)
And this thing not about who will oneshot who,this thing about winning..as i already said,Hody maybe a tin,but Lucci in this case is like an opener,Hody got lot of stamina,but bloodloss is a pretty major thing and Hody does not immune to bullet-like attacks(like Luffy lol) so eventualy Lucci will win...he can do it by simple hit and run tactic...and as already been stated...Hody not even close a Luccis speed.

 

[damane08]

You make baseless claims about how Hody would fare against Rokushiki techniques, so let me try to do the same.

Hodys trident, shark arrows, his teeth and his sword on his back attack will rip Lucci apart. More pills will ensure his speed and power advantage. -> One or two attacks will hit and weaken Lucci. So will he pierce him or will he be a coward and us shockwave attacks?? *simplified for effect*

In the end Lucci wasn't able to take a normal jet gatling, while Hody took attacks a couple magnitude stronger than the first mentioned technque.

Show me this speed that Hodi has on land...
Just one panel out of the manga that makes you think Hodi is fast on land. Just one... I'll wait...

There's also a HUGE difference between taking an attack when you're fresh to taking an attack when you're worn out.
Lucci wasn't able to take a Jet Gatling because of all the accumulated damage dude, it's not like it was the first attack he hit him with.

 

[Rosebullet Teacher]

Im sure Rob Lucci has increased his power in these past 2 years and veering away from the topic slightly i see pre-ES Hodi getting smashed by him cos he really had nothing going for him. Luccis whole being is physical attacks & smarts, after a tekkai gets broken by an attack or rankyaku doesnt show affect hes gonna stay spamming Leopard Form Rokougans and keep himself far outta Hodis grasp. On land hes fast as gear 2nd Luffy & like someone said he was toying with Luffy most the time they fought switch to leopard form and Hodi cant land a thing. Hodi just isnt gonna be able to touch him so i dont see his tank ability holding up against a combat genius who isnt trying to get hit. The fact that Hodi has to always dab the pills gives me a feeling that the boost is temporary like that Alabasta Strength Water stuff, so after a blow the effects gets nullified. Lucci will see the correlation & avoid him when hes beasting & find a way to get the pills outta the game broken arm, tear his clothes or something. Im basing this on Lucci increasing his skills

FuS

edit: wow i like how even it is, even though half the thread is Zoro & Sanji stuff offtopicness(sorry for creating an awesome word)you lusty temptress

 

[vagabond87]

Luffy survived fight with Lucci thanks to his rubber body and willpower. Nothing else.
BTW Lucci had Doriki at 4000 and compared to other it was extremly high- maby he "unlocked" Haki during his years in Galley-La and thats why he was giving so much damage to Luffy??? Dodging his attacks like Enel, he even catched Luffys arms just like Enel. Mayby Rokushiki is some form of haki usage? I know that anime isnt canon but in latest episode of anime Luffys elephant gun hand looked for the moment like covered by tekkai, then turned black. Dont take this too serious- just loose theory.

 

[Schabrak]

damane08
That's why I wrote about doing the same, using baseless claims.

The only time, when we see his on land speed is here: http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/637/2

Since we don't know the speed of those attacks, which is shown in those panels it's hard to compare their movement rate of motion and speed. => more panels shown for something don't translate to slower movement.

Rosebullet Teacher
I asumed we talk about their forms in their fights with Luffy, I have no doubt that if Lucci has trained in the meantime, he should be a lot stronger than back than and could win in a fight against Hody[on land].

 

[kkck]

Comparing the speed of hody and lucci is impossible. Luffy right now is a speed beast of gargantuan proportions, hodi could be 10 times faster than lucci and he still would not hold a candle to luffy in that department. In this regard I don't see how it is vaguely possible to argue lucci is faster than hodi. Still, arguing that lucci's attacks would scratch a tank like hodi is beyond absurd. A punch from the current luffy would one shot lucci easily, heck luffy alone should be more than enough to easily handle on his own CP9 as they were 2 years ago. Lucci from two years ago would not stand a chance in hell agains a pacifista, there is no way his attacks would even tickle transformed hodi, he is simply that resistant. The worst case scenario is that lucci would make a punching bag out of hodi and after he is done and exhausted hodi would finish him without so much as a scratch on him. Seriously, hodi took gear two, hardened, and fire punches with negligible damage to himself. After all of that he could keep on fighting and still luffy had to finish him off with his gear 3 gatling. For lucci to actually hurt hodi he would have to match with his attacks the sheer strength of luffy's attacks after his 2 year training. There is no way, it is simply absurd to suggest that lucci's attacks could conceivably come mildly close to luffy's current attacks (let alone the outright moronic notion that they could be as strong). Lucci was strong among rookies, anyone who gives luffy trouble now would grossly outclass lucci as he was two years ago.

 

[RezzieThaRapper]

kkck

I think you need to think about this a bit more... we know one of Lucci's assets is his speed...

Hody has actually not shown any speed in land... at all... now in the water it's a different fight..

But I highly doubt Hody will do so much as injure Lucci

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and Hody didn't really tank shit...

Red Hawk had Hody gagging on his steroids... Yea he stood for one more attack... but Lucci got back up after Gear 3rd with a Broken Leg... and continued to whoop ass...

Being a Tank just means it'll take longer to give a fully developed ass whooping...

 

[kkck]

Speed feats are relative to the speed of the enemy. That much is fact. Luffy right now is insanely stronger than what he was back in the day, so much that he is one shooting pacifistas while back then the combined might of his crew was barely a match for one. In this regard, how can we argue an enemy from now is slower than lucci even when an enemy of lucci's might right now would be less than fodder to current luffy in terms of strength, speed or stamina? I think you are the one who is not thinking this clearly lol. With what we have seen it is simply impossible to argue lucci is faster than anyone simply because current luffy grossly outclasses both of them. The points you are making would only make sense if luffy from 2 years ago would hold a candle against current luffy. Frankly, current luffy could fight 10 pre-timeskip luffy's and win comfortably.

 

[BlackHair]

The critical argument was brought by kkck already. Two years ago Luffy could not take down a pacisfista on his own, now its as easy as eating meat. I mean Luffy literally ate meat while he was asleep xD Also the Luffy two years ago was stronger than Enies Lobby Luffy, yet it was not possible for him. He now after the time skip is stronger by a lot.

About speed, Lucci do has more speed feats, and I believe he is indeed faster, even though it can't be compared! However what does speed do any good against a opponent who can tank everything from Lucci? Nothing! Hody would have just to tank everything and wait for a opening. After all Luccis endurance is infinitive.

Lastly there is this shounen rule that antagonist gets stronger as the story progress. This rule does not apply by 100% in one piece (Crocodile), but I just wanted this to throw into this discussion.

Hody wins by better feats.

 

[RezzieThaRapper]

What feats does Hody have on land (and even in water) aside from getting his ass whooped...

He can't tank cuts as Zoro showed us...

He doesn't have a rubber body... he'd be plugged full of holes rather quickly...

Rokugan bypasses exterior defense just like an impact dial...

Hody is merely a tank with no real offensive feats on land, which is why he gets his ass stomped by Lucci...

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Show me one thing he has done on land that will take out Lucci...

Lucci can just use Kami-E to dodge any of those water arrows
Lucci can use Geppou to get in range to rain down Rankakyu...
Lucci can do far more feats... and Hodi doesn't have the strength to deal any significant damage on land...

Hody would no doubt win in water... But on Land Lucci has far to much versatility
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and don't say his body is too tough for shigan...

Spoiler

if chopper can put a needle in Jimbei

I'm sure the fishmen anatomy can be pierced by Leopard Lucci...

XD ... as they say in politics, I yield back the remainder of my time.. lol